A brief history of RMT

[Tiddlywinks]

Hello all, I thought I would stop by and take a second to highlight the insanity that is "the war on RMT", as well as illuminate a little into why it occurs, just how lucrative it has been to those involved, and perhaps we may even chance a quick glimmer into the root of it's existance; human greed. A good starting point would be to gather data and try to figure out what happened on live and why. Below should be a good starting point:

http://www.azzor.com/article/2006/05/general-news/truth-about-ige-and-gold-industry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGE

http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige?currentPage=all

Fast forward a couple of years (2009) and we have P99 developed and opened up to the public. It takes a couple of years for items and plat to accumulate but eventually someone realizes that with a ratio of dollars to plat that is 2.5 to 1000 making money should be fairly trivial. How much money do you have in your P99 bank account? 20k? 100k? 400k? On the current market 500k would be worth roughly $200. If people are duping items valued at $200 by simply creating server lag, roughly how much real money are these individuals making?

This has been going on for 2-3 weeks now, and even if they were duping 1 AoN a day (not likely) for 15 days they would still be on pace to make 6k this month alone. For no more effort than causing the server to lag. Even if they are caught and banned, that money is still in their bank accounts and the damage to the server is done.

How long before the next guy comes along and figures out a better way to do it? Couple days? Couple weeks? It doesn't matter because as long as the current strategy to fight the war on RMT continues, things will not change. It is simply to lucrative not to attempt to exploit and game the system. Where there are buyers, there will always be an entreprenuing individual willing to sell. It's not going away anytime soon.

[Sektor]

Good post.

[phantomz]

ya shits fucked up. GM said on live twitch tv he doesnt care about what happens to the server.

[Sithel1988]

hence wipe

[Systolic]

I know someone who made $6000 in about 2 months RMTing a relatively small amount of money compared to PlatLord. Platlord, given his inventory when his spreadsheet was turned in could have been making 6 digits annually.

[Tiddlywinks]

hence wipe

The best outcome wiping could have on the situation is to setback the RMTers a couple of years, until platinum and item stock is re-built and goods can move liquidly between players*.

RMT is not going anywhere, and people looking to make money off it aren't going to just leave the server alone.

The strategy needs to be rethought.

*Wiping a server every couple of years is not a sustainable plan. Too many people would be alienated from ever playing on the server again, and that appears to be the exact opposite of server staff's plans and ideas.

[Sithel1988]

i have no reasons for knowing anyone who RMTs. whats your reason for knowing a person who made 6k off P99? huh?

[Flamewraith]

I know someone who made $6000 in about 2 months RMTing a relatively small amount of money compared to PlatLord. Platlord, given his inventory when his spreadsheet was turned in could have been making 6 digits annually.

You don't "know" anything. Go the hell away, no one wants to deal with you anymore.

[Vaildez]

I know someone who made $6000 in about 2 months RMTing a relatively small amount of money compared to PlatLord. Platlord, given his inventory when his spreadsheet was turned in could have been making 6 digits annually.

There's just no way there's that much of a market for RMT here...I could see 1k a week tops but how can there be people dumping that much money in with 1k population Max at a time?

[Tiddlywinks]

i have no reasons for knowing anyone who RMTs. whats your reason for knowing a person who made 6k off P99? huh?

I won't speak for Systolic because he seems like a scumbag, but I know people who have made more, admitted to it, and still to this day play on the server.

Often people are not openly RMTing and they hide their intentions until some big event occurs (think IB leaving the server). I think if everything were transparent it would be shocking just how many RMTers you know, game with daily, and consider friends.

That goes for everyone.

[Lojik]

There's just no way there's that much of a market for RMT here...I could see 1k a week tops but how can there be people dumping that much money in with 1k population Max at a time?

I have no idea how but I swear it's some kind of money laundering thing. WW/JP style

[dax]

I just want to play ;/

[Tiddlywinks]

There's just no way there's that much of a market for RMT here...I could see 1k a week tops but how can there be people dumping that much money in with 1k population Max at a time?

High item values.. some items sell for upwards of $200 a piece. I believe there was a time Donals BPs were ~$400.

If anything, I think the enforcement of banning people that RMT has forced up the price of items and thus the plat/cash ratio. The higher the ratio goes, the more lucrative, underground and damaging it becomes.

The harder it gets to buy plat, the more expensive it becomes. The more expensive it becomes the harder people are going to try to make reallife cash out of it. It's a cycle, and part of why I think the approach itself needs to be changed.

Especially if the current approach is leading to the server beeing DoS'd and player connectivity issues. This affects all of us.

[Vaildez]

High item values.. some items sell for upwards of $200 a piece. I believe there was a time Donals BPs were ~$400.

If anything, I think the enforcement of banning people that RMT has forced up the price of items and thus the plat/cash ratio. The higher the ratio goes, the more lucrative, underground and damaging it becomes.

The harder it gets to buy plat, the more expensive it becomes. The more expensive it becomes the harder people are going to try to make reallife cash out of it. It's a cycle, and part of why I think the approach itself needs to be changed.

Especially if the current approach is leading to the server beeing DoS'd and player connectivity issues. This affects all of us.

But how on earth are there consistent buyers of items worth 400!? This is an emulated server!

[Karafa]

Often people are not openly RMTing and they hide their intentions until some big event occurs (think IB leaving the server). I think if everything were transparent it would be shocking just how many RMTers you know, game with daily, and consider friends.

That goes for everyone.

I agree with this.

I'm just wondering what you think could be done differently to police this issue. Continuing to make it harder and more dangerous to complete a sale and subsequently forcing up the price does not seem to be more damaging to me. Ultimately I don't care about Platlords pockets being lined or not. If 10 people are going to purchase platinum for an absurd price versus 100 people buying it cheap then who am I to complain when it essentially does less damage to the servers economy.

[Tiddlywinks]

But how on earth are there consistent buyers of items worth 400!? This is an emulated server!

What do you mean good sir? People buy all sorts of stupid stuff I neither understand or try to make sense out of. $10000 cheeseburgers, $5000 bottles of champagne, private jets, pretty much anything on this list: http://coolmaterial.com/cool-list/24-ridiculously-expensive-everyday-items/

$400 cleric BPs are no different. People value things differently. It doesn't have to make sense to anybody but them.

[Raavak]

WW/JP styleWhat is this?

