Soulfire

[Tiggles]

Currently Soulfire is being used to trivialize content in the same vein as Ivandyrs hoop. 5 charges of complete heal is allowing groups of 10 players to Kill Trakanon much less then what was require the kill him using Ivandyrs Hoops.

Soulfires give more charges of a better spell and is easily re-quested for recharges.

This current trend of soulfiring down mobs is growing and some guilds are making it a requirement to have one at all times.

While Soulfires are classic, killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not.

If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones.

Included is a link to Rogeans post talking about the Ivandyrs hoop Nerf and how it interferes with the raid scene.





Ivandyr's Hoop
This item has caused an inbalance in the raid game, and as such we have made some changes. In addition to a global resist increase to all lifetap spells, Ivandyr's Hoop has had it's rarity slightly increased, it has had it's merchant value removed (it can not be sold or recharged to merchants), and it will be disabled in Veeshan's Peak. We will evaluate if further changes need to be made.




Thank you

[Tasslehofp99]

Killing a dragon with 21 people? That shits classic bro, on my live server we never had over 30 people to kill anything (even into velious.) I think the soulfire is working as intended (I'm pretty sure) the only problem is the faction for the quest deffinetly should be ALOT harder to get. But I think that was addressed in the last update.

[Shinko]

Tmo is just sour about getting out played by "the dead guild" stop being a poor loser.

"If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones."
the dumbest thing i have heard all day tiggles

[Tiggles]

Killing a dragon with 21 people? That shits classic bro, on my live server we never had over 30 people to kill anything (even into velious.) I think the soulfire is working as intended (I'm pretty sure) the only problem is the faction for the quest deffinetly should be ALOT harder to get. But I think that was addressed in the last update.

http://i.imgur.com/6y8Xb9t.jpg

Tmo is just sour about getting out played by "the dead guild" stop being a poor loser.

"If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones."
the dumbest thing i have heard all day tiggles

http://i.imgur.com/zsbKAwm.jpg

[pasi]

A lot of key differences between the two

1) Hoop Clicks kill mobs, SoulFires do not kill mobs.
2) Rechargeable versus Non-rechargeable.
3) Entry Rate - at maximum, you can get 1 SoulFire per 8 hours.

It's the 'classic mechanics' versus 'classic feeling' issue that we run into a bunch.

This one seems fine as is though. Velious (sans AoW) will probably be cleared in 24 hours with or without this change - what you guys were killing in VP before the patch hit harder than all but a few mobs in Velious.

[Ele]

wtf this is stupid, denied, go back to RNF

[Frieza_Prexus]

wtf this is stupid, denied, go back to RNF

Soulfire confirmed classic. No change.

[Tasslehofp99]

Soulfire confirmed classic. No change.

Lucan bout to need FTE shout, lol.

[Versus]

I saw 20+ FE @ Trak engage if FE wants my log! Grats on the kill, don't let your head swell over 1 out of 20 Traks fellas! Keep grinding!

[nilbog]

This is not a bug.

Moved to server chat, because it's not RNF yet.

[Freakish]

I want logs for dkp, ours are bad and were taken when we engaged.

[Samoht]

i agree with tiggles on this, soulfire needs to be changed to paladin only for the click

anybody using charges is ridiculous and not in spirit of classic EQ

[Apeople]

qqqqqqqqqqqqqq less pew pew more anyone can get a soulfire.

[Raavak]

One could argue that Soulfire should be a paladin-only quest and that it was an uncorrected oversight to allow other classes to do the quest as well as click it from inventory.

One could also argue that using multiple Soulfire's is trivializing raid content by basically removing the necessity of enough healers... since every class heals.

One could also argue that other classes doing any quests meant for other classes is somewhat of a perversion of the spirit of the game as a whole. Soulfires or Epic MQ's or w.e

Or one could argue that it is Classic.

[Tasslehofp99]

We had 21-23 people there, and suffered 1-2 deaths. I highly doubt that soulfires are the reason trakanon died, just saying! It doesn't require over 24 people to kill trak with ease, he is a pretty easy dragon to kill if your raid force is prepared.

[Ele]

Soulfire is a key item in Test of Tactics. Do not nerf, would not be classic.

