R.I.P MMORPGs... 1999-2004

[2flare]

Well boys, it's been a fun ride... I truly believed it was "possible" to re-experience what MMORPGs were like once: Believable alternate world, exciting,dangerous, huge social commitments, friendships, etc



It is time to accept that there will only be SINGLE PLAYER MULTIPLAYER RPG GAMES.

You will be able to: 1) change class whenever u feel like it

2) Solo to max lvl in 2 weeks

3) And do it without talking with anyone

4) Troll and be rude as much as you wish

5) Maps and arrows to every quest

6) LIVE ACTION, Press meaningless spells constantly


7) Only die if you're afk or u hit a mob higher level than u




..... Welcome to WOWNEXT!

[t0lkien]

No man. There will be a new great game, but it will come from left field (i.e. an unknown/indie).

[Langrisser]

the WAY we play has to change... IE Ocularis / Illumiroom / Omnidirectional treadmills

luckily, that is ALL here... ill just keep playing everquest on the new systems and hopefully they'll port EQ1 to voxels and make seasons change or something, that would blow my load

[Robdukes]

Well we should be able to get the tools to build the eq kunark-velious worlds. They're giving them away with the game but we'd probably need a stand-alone version. Then rework the old character models and there ya go. Would probably take quite some time but then again if enough people work on it..and the system for building the world seemed simple enough! Ya know what, I bet most people here would hate it. Not classic they would scream.

[Clark]

Well boys, it's been a fun ride... I truly believed it was "possible" to re-experience what MMORPGs were like once: Believable alternate world, exciting,dangerous, huge social commitments, friendships, etc



It is time to accept that there will only be SINGLE PLAYER MULTIPLAYER RPG GAMES.

You will be able to: 1) change class whenever u feel like it

2) Solo to max lvl in 2 weeks

3) And do it without talking with anyone

4) Troll and be rude as much as you wish

5) Maps and arrows to every quest

6) LIVE ACTION, Press meaningless spells constantly


7) Only die if you're afk or u hit a mob higher level than u




..... Welcome to WOWNEXT!

Sounds like the last 2 mmo's I've played. Was into them for about three to five weeks then right back to EQ full-time.

[Loli Pops]

Someone's butthurt about EQNext reveal.

[raff01]

Thought EQNEXT has nothing in common to WoW about it. My only concern is regarding instancing which I haven't heard about still.
Truth is what you were expecting was Everquest classic with improved graphics.

[2flare]

It has nothing in common "to WoW" ????



1. Orcs look like WoW orcs

2. Humans look like WoW humans


3. Graphics are cartoonish like WoW


4. Probably solo to max lvl without talking to a single player


5. No need to think while playing, just mash buttons faster (WoW)


6. No time to communicate, ur moving around so much while fighting





Yeah, there's NOTHING like WoW.
A bunch of anti-social players, it's all going to be a coincidence! Absolutely nothing inspired by WoW's culture of "quick, fast, Everyone is a HERO"




I dare you to prove to me that EQnext would be the SAME GAME if WoW had never launched??? ( oops, that would require thinking)

[Tasslehofp99]

Thought EQNEXT has nothing in common to WoW about it. My only concern is regarding instancing which I haven't heard about still.
Truth is what you were expecting was Everquest classic with improved graphics.

Seriously? Those graphics look like they were pulled straight from WoW, I atleast want my MMORPG to look/feel like its a possible alternate world. Why would I want to play with tony the tiger and kung fu panda? lol, im not 8 fucking years old and this shit isn't the golden compass. This was supposed to be EVERQUESTNEXT, not SOMEKNOCKOFFNAMEDEQNEXTINORDERTOMILKPEOPLELIKEYOUF ORMONEYS.


Please tell me in what way this game is related to EQ at all, besides the word being in it's title? Fuck they callin it EQnext for if its nothing like the original?

[twgmot]

There are no levels in EQ Next by the way.

[Vega]

UO came out in '97

[LordSterben]

Why would I want to play with tony the tiger and kung fu panda? lol, im not 8 fucking years old and this shit isn't the golden compass.

Lol. I agree. We have the ability to make realistic models with darker, grittier color palettes. Why don't they?

Edit: corporations don't make arbitrary decisions about things like this. Somewhere along the line it has been tested and proven that more people will want a cartoonish theme. My guess is that parents will be more apt to let their kids play the game if it looks like Nickelodeon made it.

In conclusion, kids ruin everything.

