Bronze

[Hasbinbad]

FUCK BRONZE

Anyone ready to duo some ranked and get the fuck out of bronze with me?
Let's be pals.

[Malphite]

Can i play your account? I've always wanted to play against bronze players.

[Hasbinbad]

lol f u no. i own every champ and at least one skin for the vast majority of them. i's sittin on a goldmine, skin2win.

[Hasbinbad]

but if we ranked, u will still be a smurf..
u should ranked with me and carry me

[Hasbinbad]

I SWEAR, IF I COULD ONLY GET **OUT** of bronze in the first place, I could stay out! :P

[Systolic]

I'm over halfway through Sil 3

To get out of bronze, pick a champ, get good enough with it to win from any position and force it on your team and carry

Fuck playing as if you are on a team. Your teammates are bad and you dont need them

[Malphite]

I own every champ as well on my account, max rune pages, and every rune. I just want to play against bronze players :x

[Swish]

For some LoL laughs at bronze players: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-J3Ohuyec

Also:

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[mreynert]

For some LoL laughs at bronze players: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-J3Ohuyec

Also:

That game...I don't know what I just watched...how?

[Hasbinbad]

oh god the horse race casting bit was hilarious

[Kope]

Has you do realize that the matching system actually works and you are where you should be right? :P. If you can't get out of bronze you aren't thinking of the next steps you need to make for your own LoL progression.

What roles do you play?

[Hasbinbad]

IDK dude i feel like everyone that gets lucky during their first ten matches got out, and a significant portion of people who were unlucky in their first ten are finding it incredibly hard to crawl our way out .. for instance, i just failed a series, where the two games were failed in spite of my efforts, not because of my bad play, and THAT is a common fucking story. 2 out of every 3 games are 3/5 sperglords that fight over mid, and I'd like to play with people who give a shit about tactics..

The first ten matches is a thing in LoL now, look it up.

[Kope]

I know :P I was placed in gold after my first 10, had a couple bad ones but had quite a few good ones. I normally play support or jungle but I played Yorik top in almost every placement match I was in and carried.

Elo hell really isn't what people think it is. Sure you get bad luck of jerkoffs but that happens in every elo, even plat has trolls. You either suck it up and pull yourself out or become a festering toxic player.

You can't blame your team the whole time because that's basically just you projecting your problems on others, look at what's going on and see how YOU can help your team win. It's not a single player game :P.

What roles do you play and if you want what's your username so I can lolking you?

[Hasbinbad]

as far as my roles .. I know them all, probably best at mid>jun>sup. Favorite characters are mid:yi, jun:udyr, top:xz, sup:sona, adc:twitch/ez. Also I do really well with blitz, malph, and shen, so whenever those characters come up I can exploit them.. i'm really not horrible, and can fill a variety of roles and keep it positive ..

..and yet get reported by sperglords for speaking in complete-ish sentences..

so who's the troll? IMHO? Riot.

[Hasbinbad]

hasbeenbad

[Hasbinbad]

i do play quite a bit of support, top tank, and jungle tank tho so pls dont judge my k:d rofl

[Hasbinbad]

wow i didnt know i had a killing spree of 16 once haha

[Hasbinbad]

so if u look at my ranked matches with sona and yi (my top 2) they are nearly even ..

[mreynert]

as far as my roles .. I know them all, probably best at mid>jun>sup. Favorite characters are mid:yi, jun:udyr, top:xz, sup:sona, adc:twitch/ez. Also I do really well with blitz, malph, and shen, so whenever those characters come up I can exploit them.. i'm really not horrible, and can fill a variety of roles and keep it positive ..

..and yet get reported by sperglords for speaking in complete-ish sentences..

so who's the troll? IMHO? Riot.

Do you play that yi mid as AP? If so there might be some of your problem. I'm not saying he's bad that way, he's actually quite good, but AP yi requires your team to be competent to carry effectively in standard play...and in bronze that doesn't happen. If you got good teammates though, he can be scary as shit. Harder to claw your way to victory if team falls apart with him than most. I, personally, find that with Kassadin/Swain/Karthus I can climb my way out of gigantic team deficits on the other hand.

[Kope]

Looks like you really like AP yi :D.