[Tasslehofp99]

Also -- the soulfire was always questable by non-paladins on live but it was a lot harder to build up faction for non-paladins if I remember correctly. Maybe that was just due to the fact that every quest or mob that you can do/kill for faction is listed on the wiki or in other spots on the interwebz.

[Versus]

I want logs for dkp, ours are bad and were taken when we engaged.

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[Freakish]

Thanks!

[Massive Marc]

TMO loses Trak, asks for Soulfire to be nerfed.

Shocking...

[Tecmos Deception]

Culprit rockin 4k dps. That's pretty pro!

[Ele]

TMO loses Trak, asks for Soulfire to be nerfed.

Shocking...

Just Tiggles. Must hurt his viewership on Twitch.

[heartbrand]

This thread would kill me on Red I go through 100 soulfires a year ez

[sulpher01]

So funny :D

[Frieza_Prexus]

TMO loses Trak, asks for Soulfire to be nerfed.

Shocking...

My count is 2-1 against so far.

It's classic; FoH blew multiple Soulfires on their first AoW kill.

[Mazster]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_sport

Sore loser behavior includes blaming others for the loss, not accepting responsibility for personal actions that contributed to the defeat, reacting to the loss in an immature or improper fashion, making excuses for the defeat, citing unfavorable conditions or other petty issues as reasons for the defeat, and drinking study-aid.

[Stinkum]

Make Lucan back to a once a week spawn just for the lolz.

[Freakish]

Shit, I have a couple lucan pieces banked. Do it.
WTS Soulfires 100k

[quido]

Using Soulfires like this is pathetic but legit enough I guess

[Massive Marc]

I'm sure every TMO member that was sitting on that ledge also had a SoulFire cocked and ready...

[Samoht]

One could argue that Soulfire should be a paladin-only quest and that it was an uncorrected oversight to allow other classes to do the quest as well as click it from inventory.

One could also argue that using multiple Soulfire's is trivializing raid content by basically removing the necessity of enough healers... since every class heals.

One could also argue that other classes doing any quests meant for other classes is somewhat of a perversion of the spirit of the game as a whole. Soulfires or Epic MQ's or w.e

Or one could argue that it is Classic.

wouldn't be the first time things were changed because of the first three conditions.

prolly wouldn't be the last.

[Lagaidh]

As a paladin, I /who every time I see the global "Congrats SoulFire!"

Hasn't been a paladin in quite a while...

[Alarti0001]

I'm sure every TMO member that was sitting on that ledge also had a SoulFire cocked and ready...

How sure?

Personally, I like watching FE use Soulfires. It makes me chuckle.

[Stinkum]

Whats the respawn time on Brother Hayle?

[Tiggles]

This is not a bug.

Moved to server chat, because it's not RNF yet.

...yet

Also Nilbog How can I get you to come onto my stream for an interview.

Rogean Sirken and Ephi all have I'd like to hear from the big dog himself.

[Freakish]

30 minutes on Brother Hayle or something like that.
Stop using AoN. It's NEC WIZ ENC MAG, not ALL/ALL.

[Bantam 1]

Currently Soulfire is being used to trivialize content in the same vein as Ivandyrs hoop. 5 charges of complete heal is allowing groups of 10 players to Kill Trakanon much less then what was require the kill him using Ivandyrs Hoops.

Soulfires give more charges of a better spell and is easily re-quested for recharges.

This current trend of soulfiring down mobs is growing and some guilds are making it a requirement to have one at all times.

While Soulfires are classic, killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not.

If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones.

Included is a link to Rogeans post talking about the Ivandyrs hoop Nerf and how it interferes with the raid scene.




Thank you




Tiggles - what about major guilds doing the same with Donal's BPs?

You could say one is more rare and expensive..... but that doesn't really fly when a guild has a lot of them.... if you want the soulfire nerfed then the donal's bp should be also.


What do you say?

[Shinko]

i told you stay off our fucking website tiggles.

[kotton05]

It's funny seeing rogues die.
Time to get your soul fire for those times you can't sneak anymore.

[Frieza_Prexus]

You could say one is more rare and expensive..... but that doesn't really fly when a guild has a lot of them.... if you want the soulfire nerfed then the donal's bp should be also.