[Crawdad]

UO came out in '97

[liveitup1216]

Can tell the angry people in here read little to nothing about the game so far.

[Supreme]

EQNext is going to be a disappointment for the old EQ players.

Prepare yourselves as i was unprepared...

[Loto]

It has nothing in common "to WoW" ????

I dare you to prove to me that EQnext would be the SAME GAME if WoW had never launched??? ( oops, that would require thinking)

What a broad statement. The MMO genre would not be the same without WoW, as much as it is a convenient game to bring non-hardcore gamers into the MMO world.

Would there have even been an EQNext if WoW hadn't launched? Who knows? How in gods name would i prove to you something that was permanently affected back in 2004? You are silly. Take some more lithium before you blow a fuse.

Might as well give it a try. If I tried Rift for 10 mins, then I'm willing to try what might turn out to be a decent EQ game.

[spatrix87]

Simply put, no game is ever going to have that captivating feel like Everquest 1 did. Everyone says UO was first, which I don't deny, but Everquest 1 was by far the best MMORPG for it's time.

[Cyrano]

Simply put, no game is ever going to have that captivating feel like Everquest 1 did. Everyone says UO was first, which I don't deny, but Everquest 1 was by far the best MMORPG for it's time.

No game is going to have that feeling for YOU. There will be a whole new generation of gamers whose minds are blown by EQNext. You only lose your MMO virginity once.

[Nirgon]

Preach brotha

[Bantam 1]

Someone's butthurt about EQNext reveal.

I'm actually pretty butt hurt.


Waiting forever for this EQ Next thing and find out that its WoW sandbox style.

[LordSterben]

I'm paraphrasing here, but I think the statement was: "My cat shits in a sandbox. Doesn't mean I want to play in it."

[Tazzak]

No game is going to have that feeling for YOU. There will be a whole new generation of gamers whose minds are blown by EQNext. You only lose your MMO virginity once.


...wut? My first MMORPG was WoW, and then in 2011 I went to P99, and I love it...

[heartbrand]

The majority of people who cry about WoW ezmode are prolly same people who wiped their guilds 1000x to heroic raids by not dodging shit or half assing their DPS. Stop pretending like EQ is difficult, the only difficulty in classic EQ is having enough time to no life everything.

[kaev]

I'm paraphrasing here, but I think the statement was: "My cat shits in a sandbox. Doesn't mean I want to play in it."

Sounds like you spent some time playing EVE Online ;)

[Calibix]

The majority of people who cry about WoW ezmode are prolly same people who wiped their guilds 1000x to heroic raids by not dodging shit or half assing their DPS. Stop pretending like EQ is difficult, the only difficulty in classic EQ is having enough time to no life everything.

Yeah, couldn't agree more. EQ was difficult when no one had been playing MMO's for 15 years. Now its so easy, its just a grind fest really. But the diehards will still try to convince everyone else otherwise.

[Zalaerian]

The majority of people who cry about WoW ezmode are prolly same people who wiped their guilds 1000x to heroic raids by not dodging shit or half assing their DPS. Stop pretending like EQ is difficult, the only difficulty in classic EQ is having enough time to no life everything.

One of the few times HB and I agree. People who complain about ez-mode were never part of a good team/guild to raid or PvP with. WoW still blows EQ out of the water in terms of difficult content. WoW still blows EQ out of the water for PvP. I would love to see some of the scrubs in the thread compete at the level of 2200+ arenas TBC era. I would love to see the scrubs posting here be able to hang in Ulduar/ICC hardmodes or AQ40 in its heyday

[Calibix]

One of the few times HB and I agree. People who complain about ez-mode were never part of a good team/guild to raid or PvP with. WoW still blows EQ out of the water in terms of difficult content. WoW still blows EQ out of the water for PvP. I would love to see some of the scrubs in the thread compete at the level of 2200+ arenas TBC era. I would love to see the scrubs posting here be able to hang in Ulduar/ICC hardmodes or AQ40 in its heyday

To busy camping fungi's and what not.

[myriverse]

Well boys, it's been a fun ride...
Quit whining.

[Loudnoises]

Well boys, it's been a fun ride... I truly believed it was "possible" to re-experience what MMORPGs were like once: Believable alternate world, exciting,dangerous, huge social commitments, friendships, etc
http://www.anjelsyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/eve_online_logo-400-400.jpg

First post on this Everquest forum is about Eve Online. I have a problem.

[Infuriati]

It has nothing in common "to WoW" ????