I'm actually quite impressed how much support you play. Item builds are a little different than I'm used to but nothing too bad. I assume you're warding in the correct places and such?

One thing that revolutionized my support play is I actually took a lesson from someone. He gave me a couple pieces of awesome advice and it takes a while to get used to.

Stop what you are doing and ask yourself why you're doing it. "Why am I facechecking this bush with no one close to me." "Why am I warding the river brush when it doesn't give you vision on the gankpath"

In your nonranked games before you do something ask yourself why you're doing something before you do it. If you can't come up with a good reason don't do it.

Ward placement is really important, you can add free ganks on their jungler if you ward in the correct spots (a LOT of people ward in incorrect spots and just waste wards). Wards seriously win games.

When you go into a team battle you must have a plan before you do it, especially if you're the tank and/or if you have CC. STOP their damage dealers from killing yours, communicate with your team on who to kill first, and since you're support/tank a lot make sure you ping attack target on their main damage dealers that tend to go straight for yours.

I dunno if any if this will help you, you'll actually get worse for doing it at the beginning but in the long run it'll help you and you'll see the mistakes you've been making before you make them.

[Hasbinbad]

Do you play that yi mid as AP? If so there might be some of your problem. I'm not saying he's bad that way, he's actually quite good, but AP yi requires your team to be competent to carry effectively in standard play...and in bronze that doesn't happen. If you got good teammates though, he can be scary as shit. Harder to claw your way to victory if team falls apart with him than most. I, personally, find that with Kassadin/Swain/Karthus I can climb my way out of gigantic team deficits on the other hand.
this very exactly describes my situation, although i am almost now able to consistently carry even a bad team with ap yi, as long as i am not shut down immediately, and sometimes even then

[Hasbinbad]

Looks like you really like AP yi :D.

I'm actually quite impressed how much support you play. Item builds are a little different than I'm used to but nothing too bad. I assume you're warding in the correct places and such?

One thing that revolutionized my support play is I actually took a lesson from someone. He gave me a couple pieces of awesome advice and it takes a while to get used to.

Stop what you are doing and ask yourself why you're doing it. "Why am I facechecking this bush with no one close to me." "Why am I warding the river brush when it doesn't give you vision on the gankpath"

In your nonranked games before you do something ask yourself why you're doing something before you do it. If you can't come up with a good reason don't do it.

Ward placement is really important, you can add free ganks on their jungler if you ward in the correct spots (a LOT of people ward in incorrect spots and just waste wards). Wards seriously win games.

When you go into a team battle you must have a plan before you do it, especially if you're the tank and/or if you have CC. STOP their damage dealers from killing yours, communicate with your team on who to kill first, and since you're support/tank a lot make sure you ping attack target on their main damage dealers that tend to go straight for yours.

I dunno if any if this will help you, you'll actually get worse for doing it at the beginning but in the long run it'll help you and you'll see the mistakes you've been making before you make them.
i start with 3 vision wards and 2 regular wards and start my counterwarding and vision game immediately .. i've watched all the videos, have every ward placement on the map memorized with rationales behind why i choose this topside aggressive schema of 3free + 1/2 vision wards versus the other schema for defense on bot side.. i'm way into support .. most underrated role.

BUT ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETELY WASTED IF MY IDIOT TEAM DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE MAP, LET ALONE KNOW HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VISION

Fuck.

[Hasbinbad]

i'm a good lasthitters wet dream

[Hasbinbad]

I dunno if any if this will help you, you'll actually get worse for doing it at the beginning but in the long run it'll help you and you'll see the mistakes you've been making before you make them.
The only thing that you said .. that i still do .. unfailingly .. like a fucking derp .. is facecheck bushes. lol. My support game is advanced at the very least. I keep up with any team as sona or taric. And I say that coz i play with a plat dude in ranked sometimes, so we end up fighting silver/gold teams.

[Hasbinbad]

oh and alistar.. alistar is actually my favorite support, but requires that your adc expects the knockbacks

[mreynert]

this very exactly describes my situation, although i am almost now able to consistently carry even a bad team with ap yi, as long as i am not shut down immediately, and sometimes even then

When you say you're carrying a bad team with Yi, are you getting a good kdr and wiping out a fair number of them over time in an engagement during which they take out 2 towers and an inhib before you can stop them? That's the problem I find with AP Yi, he takes too LONG to do it by himself, not that he can't. By the time you're done your base is dead.