What do you say?

His contention is that the charges can be triggered instantly which allows a class composition to accomplish certain things that would otherwise be impossible. The BP isn't quite the same in that it still requires 20 seconds to use, is cleric only, and that it cannot be used to save a small raid that might otherwise fail. Soulfire healing is far more proliferative and effective under the circumstances he's citing.

That said, SF is classic and should not be nerfed, but the BP will be nerfed because it's classic and simultaneously game-breaking on Velious content.

[kotton05]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_sport

Sore loser behavior includes blaming others for the loss, not accepting responsibility for personal actions that contributed to the defeat, reacting to the loss in an immature or improper fashion, making excuses for the defeat, citing unfavorable conditions or other petty issues as reasons for the defeat, and drinking study-aid.

[danceparty]

dammit i was not afk! lolz

[Nirgon]

It's funny seeing rogues die.
Time to get your soul fire for those times you can't sneak anymore.

Time to learn the "sometimes, always, never" of mobs that see through sneak.

You know.

Like learn to play a classic rogue.

Oh the agony.

[Tiggles]

Tiggles - what about major guilds doing the same with Donal's BPs?

You could say one is more rare and expensive..... but that doesn't really fly when a guild has a lot of them.... if you want the soulfire nerfed then the donal's bp should be also.


What do you say?

sounds good to me!

[Tiggles]

i told you stay off our fucking website tiggles.

you scared me for a second.

[kotton05]

I love this new patch so much!!!!!!

[Briscoe]

Whats the respawn time on Brother Hayle?

20ish minutes.

[Kender]

As a paladin, I /who every time I see the global "Congrats SoulFire!"

Hasn't been a paladin in quite a while...

i got one yesterday for my pally 8)

[webrunner5]

i got one yesterday for my pally 8)

Classic lol. :eek: Grats.

[Tasslehofp99]

Are you going to argue reaper of the dead should be nerfed next? Give me a break with this tiggles, you say on your stream that TMO welcomes competition yet everytime we kill a mob your instantly crying and talking trash.

I highly doubt a couple (literally) of charges from a soulfire swayed the fight for FE at this trak fight, but if it did and its decided that soulfire is to be nerfed there's other instaclick CH items that are 100% classic like reaper of the dead that we can quest easy just as well.


My suggestion would be to eat crow and try your luck next spawn, TMO has severe advantages across the board, so I'm sure you guys are capable of locking trak down again. Your precious guild bank will be ok without this one trak kill. I mean, you guys love competition right? Or is that just another deflection method greedy pigs use when people confront them for their greedy actions?

[Zapatos]

This is pretty cool, does it mean FE has set the p99 record for least # of players defeating trak?

15 members logged in dkp from the screeny tiggles stole, 20 from the /who log that was posted, what was the actual number? Were any of those just members in the zone and not at the dragon? Either way, that deserves a round of applause!

[Freakish]

There was between 19-21 people engaged on Trak this fight. My log shows 19, but that /who list earlier shows 20.

[Pint]

gratz on a sweet kill, bet that victory felt incredible

[Gadwen]

Make it clickable only when equipped.

[Tiggles]

This is pretty cool, does it mean FE has set the p99 record for least # of players defeating trak?

15 members logged in dkp from the screeny tiggles stole, 20 from the /who log that was posted, what was the actual number? Were any of those just members in the zone and not at the dragon? Either way, that deserves a round of applause!

Current Trak record is 16 people I believe.

[kotton05]

gratz on a sweet kill, bet that victory felt incredible

[contemptor]

Tiggles you are beyond pathetic

[Flamewraith]

As Nilbog once stated, he doesn't care if the server likes it or not. If it's classic he will keep it.

[gortimer]

TMO EXCLUSIVE ENERGY DRINK! IN STORES NEAR YOU WITHIN 90 DAYS!

[Norathorr]

Grats FE!

[xarzzardorn]

this is either really pathetic or a really stupid troll. please keep your dumb thoughts on twitch

[Tasslehofp99]

this is either really pathetic or a really stupid troll. please keep your dumb thoughts on twitch

Lol.

[Tiggles]

this is either really pathetic or a really stupid troll. please keep your dumb thoughts on twitch

Give ya two guesses

[Alarti0001]

Tiggles you are beyond pathetic

why?