1. Orcs look like WoW orcs

2. Humans look like WoW humans


3. Graphics are cartoonish like WoW


4. Probably solo to max lvl without talking to a single player


5. No need to think while playing, just mash buttons faster (WoW)


6. No time to communicate, ur moving around so much while fighting





Yeah, there's NOTHING like WoW.
A bunch of anti-social players, it's all going to be a coincidence! Absolutely nothing inspired by WoW's culture of "quick, fast, Everyone is a HERO"




I dare you to prove to me that EQnext would be the SAME GAME if WoW had never launched??? ( oops, that would require thinking)

When have graphics ever mattered? you play EQ1 which looks like complete shit imo

[raff01]

Seriously? Those graphics look like they were pulled straight from WoW, I atleast want my MMORPG to look/feel like its a possible alternate world. Why would I want to play with tony the tiger and kung fu panda? lol, im not 8 fucking years old and this shit isn't the golden compass. This was supposed to be EVERQUESTNEXT, not SOMEKNOCKOFFNAMEDEQNEXTINORDERTOMILKPEOPLELIKEYOUF ORMONEYS.


Please tell me in what way this game is related to EQ at all, besides the word being in it's title? Fuck they callin it EQnext for if its nothing like the original?

Apparently all the lore, but I guess it just doesn't interest you and you're obsessed with the image of the lion Kerran reminding you of WoW...

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

SWTOR IS THE FUTURE

And Curt Schilling is gonna deliver a great game

[hatelore]

No game is going to have that feeling for YOU. There will be a whole new generation of gamers whose minds are blown by EQNext. You only lose your MMO virginity once.

This is truth.

/thread

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

no one wants to play a pc based game anymore. something that can be played on mobile devices is the future. why poopsock when you can poopwalk?

[Oppie]

You were truly delusional if you believed that an mmo made in today's day and age would be made exclusively for the hardcore audience who wanted an EQ1 style game. That's a horrible investment for a company nowadays.

I, as much as anyone else on these forums, would love to see a modern day mmo made only for the hardcore players, such as an EQ1 with updated graphics.

Lets face it, that will never happen.. Casuals, run the mmo industry, we have to accept that.

[webrunner5]

All you have to do is look at this server and see that we are a select few people in the whole world that is into "Classic" EQ. What, there is like 2 to 3k people on here tops?? That is not a lot when you figure there are people playing here from all over the globe. :eek:

[Nuggie]

Poopwalk, had a good laugh.

Oppie speaks truth.

[applesauce25r624]

ultima online came out before 1999

[bloodmuffin]

Lets face it, that will never happen.. Casuals, run the mmo industry, we have to stab them.

[Fromp]

I for one would love to build a new game which maintains the core fundamentals this game boasts.

Would be cool if a few members of the P99 community would maybe form a small indie dev team, I for one am a web developer and I've worked on a couple of indie games as a programmer which are soon to be released on steam.

[myriverse]

Anyone who thinks Classic EQ1 had a "look/feel like a possible alternate world" is as blind as a freaking bat (either literally or figurativelly). Classic EQ1 was nothing but cartoony figures in extremely awkward and unnatural poses. People don't look like that. People don't move like that. It didn't prevent me from enjoying it; heck, it probably contributed to why I loved it.

EQN isn't much different.

[raff01]

I see so much whining already, while they only have revealed a few features of the gameplay which is extremely likely to evolve, so let's look at what you crybabies are whining about, which is if I understand right, the "unforgiveness" of EQ1:

- Death xp penalties : We still don't know how death is handled in EQN

- Resurection post death : no info either

- Faction : they did say they were going to have a game where every action of yours counts and has a consequence, I guess a part of that is faction, and so there's a chance you'll be kos to many NPC's depending on what you chose to kill.

- traveling : In EQ1 a huge part of the unforgiveness was traveling which was mostly on foot, and at lower speed than monsters, with no map. It does seem they have given a big importance to traveling on foot judging by the features they introduced such as sliding, special jumps and using powers to move thru obstacles.
Besides, the real "3dimensional" aspect of it with being able to fall underground or end up in caves, having to "dig" thru walls, might add up a feeling of adventure to it.

- Instancing : we already know the outdoors isn't instanced at all. We have yet no information as to instanced dungeons.

Overall, we have no real base to criticize EQN as to wether or not its going to be "unforgiving" and "EQ1 like".
What we do know is that its going to introduce tons of stuff, in fact the good stuff from other MMO's such as public questing, but taking it to another level, destructability, or being able to build all your own stuff and modify the landscape.
EQN seems to want to offer a lot of sandbox tools to the player, which is exactly the opposite of WoW, which is a themepark MMO.