[Raavak]

If you have money to blow, backpage.com

[Tiddlywinks]

I've already used all the escorts in my area! :(

[Lojik]

What is this?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSh1zL3Zrfj2luDRAF28iocG9t3WOdBQ XchVWVJzd-eGk83jopJ0Q

[Vaildez]

What do you mean good sir? People buy all sorts of stupid stuff I neither understand or try to make sense out of. $10000 cheeseburgers, $5000 bottles of champagne, private jets, pretty much anything on this list: http://coolmaterial.com/cool-list/24-ridiculously-expensive-everyday-items/

$400 cleric BPs are no different. People value things differently. It doesn't have to make sense to anybody but them.

Seriously though... A lot of the hardcore people can't be in jobs that would allow them to afford that kind of thing...LOL. Or maybe I just can't related to that level of pathetic :D

[Lyra]

$400 cleric BPs are no different.

So you paid your banker $.05 to take an extra $500 out of the monopoly bank? Would you even bother playing if that were possible? What if everyone playing knew you paid $.05 to take an extra $500.

This really is the exact same thing. These are GAMES.

If you believe differently, you've been manipulated by a market.

[Tiddlywinks]

With all respect, what the hell are you talking about? That has no relevance to the question that was asked lol.

Edit: are you under the assumption people shouldn't be allowed to spend money on games? I'm really confused with what you're saying.

[Systolic]

When I was RMTing I put down like $400 at once at one point because I had someone who would buy it for more.

Trust me, $6000 isnt impossible to make at all.

[Lyra]

When I was RMTing I put down like $400 at once at one point because I had someone who would buy it for more.

Trust me, $6000 isnt impossible to make at all.

GO AWAY!!!!

You are a psychopath.

[Raavak]

When I was RMTing I put down like $400 at once at one point because I had someone who would buy it for more.

Trust me, $6000 isnt impossible to make at all.Dude, go away.

[Lyra]

Edit: are you under the assumption people shouldn't be allowed to spend money on games? I'm really confused with what you're saying.

Spend money to advance in a game? YES, that is what I'm saying.

[Systolic]

GO AWAY!!!!

You are a psychopath.

If I'm a psychopath, then what does that make Platlord?

[Tiddlywinks]

Dude, go away.

[Systolic]

>makes a thread about how RMT works
>doesn't want the insight of someone who actually has been involved in it

[Raavak]

If I'm a psychopath, then what does that make Platlord?A rich psychopath.

[Tiddlywinks]

Spend money to advance in a game? YES, that is what I'm saying.

You are aware it happens.. and is the reason I created this thread.. right? So that said, how is it any different than any of the other things I listed? lol

[Tiddlywinks]

>makes a thread about how RMT works
>doesn't want the insight of someone who actually has been involved in it

Not true at all, I just don't want your insight. Nobody believes a word you say. Prove something and we may. You've existed on most people's radar for 2 weeks, and in that time all you've done is been shown a proven liar. So we respectfully ask that you go away.

[Bantam 1]

So you paid your banker $.05 to take an extra $500 out of the monopoly bank? Would you even bother playing if that were possible? What if everyone playing knew you paid $.05 to take an extra $500.

This really is the exact same thing. These are GAMES.

If you believe differently, you've been manipulated by a market.

I wonder why no one brings up opportunity cost? I think that's the real reason RMT exists.

So lets say you are starting brand new on the server and you want to have a lot of plat to twink alts and buy expensive items:

1) Time taken to level to 60... its going to take a bit... 3-4 months? Anyone got an average /played to hit 60?
2) Time taken to be able to farm rare items? Being able to get the camp? Join a raid guild and buy items to sell with dkp?

Or you could just buy $200 dollars worth of plat and skip to the end? If you make $30-40 dollars an hour on average.... that honestly seems rather dirty cheap.

See my point? Take morality out of it also.... people do all kinds of jerk wad things in mmorpgs that if we were worried about morality we would not allow.

[Lyra]

So, people do cheat at games.

We played spades regularly with neighbors. My partner and I were quite good, and to make things fair we split our team up and partnered with neighbors. My partner and his new partner were cheating, making hand signals. I caught on and kicked him in the balls from under the table.

I believe your history lesson is encouraging complacency.

I'm going to kick him in the balls every time.

And just because it's my grammar pet peeve: http://www.towson.edu/ows/too.htm

[Tiddlywinks]

If you read this entire thread, the history of RMT and big business and came to the notion that I am somehow encouraging complacency I don't think you can be helped.

I merely suggested that the current tactics are (CLEARLY) not working well. Perhaps it's time to rethink and reanalyze the best method of dealing with the issue.

Being scary and hoping it just goes away isn't working out too well.

[Lyra]

Take morality out of it also.... people do all kinds of jerk wad things in mmorpgs that if we were worried about morality we would not allow.

I'm not even talking morality. I seriously don't understand the point of playing a game if you cheat.

[Widan]

I know it's a hard concept to grasp but some people value their real life time more than money, hence purchasing in game currency to bypass spending a lot of time.

[Lyra]

I know it's a hard concept to grasp but some people value their real life time more than money, hence purchasing in game currency to bypass spending a lot of time.

And here you have it.

Someone willing to pay someone to play a game for them.

[Systolic]

Not true at all, I just don't want your insight. Nobody believes a word you say. Prove something and we may. You've existed on most people's radar for 2 weeks, and in that time all you've done is been shown a proven liar. So we respectfully ask that you go away.