[Shinko]

cuz he a fucking loser, and thinks he some big time streamer, news flash tiggles, go shove a bottle of that energy drink up your fucking asshole and hope you prolapse your self. No one like you on this server go back to playing Pokemon cards. and stuffing you chubby cheeks with marshmallows from your good friend.

yes im just bored, and no way mad sad bad ect ect.

[Shinko]

move to RNF please

[SyanideGas]

Grats on Trak guys

[Tiggles]

Grats on Trak guys

[getsome]

i had regained some respect for tiggles, until he posted this shit.

[t0lkien]

I thought TMO "welcomed competition"?

[Tiggles]

i had regained some respect for tiggles, until he posted this shit.

Jesus christ you make one post out of RNF and people jump down your throat.

[Tasslehofp99]

Would be nice to just have a fair and friendly competition I'm the raid scene without all the cheating, training, trash talking, etc.


Tiggles seems to have fallen into some state of melancholy over the fact that FE is not the dead guild that him and his buddies have continually claimed. You know TMO went through a period of down time too a few months back and FE members (with the exception of one person who barely played) didn't go off on daily rants about TMO being dead or incapable of killing raid mobs. Heck you guys even poopsocked spawns and sniped FTE, something you claimed only FE and other guilds only do due to their inability to track, mobilize, and take down targets the normal way. Still you didn't see FE saying any of the slanderous things which TMO members regularly say about FE.


Want to know why? Because we really don't give a fuck.

We do what we can to kill mobs with the players we have and refuse to sell out for the sake of pixels and greed. Sure everyone will say that FE has its assholes, like any guild does. But atleast we stay true to ourselves and our guild and do what we can to break the stranglehold on the raid scene which TMO has greedily maintained for going on 2 years now.


Say what you will tiggles but for a week I listened to you bashing FE in your stream, spouting off about how we are terrible, and even going as far as implying that our guild has something to do with the recent DDOS attacks because we were mad about not killing trak in the last 20 spawns. As if we gave that many fucks in the first place. So please realize tiggles that you abd your pathetic guild who regularly talks shit and spreads bullshit propaganda and lies about other guilds should have nothing to say about FE. You want to lie some more bout wanting competition and cry more after you lose one spawn go ahead, its quite entertaining when the server sees your true self.


Anyways, just keep your mouth shut and keep showing up to spawns with twice as many people than FE. Sure we may not have as rich of a guild bank as TMO, or as many full VP geared alts, or as many zerglings, but atleast we still have fun and feel accomplished after each kill we get.
If you even attempted to say the same the entire server would just laugh at you.

I can't even imagine how boring it must be killing everymob with ease using 40+ for each mob. Must be so much fun.


Oh and before you bring up TMO's dominance of VP know that its only due to zerg numbers and absolute non classic rules which were added for god knows what reason. Agree to no training in. VP for one week and see how easily you maintain your grip on the pixels that week, I DARE you.

[Tasslehofp99]

Sry for typos, hard to type with thumbs that are a third of the width of this entire phones keypad.

[Tiggles]

Would be nice to just have a fair and friendly competition I'm the raid scene without all the cheating, training, trash talking, etc.


Tiggles seems to have fallen into some state of melancholy over the fact that FE is not the dead guild that him and his buddies have continually claimed. You know TMO went through a period of down time too a few months back and FE members (with the exception of one person who barely played) didn't go off on daily rants about TMO being dead or incapable of killing raid mobs. Heck you guys even poopsocked spawns and sniped FTE, something you claimed only FE and other guilds only do due to their inability to track, mobilize, and take down targets the normal way. Still you didn't see FE saying any of the slanderous things which TMO members regularly say about FE.


Want to know why? Because we really don't give a fuck.

We do what we can to kill mobs with the players we have and refuse to sell out for the sake of pixels and greed. Sure everyone will say that FE has its assholes, like any guild does. But atleast we stay true to ourselves and our guild and do what we can to break the stranglehold on the raid scene which TMO has greedily maintained for going on 2 years now.