[koros]

I was gonna edit this for contextual grammar, but... this thread already sucks enough so I figure it fits as is.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[2flare]

It's funny that most of you criticize me with sentences such as "you liked EQ? the graphics suck"| or it "wasn't hard at all!" Then I see you posting on a P1999 forum. Essentially, the version of the game that is the MOST HARDCORE MMORPG currently available.
Why? You should be playing GW2/WoW instead?

Wow what a crime I have committed!!!

Like many thousands of players, I have watched the developpers promote "What made EQ great! Was X"(even on their SOE live introduction) then to find out none of it is actually in the new game.

Every single person who has attacked me sounds like a WoW player. Not even a basic minimum of respect. It is necessary to attack me because I am sharing my opinion and you dislike it? No.

[2flare]

Anyone who thinks Classic EQ1 had a "look/feel like a possible alternate world" is as blind as a freaking bat
EQN isn't much different.




Nobody ever said it looked like REAL LIFE. But there are tons of people who wish to relive the glory days where they FELT LIKE it was a genuine alternate reality, it actually felt like you were part of something. This is indisputable.


Why so quick to attack and insult someone? You dislike the comment but you can be an adult about it no?

[2flare]

Quit whining.



I'm sharing my opinion, what are you going to do about it except act tough on the internet? Quit being a coward! We all know you don't act this way in your real life.

[SCB]

Someone's butthurt about EQNext reveal.


qft

[Tycko]

So many good responses in here, Bravo!

[raitheon]

Both sides of this argument are bunk. The game, regardless of its features moves the genre forward. What your grand vision is and what the genre's vision is are different, unfortunately. I too enjoy a hard, unforgiving, Gritty game - sometimes though we are not the demographic the developers are looking at.

If you don't like something, dont buy it. Money talks in the sense that when people don't like what they play they stop playing it and stop paying for it.

Case and point: Warcraft doesn't boast it's 11 million subscriptions (source: http://wow.joystiq.com/tag/wow-subscriber-numbers/ ) this tells me, as a general consumer - that people just aren't buying the same ol' song an dance anymore.

You can't deny that World of Warcraft has changed the genre; either for good or bad. The companies are driven by money - but then again who isn't?

EQNext is a vehicle to hopefully push us into the next generation of gaming. In my opinion every game put out always has that potential. Will it happen? who knows - so far, they've introduced a few things I'm excited about (navigating the world via parkour, destructible environments, no level system) and things I'm terrified about (multi-class system makes it easy to simply solo and not need other players, cartoonish models, the unknown UI system, the perversion of the world/lore just like Everquest Online Adventures with the only thing in common are names)

At this time I believe it's a little early to have all hopes crushed. I think they have a few solid ideas that are going to be great depending on implementation. Once again the best way to tell the developers how you feel is with your dollar.

Once more into the breach dear friends, Donkey punch the night away.

[Anesthia]

I'm actually pretty butt hurt.

Waiting forever for this EQ Next thing and find out that its WoW sandbox style.

With the crafting of mines and forced public questing!

The level of self-infatuation in SOE's presentations is absolutely corny. Gawd I hope EQ Next really is the next Jesus game, but I'll be damned if they don't pull a GW2.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Well boys, it's been a fun ride... I truly believed it was "possible" to re-experience what MMORPGs were like once: Believable alternate world, exciting,dangerous, huge social commitments, friendships, etc



It is time to accept that there will only be SINGLE PLAYER MULTIPLAYER RPG GAMES.

You will be able to: 1) change class whenever u feel like it

2) Solo to max lvl in 2 weeks

3) And do it without talking with anyone

4) Troll and be rude as much as you wish

5) Maps and arrows to every quest

6) LIVE ACTION, Press meaningless spells constantly


7) Only die if you're afk or u hit a mob higher level than u




..... Welcome to WOWNEXT!


Indeed.. What the hell was SoE thinking. Even the last bastions of hope in this battle for decent MMOs has been WoWed out..

[Razdeline]

Give it time and a playable version before you start spewing sewage all over the forums

[radditsu]

The models are made like that to make it easier to render on lower end machines + make it easier to build modular gear sets. When WOW came out it ran great on my machine with lots of characters around banks etc while EQ ran like a converted piece of crap unless i turned off models when raiding. We all remember the EQ2 fiasco when it came to system specs. EQ2 models are not that great at all. To this day Cataclysm runs great but SWTOR runs awful on my machine.