[14:55] <Systolic> Hey
[14:55] <Ephi> hey
[14:55] <Systolic> Do you know the account connected with ****?
[14:55] <Systolic> I can give you the character name that holds all the pp
[14:55] <Systolic> I can also tell you **** main RMT toon
[14:56] <Systolic> (aka ****)
[14:56] <Ephi> This site hasnt been on my radar (yet anyway). Who holds the platinum?
[14:56] <Systolic> I know more RMTers than that
[14:56] <Systolic> I tell you what
[14:56] <Systolic> I can give you a hard link to at LEAST 5 RMT operations
[14:57] <Systolic> But I want my account back
[14:57] <Systolic> And if my word dosnt hold true you ca ban it again
[14:57] <Ephi> LOL. I'm not playing that game man. If you want to help to better the community, then do it. Otherwise, you're wasting my time with this blackmail bullshit.
[14:57] <Systolic> I have nothing left on this server anyway
[14:57] <Systolic> No one even knows Cthulu's characters
[14:57] <Ephi> Then you have nothing left to lose, so why ask for your account back in the first place?
[14:58] <Systolic> Because the stuff I lost was actually entitled to a friend of mine
[14:58] <Systolic> He gave me access to his stuff and I ended up buying an account that was going to be banned
[14:58] <Systolic> So I basically lost all of his stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[15:05] <Ephi> will take some time though
[15:05] <Systolic> ****is ****
[15:05] <Systolic> *****is *****
[15:05] <Systolic> If you give me names of trades I can tell you every single one that they are linked to
[15:05] <Systolic> ALL of them
[15:05] <Systolic> Ive bought from **** but I cant remember the name
[15:06] <Systolic> I know that he camps under a tent by shady swashbuckler
[15:06] <Systolic> Ive traded with ALL of these people
[15:06] <Systolic> I know lots of them through conversationA
[15:06] <Systolic> And I also know that *****is involved in one of them
[15:06] <Systolic> And TMO is using ****to cover up their RMT trade
[15:06] <Ephi> Which one is ***** involved with? And how?
[15:07] <Ephi> actually, dont even tell me which one
[15:07] <Ephi> just how he would be involved
[15:07] <Systolic> He either oversees it or he is doing things to prevent them from being caught
[15:07] <Systolic> I cant tell from my end
[15:07] <Systolic> From what I know
[15:07] <Systolic> But its DEFINITELY one of the two
[15:08] <Systolic> Its been confirmed by so many people its ridiculous
[15:08] <Ephi> That's not very specific though. What kind of information do you have to even point the finger?
[15:08] <Systolic> Im honestly shocked and amazed that he hasnt been caught yet
[15:08] <Systolic> The RMT community is very small
[15:08] <Systolic> And everyone knows each other
[15:09] <Systolic> Platlord is either duping himself or having a GM dupe for him
[15:09] <Systolic> And thats where **** is involved
[15:09] <Systolic> Why do you think PL keeps popping back up?
[15:09] <Ephi> I'm certain theres a dupe involved with platlords things. But I can't narrow it down yet.
[15:09] <Systolic> I HAVE his spreadhseets
[15:10] <Systolic> *****is 100% involved
[15:10] <Ephi> ******doesnt have the power to dupe accounts. actually, no one does
[15:10] <Systolic> Hes not duping accounts
[15:10] <Systolic> thats not how I works
[15:10] <Systolic> *I* know how they are doing it
[15:10] <Ephi> This would be information I'd be interested in
[15:10] <Systolic> They are DDosing the server to force rollbacks
[15:11] <Systolic> After those Fungi staves were sold off of Platlords last set of accounts
[15:11] <Ephi> It's not a rollback though
[15:11] <Systolic> The server was DDoSed and somehow the staves ended up back in his inventory
[15:11] <Ephi> new accounts are created with items and money on them
[15:11] <Ephi> without any trade record
[15:11] <Ephi> i dont doubt theres probably some rollback exploit, possibly related to a ddos, but i dont think thats the main method
[15:12] <Systolic> How many pre nerf staves do you think exist?
[15:12] <Ephi> legitimately? far less than platlord had the first time i wiped him out
[15:12] <Systolic> non legit
[15:12] <Systolic> legit there are like 8
[15:12] <Ephi> tough call. dozens at least
[15:12] <Systolic> Yes
[15:13] <Systolic> I'm telling you
[15:13] <Systolic> The problem is that I cant definitely link anything
[15:13] <Systolic> ****is selling exploits ot GMs
[15:13] <Ephi> Yeah, well, welcome to my world
[15:13] <Systolic> Even rogean said so on that interview
[15:13] <Systolic> I know *****by first andlats name
[15:14] <Systolic> ******
[15:14] <Ephi> Well, we've reached the point of the critical problem
[15:14] <Ephi> without any hard proof, its difficult to take any action
[15:14] <Systolic> But theres all the proof you need in my recent actions
[15:14] <Systolic> Ive given you guys everything
[15:15] <Systolic> TMO paid abyss to write a deathtouch dll using RMT funds
[15:15] <Systolic> That nodelaythrow was designed FOR TMO
[15:15] <Ephi> Everything being some trade history of your characters, maybe or maybe not RMT related (i see some legit trades on there as well)
[15:15] <Systolic> No
[15:15] <Systolic> Trace that dll
[15:15] <Systolic> Find every single person who has used it
[15:15] <Systolic> There are about 6 people in total
[15:15] <Systolic> 2 being *****toons
[15:15] <Systolic> 1 being me
[15:16] <Systolic> And the others being members of TMO
[15:16] <Systolic> Its not until recently that he made that dll public on kenetix
[15:16] <Systolic> Its been around for over a year
[15:16] <Systolic> You have EVERYTHING YOU NEED
[15:16] <Systolic> I will fuckign send you the dll to reverse engineer
[15:16] <Ephi> That would be good, yes
[15:16] <Systolic> I will send you the superhp dlls
[15:17] <Systolic> But Ephi promise me on your word
[15:17] <Systolic> And I am going to copy an dpaste this
[15:17] <Systolic> That you will get rid of EVERYONE involved no matter who you find
[15:17] <Ephi> I get rid of people I can prove are guilty through our policies. If I can't prove it, they stay. Also, I'm just one person, and things take time.
[15:17] <Systolic> See thats not acceptable
[15:17] <Systolic> If people are running that dll they are guilty
[15:18] <Systolic> And that attitude is going to let people slip through the cracks
[15:18] <Ephi> If I can prove they are running it then they are guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> LOL well then let just ban everyone on the server that someone says is guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> i better start typing
[15:18] <Systolic> No
[15:18] <Systolic> Thats not what I mean
[15:18] <Systolic> I'm not trying to be facetious
[15:18] <Systolic> I just KNOW FOR A FACT that shit like that has been covered up in the past already
[15:19] <Ephi> Look, I'm not promising shit. What I can promise you is that if you send me the DLL, it will go directly to Rogean, who will likely inspect it himself. If we can start flagging people using the DLL (can't promise they're being flagged yet) then we can start banning them.
[15:19] <Systolic> He told me that it isnt retroactive
[15:19] <Systolic> And I dont trust him
[15:20] <Ephi> Well he gives me the power I have, so if you dont trust him, then theres no way you can trust me by proxy
[15:20] <Systolic> He made a mockery out of me in front of everyone
[15:20] <Systolic> When I was trying to legitimately help
[15:20] <Systolic> Yeah I know my methods were stupid
[15:20] <Ephi> Well you haven't exactly been presenting a good front. You're playing games with the staff. We don't respond nicely to that.
[15:20] <Systolic> But I had to go to an extreme to get the attention
[15:20] <Systolic> What am I supposed to do when GMs tell me they turn a blind eye to the very stuff that Im trying to stop?
[15:21] <Ephi> Well congrats, you have it now. So present your case and let the chips fall where they may. Do it publicly, do it to nilbog, do it to me, whatever you want. But stop withholding things.
[15:21] <Systolic> One second
[15:21] <Systolic> Im getting the MQ2 compile
[15:22] <Systolic> Its a whole folder
[15:22] <Systolic> Can I send it on aim or something?
[15:22] <Ephi> np
[15:22] <Ephi> email it to *****?
[15:22] <Systolic> ok
[15:24] <Systolic> Emailed
[15:24] <Systolic> I have to go for now
[15:24] <Systolic> But I want to talk to you more later
[15:24] <Ephi> if im here, feel free to ping me. otherwise send me a PM on the forums
[15:24] <Ephi> thanks for sending this
[15:24] <Systolic> o
[15:24] <Systolic> np
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013