You can have a 25/0/12 KDR but if you take 5-6 minutes to get the kills and they take the base down due to only you being alive, it still won't save ya =P

I've had tons of games like that and they were extremely frustrating, I was literally 25/3/4 or so in some of them. The other team just took too long to whittle alone.

Started playing more aggressive characters after that.

[Samoht]

things people in bronze say:

BUT ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETELY WASTED IF MY IDIOT TEAM DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE MAP, LET ALONE KNOW HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VISION

in reality, if you want to break out of bronze, stop playing selfish roles (AP yi is about as selfish as it comes) and master the role that nobody else wants to play (tanky initiator). you can do this with support or jungle picks like thresh, leona, taric, j4, xin zhao, maokai, zac, and vi. my favourites are actually shyvana and skarner, but they've been underperformers in S3. blitz, amumu, malphite are worth mentioning, but always banned in bronze. udyr and rammus have been making a come back due to power creep. olaf should be viable again, soon.

i have a positive w/l ratio in all of my games where i play the tanky initiator (k/d ratio is meaningless in any context). i lose most of the games where i'm not the tank, though, not because i'm bad at other roles, but because nobody else wants to do it. and then my team yells at me for doing it. gg graves tank. gg indeed. (i love playing ahri as a tank, though. armguard, chalice, stack HP and win.)

this is a team game. quit making selfish decisions (AP yi) to get kills over wins.

oh and alistar.. alistar is actually my favorite support, but requires that your adc expects the knockbacks

alistar doesn't actually have a position any more. he's a lackluster support with less than reliable CC. his jungle time has been buffed and nerfed several times, but it's abysmal in S3. leona does everything alistar can do, but better. also: leona auto, Q, right click combo gives three attacks that can clear wards before you lose the initial vision on them.

[Hasbinbad]

When you say you're carrying a bad team with Yi, are you getting a good kdr and wiping out a fair number of them over time in an engagement during which they take out 2 towers and an inhib before you can stop them? That's the problem I find with AP Yi, he takes too LONG to do it by himself, not that he can't. By the time you're done your base is dead.

You can have a 25/0/12 KDR but if you take 5-6 minutes to get the kills and they take the base down due to only you being alive, it still won't save ya =P

I've had tons of games like that and they were extremely frustrating, I was literally 25/3/4 or so in some of them. The other team just took too long to whittle alone.

Started playing more aggressive characters after that.
nashors passive helps a lot with ap yi sustained damage application

[Malphite]

Play graves, shove your opponent adc into the tower so they can't cs. Frequent harass with aa's and Q's. Never use your E unless you see the gank coming. Level 6 = snowball from hell.

[Hasbinbad]

my ap yi build is somewhat radical:
tear > catalyst > cdr boot > sheen > rod > lichbane > staff > deathcap > nashors
if i am either not doing well or conversely doing very well (off target either way), I get the codex to build nashors early.

early game this build suffers from low damage alphas, but he can sustain them and do them much more often, which is better for a more conservative yet high pressure approach

late game ends up being 800ish ap applying 150ish magic damage to each hit, and the first hit after each cast is +600 magic damage as well. if you don't have mr, and you're not a TANK, i 2-5 shot you 1v1, but most of the time i wait for one person to be low, calling for focus, and then dart in to alpha kill that low person and then work off the resets.. not many can survive 2 800ap alphas, but if u do i hit you for 100ish attack damage + 750 magic damage, and that is usually enough for a third reset .. we're talking quadra and penta here, but i have a harder time pulling that off in ranked than normals

This version of AP yi is getting a buff in the upcoming overhaul, not a nerf. :)

[Hasbinbad]

i'm considering putting the entire rod after sheen, catalyst healing doesnt seem to help much if u rush it

[mreynert]

nashors passive helps a lot with ap yi sustained damage application

It can help some, but you still have no armor pen really, so if they have any defense you hit like a wet noodle, just faster.