But.....No reason for that kerran to look like simba's homosexual brother. To be voiced by Jeremy Irons in the next film.


I am really concerned about hacking. In two weeks of release swaths of content will be wrecked and Chinese gold farmers will have a stranglehold on most of the "good" land plots. Developers ALWAYS seem to build these MMO's not thinking about consequences of hacking. You would have to have some serious GM tools to fix world issues that this could potentially have.

I also take most of this alpha hype with a grain of salt. See any Fable game for reasons why.

[Rajahten]

It has nothing in common "to WoW" ????



1. Orcs look like WoW orcs

2. Humans look like WoW humans


3. Graphics are cartoonish like WoW


4. Probably solo to max lvl without talking to a single player


5. No need to think while playing, just mash buttons faster (WoW)


6. No time to communicate, ur moving around so much while fighting





Yeah, there's NOTHING like WoW.
A bunch of anti-social players, it's all going to be a coincidence! Absolutely nothing inspired by WoW's culture of "quick, fast, Everyone is a HERO"




I dare you to prove to me that EQnext would be the SAME GAME if WoW had never launched??? ( oops, that would require thinking)

1. WoW orcs and EQNext orcs and all orcs look the same. Just because they're green and are ugly, with huge teeth does not mean that it came from WoW.

WoW orc - http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090804213116/wowwiki/images/1/1e/3D-Orc.png

EQ Next orc - http://www.eqnforum.com/attachments/eqnextconceptartorc-jpg.169/

Well damn, lets just bring up the mother of all RPGs and compare it to that too. D&D Orc. - http://polaqu.wikia.com/wiki/Orc?file=Orc.jpg

None of them look the same, but all of them have similarities.

2. Humans in ALL games look the same. We are, after all, a race with slight differences.

3. Games with cartoonish graphics - There are SO many of them. WoW didn't patent cartoon graphics, and SoE definitely doesn't think they've stolen anything or are being "WoWish". In my opinion, cell shaders and cartoon graphics are the *best* way for things to become more realistic. I think the best game in this subgenre, Zelda - Windwaker, would agree.

I do recall during Blizzcon 2008 or 2009, that Blizzard did a huge thank you to EverQuest and SoE for being the FOUNDING FATHER of all MMOs. They thanked them for all of their ideas and wouldn't be around if not for EQ.

4. You're speculating here with very little to back you up other than a stubborn guess. I seriously doubt this. EQ1 is not like that, EQ2 is not like that, why would the next one be, just because WoW is? Doesn't make sense.

5. No need to think while playing. I am going to go out on a limb here and say something. In a group of 6 people in Sebilis, you are one of several classes that literally sits in the camp spot and waits for the mob to be pulled unless you're the puller. Otherwise, you stand up, hit a button, hit another button.. move a little, hit another button once that spell is done, or when backstab comes up from CD, or when you need to change songs. The one thing that WoW has that is more fun than EQ, is its combat system. Either way, EQ1 or WoW, or any other freakin' MMO - you are mashing buttons, albeit slower than other MMOs, but you are still mashing your hotkey for backstab as a rogue, still mashing bash/yaulp/stun as a paladin, etc etc. Am I wrong?

6. I've been in a ton of groups in EQ1 where people are chain pulling, the healer (myself) is on their toes trying to heal, melee is doing their thing and enchanters are pressed for skill. No one can type, no time to type (even though, we could) and thats the MOST fun in this game is when shit gets real. That is what Ventrillo is for, TeamSpeak, etc. If you're more of a casual player, than your playstyle won't be so time consuming and there will be plenty of time to chat between kills.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/37035_10152683734310162_2069945506_n.jpg

Take a look at that. That's the credits from the EverQuest Trilogy booklet. This was before WoW even came out.

So, by saying SoE was inspired by WoW.. you might want to take a step back and see who took ideas from who.

I honestly think you're accusing SoE of being unoriginal, of stealing WoW concepts when really, every MMO has a base culture as mentioned during the EQN unveil. They are being innovative, and borrowing from many years of ideas which mostly stemmed from EQ. Other companies took these concepts, built upon them, and recycled them into the MMO world for others to use. But it all, in the end, comes back to EQ - the grandfather of it all.

You seem like you've made up your mind and won't enjoy EQNext. Others will. But keep in mind, SoE did not borrow anything from WoW. WoW just took from the cesspool of MMO concepts, just like everyone else is doing.