Session Start: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013

Session Start: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Time: Tue Jul 16 00:00:00 2013
[13:39] <Ephi> Whats up
[13:39] <Systolic> So I see that *****is still RMTing
[13:39] <Systolic> And I see that ***** is still selling pp
[13:39] <Systolic> What gives?
[13:39] <Ephi> ROFL
[13:40] <Ephi> you are a douchebag man. Seriously, do you think I just sit around all day waiting for someone to give me some info so I can ban players?
[13:40] <Systolic> Isnt that your job?
[13:40] <Ephi> I'm working on it. So fucking relax.
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted info
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted proof
[13:40] <Systolic> I gave it
[13:40] <Ephi> No, I have a full time (60+ hours a week) job. This is a volunteer role.
[13:40] <Systolic> Nothing has happened
[13:40] <Systolic> Also
[13:41] <Systolic> Do you have access to what people buy from vendor NPCs?
[13:41] -> [ephi] PING
[13:41] <Ephi> I think we're done. If you want to try having a serious conversation without throwing me under the bus for not quite working as fast as you'd like, then we can do that. Until then, I have real life work to do.
[13:42] <Systolic> Give it to me then, I'll do all the work
[13:42] <Systolic> Also
[13:42] <Systolic> If you want to find out who all has done the nodelaythrow exploit
[13:42] <Systolic> Check the vendor NPC logs of the NPCs who sell throwing daggers in non-city zones
[13:43] <Systolic> EC
[13:43] <Systolic> Oasis
[13:43] <Systolic> Lavastorm
[13:43] <Systolic> Thats where you will catch the most people because you will find people who have bough over 1000 daggers
[13:43] <Systolic> And usually 1000 daggers lasts for about 10 mobs
[13:43] <Systolic> throwing knives*
Session Time: Wed Jul 17 00:00:00 2013
Session Close: Wed Jul 17 11:34:56 2013

[Raavak]

Paying to get ahead in a video game is the whole reason Zynga exists.

[Vaildez]

I know it's a hard concept to grasp but some people value their real life time more than money, hence purchasing in game currency to bypass spending a lot of time.

I value my real life time much more than money but this is an emulated server for a game from 1999.... I play this for the nostalgia.

[Sithel1988]

if you are not wanting to spend time in a game, why are you fucking playing the game in the first place. you are still gonna raid and shit or make a new char when you hit 60. time is time. whether its spent on a lvl 1 or 60. dam man

[Systolic]

That correspondence is from 2 weeks ago before all the Dupe stuff started coming out.

[Tiddlywinks]

It's not important that you understand why people play the game and buy plat. Maybe they don't want to spend the time to attain the things themselves. Maybe they have a large disposable income and don't care. Maybe they have an EQ-staff collection and need to finish it off by purchasing a Tranquil Staff but just don't play enough to be able to afford it.

Same reason you don't need to understand why someone spends $4.5mil on a private jet.

The point is: it happens, it isn't going away, it's clearly ruining the experience of many players atm, so what's the best way to fix it?

[Tiddlywinks]

And here you have it.

Someone willing to pay someone to play a game for them.

Huh? He's trying to help you understand what is so clearly over your head...

[Bantam 1]

I'm not even talking morality. I seriously don't understand the point of playing a game if you cheat.

A lot of people do see a point. I can't imagine that you're truly ignorant of it. When a wealthy player gifts a new player with 1K; is that cheating too? What if Bob was your friend irl and he gave you 200K to twink out a character? Would you be cheating?

Now if you're someone who would turn down the 1K because you want to make it your own way... then okay you don't get it....but that's not most people.

What about Game Genie? Loads of people (me included) totally loved that thing.


What if you JUST wanted to be that guy geared out in Crushbone soloing legos?
As the OP said.... I think part of the ignorance of WHY it happens is causing the issue on how its dealt with.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

I wouldnt play after a wipe. I dont WANT to spend my time chasing my corpses at level 13 across zones.

I get why people RMT. At the end of the day, what is more valuable? Your time? Or 20 bucks for 10k?

[Systolic]