[Hasbinbad]

well thats getting consolidated in the new rework, since alpha will be doing physical damage (yet still scaling off ap), you will want AP and apen instead of ap and mpen

[Hasbinbad]

Also, case in point: I got cornswaggled into playing top, so I chose Poppy, because, Poppy, and this is the result:

http://i.imgur.com/cX49Bev.jpg

Keep in mind this is fucking ranked. Note that I am positive, I won top, I defended mid and warded for my jungler. And yet I STILL HAVE THE HIGHEST FARM ON MY TEAM. I am not EVEN criticizing their scores or their other play, which WAS horrible, but just looking at CS ... what in the literal fuck? Even if I wasn't running around doing shit, how the fuck does poppy out last hit her entire team? Keep in mind this is fucking ranked.

[Hasbinbad]

i know i know volibar whatever, but volibar harassed me too. volibar is no excuse for the cs thing.

[Hasbinbad]

thats a vicious poppy build lol, every way you get hit by her you get slowed, and then she can just dash out all HAHA! at 3hp with w and ghost

[mreynert]

Dat Hydra/LB Nasus...

...those builds in general...

/cringe

[Malphite]

my ap yi build is somewhat radical:
tear > catalyst > cdr boot > sheen > rod > lichbane > staff > deathcap > nashors
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This build is the most atrocious thing i have ever seen. HBB, i'm really not trying to flame you, but what in the fuck are you thinking building tear/catalyst? This build could be 85% of why you are in bronze.

Look to start Dorans ring > Kage's pick > Morellos > Spell Pen boots > Dcap > Void. Anything else you build is fluff. Your job is to have cooldown in lanes, for frequent harass, and lower cdr on w. (Morellos is 20% cdr) Then team fight, all you need to do, is get 1 kill and get your reset. Smart cast your q, the slight hesitation of not smart casting can mean everything in a team fight. Tear would take a year to stack, and ROA is just a terrible item for the style of laner yi is

[Knuckle]

Warning, will attempt to sabotage your ranking and drag you into ELO hell :o

[Hasbinbad]

it's a playstyle

[Samoht]

Also, case in point: I got cornswaggled into playing top, so I chose Poppy, because, Poppy, and this is the result:

http://i.imgur.com/cX49Bev.jpg

Keep in mind this is fucking ranked. Note that I am positive, I won top, I defended mid and warded for my jungler. And yet I STILL HAVE THE HIGHEST FARM ON MY TEAM. I am not EVEN criticizing their scores or their other play, which WAS horrible, but just looking at CS ... what in the literal fuck? Even if I wasn't running around doing shit, how the fuck does poppy out last hit her entire team? Keep in mind this is fucking ranked.

who is the support on this team? it's clear why you lost. bot lane had divided CS. you can't blame them for their farm because there were two carries bot.

should have just manned up and went support to win. then you could have warded bot to protect that draven from ganks.

leona or taric would have been good against that comp.

[Hasbinbad]

i used to morello instead of nashor, and i got it very early in build

but i find that the ap% on regular attacks is worth the nashors .. actually tho now that i consider it, i miss the grievous wounds early game, and i always have too much money late game, so im considering going morrel early and sell it for nashors late

[Hasbinbad]

it's clear why you lost.
that wasn't even slightly part of the point of why anything was being said about it, but ok. i know why i lost, because im stuck in fucking bronze, that's fucking why. and idiots dont support right unless they are me, and when i support right, idiots don't take advantage of it.

[Hasbinbad]

the tear turns eventually, staff is pretty late in build .. but with the rod, the staff turns into a 150 ap item...

[Samoht]

that wasn't even slightly part of the point of why anything was being said about it, but ok. i know why i lost, because im stuck in fucking bronze, that's fucking why. and idiots dont support right unless they are me, and when i support right, idiots don't take advantage of it.

that's blind pick shit. don't let it carry over into ranked.

the tear turns eventually, staff is pretty late in build .. but with the rod, the staff turns into a 150 ap item...

your 75 min badster yi is part of the reason why you're stuck in bronze. plan for games to only last 1/3 of that time.