Say what you will tiggles but for a week I listened to you bashing FE in your stream, spouting off about how we are terrible, and even going as far as implying that our guild has something to do with the recent DDOS attacks because we were mad about not killing trak in the last 20 spawns. As if we gave that many fucks in the first place. So please realize tiggles that you abd your pathetic guild who regularly talks shit and spreads bullshit propaganda and lies about other guilds should have nothing to say about FE. You want to lie some more bout wanting competition and cry more after you lose one spawn go ahead, its quite entertaining when the server sees your true self.


Anyways, just keep your mouth shut and keep showing up to spawns with twice as many people than FE. Sure we may not have as rich of a guild bank as TMO, or as many full VP geared alts, or as many zerglings, but atleast we still have fun and feel accomplished after each kill we get.
If you even attempted to say the same the entire server would just laugh at you.

I can't even imagine how boring it must be killing everymob with ease using 40+ for each mob. Must be so much fun.


Oh and before you bring up TMO's dominance of VP know that its only due to zerg numbers and absolute non classic rules which were added for god knows what reason. Agree to no training in. VP for one week and see how easily you maintain your grip on the pixels that week, I DARE you.

I had to ban 3 FE members today for coming into my stream and posting my RL information, 50+ people saw me do it. They knew what guild it was coming from they all knew the players names...

I also had to ban one person from your guild because he sat in my channel and tried to convince two new players we were getting set up on P99 to quit due to the corrupt GM staff in league with TMO.

You may dislike me because I talk lots of smack on these forums and you may dislike me because I bad mouth FE on my personal stream. But Tassle take a look at the hate your own guild is spewing before you think you guys are some high and mighty saviour of the server.

[Tasslehofp99]

I had to ban 3 FE members today for coming into my stream and posting my RL information, 50+ people saw me do it. They knew what guild it was coming from they all knew the players names...

I also had to ban one person from your guild because he sat in my channel and tried to convince two new players we were getting set up on P99 to quit due to the corrupt GM staff in league with TMO.

You may dislike me because I talk lots of smack on these forums and you may dislike me because I bad mouth FE on my personal stream. But Tassle take a look at the hate your own guild is spewing before you think you guys are some high and mighty saviour of the server.

I'm sure whatever personal issues you have between you and members of FE have reached inappropriate levels of nerd aggression at times. I mean, you are highly confrontational, you talk trash about people in FE left and right (nevermind the fact that its mostly lies), you put yourself in the thick of the drama by initiating stupid nerd spy games and being a RnF queen.


And now you expect pity when people retaliate against you? Lol please.

You are only getting what you deserve my friend. Regardless of whether or not I agree with or support the actions of people who you claim are in FE, what comes around goes around...or something.



Its quite entertaining to see you "squirm" as alarti put it, especially after you said allllllll week that FE was a dead guild only capable of killing fay/vs by poopsocking.
Grats FE on another newly finished bard epic.
Careful tiggles dont want my pal to choke, chew thoroughly while eating so much crow fatty.

[MaksimMazor]

Welcome back FE! see you on the battlefield

[Tiggles]

I'm sure whatever personal issues you have between you and members of FE have reached inappropriate levels of nerd aggression at times. I mean, you are highly confrontational, you talk trash about people in FE left and right (nevermind the fact that its mostly lies), you put yourself in the thick of the drama by initiating stupid nerd spy games and being a RnF queen.


And now you expect pity when people retaliate against you? Lol please.

You are only getting what you deserve my friend. Regardless of whether or not I agree with or support the actions of people who you claim are in FE, what comes around goes around...or something.



Its quite entertaining to see you "squirm" as alarti put it, especially after you said allllllll week that FE was a dead guild only capable of killing fay/vs by poopsocking.
Grats FE on another newly finished bard epic.
Careful tiggles dont want my pal to choke, chew thoroughly while eating so much crow fatty.

100% of the entitlement 50% of the loot 25% of the accomplishment.

Don't worry Tassle you're raging hard right now I'm sure you'll come back down soon and idle in my stream as you watch your guild mates dwindle away.

[Lopretni]

Girls, girls... you're BOTH pretty!

[Shinko]

http://www.twitch.tv/orotiagito

for a real streamer

[Tiggles]

Girls, girls... you're BOTH pretty!