[14:55] <Systolic> Hey
[14:55] <Ephi> hey
[14:55] <Systolic> Do you know the account connected with ****?
[14:55] <Systolic> I can give you the character name that holds all the pp
[14:55] <Systolic> I can also tell you **** main RMT toon
[14:56] <Systolic> (aka ****)
[14:56] <Ephi> This site hasnt been on my radar (yet anyway). Who holds the platinum?
[14:56] <Systolic> I know more RMTers than that
[14:56] <Systolic> I tell you what
[14:56] <Systolic> I can give you a hard link to at LEAST 5 RMT operations
[14:57] <Systolic> But I want my account back
[14:57] <Systolic> And if my word dosnt hold true you ca ban it again
[14:57] <Ephi> LOL. I'm not playing that game man. If you want to help to better the community, then do it. Otherwise, you're wasting my time with this blackmail bullshit.
[14:57] <Systolic> I have nothing left on this server anyway
[14:57] <Systolic> No one even knows Cthulu's characters
[14:57] <Ephi> Then you have nothing left to lose, so why ask for your account back in the first place?
[14:58] <Systolic> Because the stuff I lost was actually entitled to a friend of mine
[14:58] <Systolic> He gave me access to his stuff and I ended up buying an account that was going to be banned
[14:58] <Systolic> So I basically lost all of his stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[14:58] <Systolic> Its fine
[14:58] <Systolic> whatever
[14:59] <Systolic> Check the trade logs on zipzop
[14:59] <Ephi> Well, that sucks
[14:59] <Ephi> honestly (not being a dick)
[14:59] <Ephi> I can't give you your account back though.
[14:59] <Systolic> why not?
[15:01] <Ephi> Because if I do it for you then there are about 100 other people who will want the same, and 50 others who will bend the rule or call foul play by the GMs. So we just don't do it anymore. Hence why we also come out now and publicly state we don't support account trades. It got too messy.
[15:01] <Systolic> I wont say a word
[15:01] <Systolic> And if I do then re-ban me
[15:01] <Ephi> Yeah, sorry… not going to happen man.
[15:01] <Systolic> Well thats really not a fair way of looking at it
[15:02] <Ephi> Oh trust me, I know it isn't fair at all.
[15:02] <Systolic> Especially since I just gave you every single RMTer on this server on a silver platter
[15:02] <Systolic> including the mods
[15:02] <Ephi> "Every single"
[15:02] <Systolic> Yes
[15:02] <Ephi> except there hasnt been one name, and zero proof
[15:02] <Systolic> Go through the zipzop trade logs
[15:02] <Systolic> Every single platinum exhange was RMT
[15:02] <Systolic> To and from
[15:03] <Systolic> Thats why I didnt mind using the nodelaythrow on that acocunt/character
[15:03] <Systolic> I had used that account for RMT and for practicing the MQ2
[15:03] <Ephi> I mean, it looks like a lot of these are RMT-related just by the appearance. But I need more than trade logs honestly. I need emails or paypal transactions that coincide. IM records.
[15:04] <Systolic> What? Are you serious?
[15:04] <Systolic> Theres nothing linking me to MQ2 with the chtulu account
[15:04] <Systolic> But I was banned for it
[15:04] <Systolic> I just gave you everything you need
[15:05] <Ephi> i'm going to dig into this trade stuff
[15:05] <Ephi> will take some time though
[15:05] <Systolic> ****is ****
[15:05] <Systolic> *****is *****
[15:05] <Systolic> If you give me names of trades I can tell you every single one that they are linked to
[15:05] <Systolic> ALL of them
[15:05] <Systolic> Ive bought from **** but I cant remember the name
[15:06] <Systolic> I know that he camps under a tent by shady swashbuckler
[15:06] <Systolic> Ive traded with ALL of these people
[15:06] <Systolic> I know lots of them through conversationA
[15:06] <Systolic> And I also know that *****is involved in one of them
[15:06] <Systolic> And TMO is using ****to cover up their RMT trade
[15:06] <Ephi> Which one is ***** involved with? And how?
[15:07] <Ephi> actually, dont even tell me which one
[15:07] <Ephi> just how he would be involved
[15:07] <Systolic> He either oversees it or he is doing things to prevent them from being caught
[15:07] <Systolic> I cant tell from my end
[15:07] <Systolic> From what I know
[15:07] <Systolic> But its DEFINITELY one of the two
[15:08] <Systolic> Its been confirmed by so many people its ridiculous
[15:08] <Ephi> That's not very specific though. What kind of information do you have to even point the finger?
[15:08] <Systolic> Im honestly shocked and amazed that he hasnt been caught yet
[15:08] <Systolic> The RMT community is very small
[15:08] <Systolic> And everyone knows each other
[15:09] <Systolic> Platlord is either duping himself or having a GM dupe for him
[15:09] <Systolic> And thats where **** is involved
[15:09] <Systolic> Why do you think PL keeps popping back up?
[15:09] <Ephi> I'm certain theres a dupe involved with platlords things. But I can't narrow it down yet.
[15:09] <Systolic> I HAVE his spreadhseets
[15:10] <Systolic> *****is 100% involved
[15:10] <Ephi> ******doesnt have the power to dupe accounts. actually, no one does
[15:10] <Systolic> Hes not duping accounts
[15:10] <Systolic> thats not how I works
[15:10] <Systolic> *I* know how they are doing it
[15:10] <Ephi> This would be information I'd be interested in
[15:10] <Systolic> They are DDosing the server to force rollbacks
[15:11] <Systolic> After those Fungi staves were sold off of Platlords last set of accounts
[15:11] <Ephi> It's not a rollback though
[15:11] <Systolic> The server was DDoSed and somehow the staves ended up back in his inventory
[15:11] <Ephi> new accounts are created with items and money on them
[15:11] <Ephi> without any trade record
[15:11] <Ephi> i dont doubt theres probably some rollback exploit, possibly related to a ddos, but i dont think thats the main method
[15:12] <Systolic> How many pre nerf staves do you think exist?
[15:12] <Ephi> legitimately? far less than platlord had the first time i wiped him out
[15:12] <Systolic> non legit
[15:12] <Systolic> legit there are like 8
[15:12] <Ephi> tough call. dozens at least
[15:12] <Systolic> Yes
[15:13] <Systolic> I'm telling you
[15:13] <Systolic> The problem is that I cant definitely link anything
[15:13] <Systolic> ****is selling exploits ot GMs
[15:13] <Ephi> Yeah, well, welcome to my world
[15:13] <Systolic> Even rogean said so on that interview
[15:13] <Systolic> I know *****by first andlats name
[15:14] <Systolic> ******
[15:14] <Ephi> Well, we've reached the point of the critical problem
[15:14] <Ephi> without any hard proof, its difficult to take any action
[15:14] <Systolic> But theres all the proof you need in my recent actions
[15:14] <Systolic> Ive given you guys everything
[15:15] <Systolic> TMO paid abyss to write a deathtouch dll using RMT funds
[15:15] <Systolic> That nodelaythrow was designed FOR TMO
[15:15] <Ephi> Everything being some trade history of your characters, maybe or maybe not RMT related (i see some legit trades on there as well)
[15:15] <Systolic> No
[15:15] <Systolic> Trace that dll
[15:15] <Systolic> Find every single person who has used it
[15:15] <Systolic> There are about 6 people in total
[15:15] <Systolic> 2 being *****toons
[15:15] <Systolic> 1 being me
[15:16] <Systolic> And the others being members of TMO
[15:16] <Systolic> Its not until recently that he made that dll public on kenetix
[15:16] <Systolic> Its been around for over a year
[15:16] <Systolic> You have EVERYTHING YOU NEED
[15:16] <Systolic> I will fuckign send you the dll to reverse engineer
[15:16] <Ephi> That would be good, yes
[15:16] <Systolic> I will send you the superhp dlls
[15:17] <Systolic> But Ephi promise me on your word
[15:17] <Systolic> And I am going to copy an dpaste this
[15:17] <Systolic> That you will get rid of EVERYONE involved no matter who you find
[15:17] <Ephi> I get rid of people I can prove are guilty through our policies. If I can't prove it, they stay. Also, I'm just one person, and things take time.
[15:17] <Systolic> See thats not acceptable
[15:17] <Systolic> If people are running that dll they are guilty
[15:18] <Systolic> And that attitude is going to let people slip through the cracks
[15:18] <Ephi> If I can prove they are running it then they are guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> LOL well then let just ban everyone on the server that someone says is guilty
[15:18] <Ephi> i better start typing
[15:18] <Systolic> No
[15:18] <Systolic> Thats not what I mean
[15:18] <Systolic> I'm not trying to be facetious
[15:18] <Systolic> I just KNOW FOR A FACT that shit like that has been covered up in the past already
[15:19] <Ephi> Look, I'm not promising shit. What I can promise you is that if you send me the DLL, it will go directly to Rogean, who will likely inspect it himself. If we can start flagging people using the DLL (can't promise they're being flagged yet) then we can start banning them.
[15:19] <Systolic> He told me that it isnt retroactive
[15:19] <Systolic> And I dont trust him
[15:20] <Ephi> Well he gives me the power I have, so if you dont trust him, then theres no way you can trust me by proxy
[15:20] <Systolic> He made a mockery out of me in front of everyone
[15:20] <Systolic> When I was trying to legitimately help
[15:20] <Systolic> Yeah I know my methods were stupid
[15:20] <Ephi> Well you haven't exactly been presenting a good front. You're playing games with the staff. We don't respond nicely to that.
[15:20] <Systolic> But I had to go to an extreme to get the attention
[15:20] <Systolic> What am I supposed to do when GMs tell me they turn a blind eye to the very stuff that Im trying to stop?
[15:21] <Ephi> Well congrats, you have it now. So present your case and let the chips fall where they may. Do it publicly, do it to nilbog, do it to me, whatever you want. But stop withholding things.
[15:21] <Systolic> One second
[15:21] <Systolic> Im getting the MQ2 compile
[15:22] <Systolic> Its a whole folder
[15:22] <Systolic> Can I send it on aim or something?
[15:22] <Ephi> np
[15:22] <Ephi> email it to *****?
[15:22] <Systolic> ok
[15:24] <Systolic> Emailed
[15:24] <Systolic> I have to go for now
[15:24] <Systolic> But I want to talk to you more later
[15:24] <Ephi> if im here, feel free to ping me. otherwise send me a PM on the forums
[15:24] <Ephi> thanks for sending this
[15:24] <Systolic> o
[15:24] <Systolic> np
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013