[Kalei1]

B1 here, lego

[onyx13028]

that poppy build....so bad

[Hasbinbad]

lol my yi is finished by 40m

[Samoht]

that poppy build....so bad

is she tank? is she AP? is she AD? who knows?! all of the above!

[Waedawen]

hahahaha fucking bronze elo

>proud about creep score
>120 cs
>double rod fizz
>morgana was actually carrying you the whole time and nobody notices it. fucking ONE HUNDRED LESS GOLD THAN YOU. FROM SUPPORT. WUT R U DOIN.
>dat poppy build


Now on to serious criticism, you're playing Poppy, you don't buy a Frozen Mallet. You don't buy a Rylai's.

Poppy excels with 1) positioning 2) damage and 3) tank stats, in that order. You shouldn't be worried about chasing someone down with some shitty ass "dual slow" build (what the fuck are you doing) but she should be more worried about navigating the fight and pushing key targets into walls while under an ultimate that makes her INVINCIBLE to everyone that ISN'T GETTING PUSHED.

Why don't you have a trinity force? Why? Why don't you have an item that gives movespeed and AD and burst damage and health and manapool? (extremely important on retro champs). Why don't you have Ignite instead of exhaust? Are you afraid of the auto attacker you should be killing / stunning / whatever when you have an invincibility move? Basically the only thing you did right in your item build is your boots.

If you think you "deserve to be out of bronze elo" or some terrible scrub shit like that, this picture makes me want to entirely disagree with you. Not only did you make a shitty item build, if you were as good as you say you are you should be able to absolutely terrorize low elo with Poppy, no matter what shit build you're doing.

[Hasbinbad]

is she tank? is she AP? is she AD? who knows?! all of the above!
do slows not stack? o.O

[Hasbinbad]

also poppy is an ap character for sure if your goal is to do damage, but i bought those items for the health+passives .. in addition to ghost and exhaust .. basically a gimmick with poppy.

[Waedawen]

my ap yi build is somewhat radical:
tear > catalyst >

I want to let you know this is about as far as I got with reading your post about AP yi.
You don't even buy ANY ability power OR magic penetration in the first fucking TWENTY MINUTES OF THE GAME.

[Waedawen]

do slows not stack? o.O

No. No they do not.

Frozen Mallet goes off of Autos and On-Hit abilities. Rylai's works off pretty much every source of AP damage, abilities, etc.

They stack. Multiplicatively.

[Hasbinbad]

you just said 2 different things

[Hasbinbad]

Lol you play poppy in ranked

'nuff said
color me amazed that sperglords populate this thread

[Systolic]

Lol you play poppy in ranked

'nuff said

This is ridiculous. I've improved my lolking score nearly 200 points over the last week and a half playing predominantly Gangplank and apparently he isn't viable either. Your attitude will hamstring you until you change it.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19258932

[Systolic]

Skill matters WAY more in solo queue than champ selection/team comp.

[Swish]

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[Waedawen]

you just said 2 different things

You're a retard if you think items stacking multiplicatively mean they "stack".

It's called 'diminishing returns' for sperglord cretins like you.

[Hasbinbad]

people that think "s3 viability" means _anything_ in bronze: lol.

[Hasbinbad]

lol i didnt see where you said "multiplicatively isnt stacking"

apparently you don't understand multiplicative stacking.

rylai's = 35% slow = 65% enemy move speed = 0.65
fm = 40% slow = 60% enemy move speed = 0.6

0.65 x 0.6 = 0.39 = 39% enemy move speed when i hit with physical and spell

[Hasbinbad]

so, no, it's not 75%, but it is 61% slow, which is far better than either 35 or 40

good job making urself look fucking dumb tho :)

[Daldolma]

wat

[Kagatob]

wat

[mtb tripper]

ladies and gentleman mr conway twitty

[Kagatob]

ladies and gentleman mr conway twitty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJVCjnAolp8

[Hasbinbad]

conway twitty fans should be turned into grey spots

[Kagatob]

People who don't understand the most basic of references should be turned into gray spots.

[mtb tripper]

I have a small penis and no nuts

[freez]

hbb your name is hasbeenbad?

this is slippery from blue (original)


i added you knuckle but i cant seem to add hbb

name is seaweedpimp