Session Start: Mon Jul 15 21:43:38 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Close: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013

Session Start: Mon Jul 15 23:53:23 2013
Session Ident: Ephi
Session Time: Tue Jul 16 00:00:00 2013
[13:39] <Ephi> Whats up
[13:39] <Systolic> So I see that *****is still RMTing
[13:39] <Systolic> And I see that ***** is still selling pp
[13:39] <Systolic> What gives?
[13:39] <Ephi> ROFL
[13:40] <Ephi> you are a douchebag man. Seriously, do you think I just sit around all day waiting for someone to give me some info so I can ban players?
[13:40] <Systolic> Isnt that your job?
[13:40] <Ephi> I'm working on it. So fucking relax.
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted info
[13:40] <Systolic> Everyone wanted proof
[13:40] <Systolic> I gave it
[13:40] <Ephi> No, I have a full time (60+ hours a week) job. This is a volunteer role.
[13:40] <Systolic> Nothing has happened
[13:40] <Systolic> Also
[13:41] <Systolic> Do you have access to what people buy from vendor NPCs?
[13:41] -> [ephi] PING
[13:41] <Ephi> I think we're done. If you want to try having a serious conversation without throwing me under the bus for not quite working as fast as you'd like, then we can do that. Until then, I have real life work to do.
[13:42] <Systolic> Give it to me then, I'll do all the work
[13:42] <Systolic> Also
[13:42] <Systolic> If you want to find out who all has done the nodelaythrow exploit
[13:42] <Systolic> Check the vendor NPC logs of the NPCs who sell throwing daggers in non-city zones
[13:43] <Systolic> EC
[13:43] <Systolic> Oasis
[13:43] <Systolic> Lavastorm
[13:43] <Systolic> Thats where you will catch the most people because you will find people who have bough over 1000 daggers
[13:43] <Systolic> And usually 1000 daggers lasts for about 10 mobs
[13:43] <Systolic> throwing knives*
Session Time: Wed Jul 17 00:00:00 2013
Session Close: Wed Jul 17 11:34:56 2013

I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

[Bantam 1]

I wouldnt play after a wipe. I dont WANT to spend my time chasing my corpses at level 13 across zones.

I get why people RMT. At the end of the day, what is more valuable? Your time? Or 20 bucks for 10k?

Bingo...

PS - Systolic shut up man... even in your *proof* you come off as the kind of guy that ***needs*** the ever living hell beaten out of him irl.

[Breeziyo]

>makes a thread about how RMT works
>doesn't want the insight of someone who actually has been involved in it

i bet you frequent /r9k/

I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

it didn't. we did.

still don't care.

[Widan]

I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

shut the fuck up. youve posted the same logs in multiple threads. we still dont care

[Systolic]

shut the fuck up. youve posted the same logs in multiple threads. we still dont care

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg

[Tiddlywinks]

I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

I read it. It sounds like you gave Ephi information and got made that he had not banned people 1-day later. This was 10 days ago. What has come of it?

Give us names!

P.S. Ephi sounds pretty friendly and reasonable, and you sperged out on him. Not exactly a good mark on your personality resume.

[Kiwaukee]

I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

Your giant ass copy and paste didn't get missed. 75% of the people in this thread have you on ignore. No one gives a shit what you say, because you're an attention whore who has proven that all you want is your shitty little account unbanned.

[15:13] <Systolic> The problem is that I cant definitely link anything

This is all that we see, and it's all that matters. Shut the fuck up and go away.

[Sithel1988]

if you dont like chasing your corpses you can go play WoW

[August]

If you don't understand RMT you have too much free time, honestly.

As a 15 year old kid I caught onto play buying/selling and acct buying/selling on Live. The market for platinum was so fluid that if you had a Legends server account you could buy plat on one server, switch it to a new account, and sell back to major plat buyers to make a couple cents on the dollar. Actually use PA and you're making 10-30%.

When I played WoW after I got my first job (hence no more time) I paid a company 100 bucks to level a priest to 60 for me on a new server. I wanted to play a priest, didn't have the time to level it myself, and the 100 bucks equated to 2 hours of my work life. Is it worth 2 hours to be able to play a character with my friends? Absolutely.

You can twist it pretty easily to not be 'cheating'. It is no different from micro-transactions (pay to win) and even the RMT AH in D3 (which sucked btw).

When it comes down to it you have a bunch of people in their late 20s and early 30s through 40s that play on this server that played EQ back in its classic era. You can bet there are atleast a couple hundred of people here who have well paying jobs. You can also bet there are at least a couple hundred people here that want to play a top level toon, or a well-geared toon, but don't have enough consecutive hours to do the grind. It took me like 5 months to get my enchanter to 60. I enjoy leveling, however, and not the end game - so there was no draw for pay-to-win for me. If I had been motivated by killing Trakonan, then I can totally see a world where I purchase PP.

honestly the only thing these guys need to really worry about is paying taxes. They ARE making money so they better report their ill-gotten gains to the IRS.

The answer to this problem is technological. Like the war on drugs, you can't stop a service that people want. People who play here obviously want the ability to buy PP. The problem now is that it's being duplicated and illegitimately gotten. This is a technical issue that needs to be addressed by the staff.

Telling people 'stop RMT'ing' won't fix the issue. Trying to shut them down won't fix the issue. Fix server stability issues (the dupe), implement a better detection method (I can help with this, if you like).

So far I haven't seen too much of an official response. To be honest last night was the third night in a row that me and my wife logged on only to log off 20 minutes later because of deaths due to lag. I won't be spending much more time here.

[Systolic]

This is all that we see, and it's all that matters. Shut the fuck up and go away.

This was only with regard to one allegation. I have the GMs lots of hard proof, as the conversation says if you read the whole thing,

[Lyra]

I won't be spending much more time here.

Maybe you can play monopoly. Be sure to bring a bag full of nickels!

[Bantam 1]

Maybe you can play monopoly. Be sure to bring a bag full of nickels!

If monopoly took months to play and had high levels perma camping boardwalk and park place....

I'd bring a bag of nickels.

[Breeziyo]

I gave the GMs lots of hard proof, as the conversation says if you read the whole thing,

you didn't though

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

Maybe you can play monopoly. Be sure to bring a bag full of nickels!

god please SHUT THE FUCK UP

[myriverse]

10kpp: $20.
The time spent grinding for that 10kpp: Priceless.

But generally, I think the low and mid-level game is much more satisfying. I've yet to play a game where the high-level or end-game was very enjoyable to me.

But I can completely understand RMTers.

Hmm... Sandbox MMOnolpoly... with swords...

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

Paying 1$ per 1k, priceless

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

if you dont like chasing your corpses you can go play WoW

what a fag. I bet you die all the time

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

There's just no way there's that much of a market for RMT here...I could see 1k a week tops but how can there be people dumping that much money in with 1k population Max at a time?

Some retards have spent 1k in a day, you are mistaken.

[myriverse]

Paying 1$ per 1k, priceless
Something is not "priceless" when you can repeat it constantly.

Or ya know... put a price on it.

[Bohab]

If you don't understand RMT you have too much free time, honestly.

As a 15 year old kid I caught onto play buying/selling and acct buying/selling on Live. The market for platinum was so fluid that if you had a Legends server account you could buy plat on one server, switch it to a new account, and sell back to major plat buyers to make a couple cents on the dollar. Actually use PA and you're making 10-30%.

When I played WoW after I got my first job (hence no more time) I paid a company 100 bucks to level a priest to 60 for me on a new server. I wanted to play a priest, didn't have the time to level it myself, and the 100 bucks equated to 2 hours of my work life. Is it worth 2 hours to be able to play a character with my friends? Absolutely.

You can twist it pretty easily to not be 'cheating'. It is no different from micro-transactions (pay to win) and even the RMT AH in D3 (which sucked btw).

When it comes down to it you have a bunch of people in their late 20s and early 30s through 40s that play on this server that played EQ back in its classic era. You can bet there are atleast a couple hundred of people here who have well paying jobs. You can also bet there are at least a couple hundred people here that want to play a top level toon, or a well-geared toon, but don't have enough consecutive hours to do the grind. It took me like 5 months to get my enchanter to 60. I enjoy leveling, however, and not the end game - so there was no draw for pay-to-win for me. If I had been motivated by killing Trakonan, then I can totally see a world where I purchase PP.

honestly the only thing these guys need to really worry about is paying taxes. They ARE making money so they better report their ill-gotten gains to the IRS.

The answer to this problem is technological. Like the war on drugs, you can't stop a service that people want. People who play here obviously want the ability to buy PP. The problem now is that it's being duplicated and illegitimately gotten. This is a technical issue that needs to be addressed by the staff.

Telling people 'stop RMT'ing' won't fix the issue. Trying to shut them down won't fix the issue. Fix server stability issues (the dupe), implement a better detection method (I can help with this, if you like).

So far I haven't seen too much of an official response. To be honest last night was the third night in a row that me and my wife logged on only to log off 20 minutes later because of deaths due to lag. I won't be spending much more time here.

RMT puts the server at legal risk. The rest of us just want to play a video game we enjoy.

[Breeziyo]

RMT puts the server at legal risk.

p sure sirken said that's not true.

[Raavak]

Probably not any more than it already is. But Sony doesn't seem to care.

[Sithel1988]

SOE is making EQNext with the profits from RMT on P99 :D

[citizen1080]

But how on earth are there consistent buyers of items worth 400!? This is an emulated server!

When I was active on Bob I would get 6-7 RMT requests a week. I just got one today. There is a huge market for this.

[Systolic]

The value is in the currency

The monetary value of the items is a byproduct of the value of the currency. Its just RL. gas is $3.50 a gallon. Take the dollar out of it and what is gas worth? who knows.

[thufir]

wall of text

That Systolic really thinks this "proves" anything explains a lot. The whole chat log is his usual MO of throwing around accusations and thinking that his word means something.

As for everyone who wants him to go away the best way to do that is to stop addressing him. He is doing it for attention and to disrupt. This isn't real life so punching him in the face to get him to stop isn't an option. The next best option is to completely ignore. Every time he gets 5 replies telling him to stfu it just feeds his needs.

[Systolic]

You may think that thats so, but you obviously didn't read the chat, and you also aren't seeing the fact that things are changing because of what I did.

I don't care if you like me or approve of my methods or not. When the dust settles this server will be all the better for the way I went about it.

[fastboy21]

Its a free server. Even if it goes to shit, you aren't paying to play here. Move along if you think the server is fucked up...or suck it up and enjoy the game.

Personally, it doesn't bother me all that much if AoN gets duped, newbies buy FBSSs, and the entire economy goes to shit. Don't get me wrong...if there were a magic switch that could be flipped to prevent RMT I would be all for hitting it. There is no such solution.

I'm here to enjoy the game as much as is possible. Not to slam my head against an immovable wall of RMT interested players.

[LordSterben]

[15:05] <Systolic> If you give me names of trades I can tell you every single one that they are linked to
[15:05] <Systolic> ALL of them
[15:05] <Systolic> Ive bought from **** but I cant remember the name
[15:06] <Systolic> I know that he camps under a tent by shady swashbuckler
[15:06] <Systolic> Ive traded with ALL of these people


I had to lol when I read this. I can just picture the GMs seeing this bit of critical information and saying, "YES! Now we have you, you sumbitch!"

[phantomz]

Does not matter what someone else is doing.
A rat is a rat.
Trying to rat on people for his own gains how did he know about these 5 operations if he was not involved some way in them he was having talking relations with these people, RATTING OUT HIS OWN FRIENDS FOR HIS PERSONAL GAIN.
WHY would he know so much about RMT?
His account obviously got banned for a reason.
Systolic is a rat.


I think this got missed. Everyone needs to read this.

[Systolic]

maybe but the only people I havent betrayed have been the members of the p99 community.

they'll probably never see it that way, but its the truth.

[starguitar33]

Systolic= Dark Knight?
not the hero we want, but the hero we need? lol

[phantomz]

you just tried to make a huge deal out of it instead of talking to the GM's in private and pretty much actually ruined the server ever sense you came around no one talks about anything besides hacking and duping and ddos attacks every second.

[renordw]

Wipe this shit. Us newcomers have no chance at end game.

[Bantam 1]

Well we have Systolic's name.. and skype.... we could do some mean things. Maybe get his info on craigslist ?

[lecompte]

Wipe this shit. Us newcomers have no chance at end game.

False. Halmir started in March (4 months ago) and has best in slot everything on his cleric except for VP gear... which may not have best in slot anything for clerics.

[Systolic]

Well we have Systolic's name.. and skype.... we could do some mean things. Maybe get his info on craigslist ?

This is out of line. I mean go for it, but just posting this is likely to get you banned.

[kaev]

I wouldnt play after a wipe. I dont WANT to spend my time chasing my corpses at level 13 across zones.

I get why people RMT. At the end of the day, what is more valuable? Your time? Or 20 bucks for 10k?

There's a pretty ginormous elephant in the room with you there. It's an unhappy elephant, sad and lonely despite that it wants only to entertain you. Still, it's pretty hilarious the way you are oblivious to it.


@Lyra:

Those who measure their fun based on the level of their toon and the pixels s/he wears dominate every MMO community I've ever seen. It's kind of strange, and it makes the low-/mid-level areas into deserts rushed thru as quickly as possible by PLers and other twinks (I've twinked my alts also, as there's hardly anybody to group with who isn't heavily twinked, no RMT for me because pp & twink gear are easily obtained while playing the game thus RMT == spending RL$ to avoid having fun.)

Sadly, many here are completely blind to everything except TheEndGame[tm], as many are in every other MMO. Those pitiable blind ones are the RMT buyers. Might as well pity them, btw, no point in being angry at them over their handicap. It's ok to laugh at them when they rage over being banned, that (the rage) is just willful stupidity and deserves laughter.

[Champion_Standing]

There's just no way there's that much of a market for RMT here...I could see 1k a week tops but how can there be people dumping that much money in with 1k population Max at a time?

Even making a grand a week would require an absurd amount of time invested to maintain that much inventory. I would have a hard time believing that single person could even pull it off.

Anyone who is pulling in thousands of dollars a month is either exploiting, or has a large team backing them up.


On another note, RMT has existed here since the server began. I remember being offered real cash to PL or for items when the server was a couple months old, at that point I didn't think much of it...never took the offers and never reported them either.

[Systolic]

Its nowhere near as hard as you all think. Really, it isn't.

[Champion_Standing]

Its nowhere near as hard as you all think. Really, it isn't.

You are a proven liar, nobody gives a fuck what you have to say. Your big exposé was a few screen shots of a glitched naggy kill and a MQ2 demonstration in EC.

[Hawala]

RMT is the second oldest profession in the world, after prostitution. Or maybe it is actually just a form of prostitution.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

False. Halmir started in March (4 months ago) and has best in slot everything on his cleric except for VP gear... which may not have best in slot anything for clerics.

I would add to this, the solution "is as it ever was" : a good guild.

Everquest is not a good "lobby" type game. That will do for just putzing around (like me) but a good guild can get shit done. Or, an alliance of guilds, like we had on Quellious quite commonly.

I want to lay this issue at the feet of people's willingness to actually do the guild thing. A good guild gets shit done. And there is a lot of stuff outside these poopsock contestations.

[Systolic]

You are a proven liar, nobody gives a fuck what you have to say. Your big exposé was a few screen shots of a glitched naggy kill and a MQ2 demonstration in EC.


someone reads threads, I can see

[raitheon]

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What is this? Sparta?