=0

[Tasslehofp99]

I had to ban 3 FE members today for coming into my stream and posting my RL information, 50+ people saw me do it. They knew what guild it was coming from they all knew the players names...

I also had to ban one person from your guild because he sat in my channel and tried to convince two new players we were getting set up on P99 to quit due to the corrupt GM staff in league with TMO.

You may dislike me because I talk lots of smack on these forums and you may dislike me because I bad mouth FE on my personal stream. But Tassle take a look at the hate your own guild is spewing before you think you guys are some high and mighty saviour of the server.

100% of the entitlement 50% of the loot 25% of the accomplishment.

Don't worry Tassle you're raging hard right now I'm sure you'll come back down soon and idle in my stream as you watch your guild mates dwindle away.

Lol entitlement? Half of our guild could give a fuck less about loot or whatever it is you feel we think we are entitled to. We just enjoy playing together, killing shit with nonzerg numbers, and making you cry tiggles.


The sad thing is all these bad feelings that go both ways could be settled if TMO was willing to work with other guilds. But instead they lie about wanting competition and do everything they can to kill competition before it even has a chance to step to TMO.


Did you all know that there was a guild summit held that was supposed to open the doors to a more fair and friendly raiding scene. Know what TMO said when they showed up?

"When is velious?"

Yup, they don't care about competition or the server. To TMO...p99 is THEIR server, we just play on it.

[Tasslehofp99]

http://www.twitch.tv/orotiagito

for a real streamer



+1 this guy is cool, lets hope he sticks around on p99 instead of quitting as soon as they realize how shitty the raid scene is.

[Tiggles]

+1 this guy is cool, lets hope he sticks around on p99 instead of quitting as soon as they realize how shitty the raid scene is.

He is sticking it out he's a future TMO member.

[Lopretni]

+1 this guy is cool, lets hope he sticks around on p99 instead of quitting as soon as they realize how shitty the raid scene is.

Unless he joins TMO... :O

[Nizzarr]

Soulfire clicking from inventory was removed after best of the best test of tactics(Finals were held on october 30-31, 2000(~1.5 months before velious).

It was in the patch right after this event.

[Splorf22]

http://www.twitch.tv/orotiagito

for a real streamer

WARNING LUCLIN GRAPHICS WARNING

[Tiggles]

Soulfire clicking from inventory was removed after best of the best test of tactics(Finals were held on october 30-31, 2000(~1.5 months before velious).

It was in the patch right after this event.

God bless you

[Handull]

Soulfire clicking from inventory was removed after best of the best test of tactics(Finals were held on october 30-31, 2000(~1.5 months before velious).

It was in the patch right after this event.

mind linking to your proof?

[Tiggles]

mind linking to your proof?

Not proof per say but its a start

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8681

[Nizzarr]

looks like it may have been ToT3 then, which was 2 month before luclin?

Sorry, looks like soulfire spamming is here to stay.

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-12-02

[Triangle]

This thread is ridiculous. I have seen a great # of the soulfire global shouts being for TMO members. All of the sudden FE uses soulfires to kill 1 trakanon and you want a nerf? Give me a fucking break man.

Let me put it to you straight: shut your fucking mouth and go back to mouth breathing into the microphone while we watch tmo afk in VP for hours waiting for pulls on your stream. Thx ;)

P.S.: aren't you amelinda's ex-girlfriend and isn't your reputation stained because of that? Maybe I am thinking of the wrong guy but its fairly audacious for you to be taking this "ambassador to the internets" position after such events.

P.P.S.: bring on RNF!!!

[Freakish]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php
do work

[Tiggles]

looks like it may have been ToT3 then, which was 2 month before luclin?

Sorry, looks like soulfire spamming is here to stay.

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2001-12-02

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php
do work

daammmn yoou

[Tiggles]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php
do work

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020123.html


guess I need to work on my faction~

[Freakish]

December 3, 2001
EverQuest: The Shadows of Luclin, Release date

JANUARY 23, 2002
SoulFire charges can only be used by Paladins (though they can be used from inventory).

[Tasslehofp99]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020123.html


guess I need to work on my faction~

Yeah work on MR too so your guild stops wiping to 32k dragons with 30-40+ (or wipes to fay with 24 vp geared 60's)

[Tasslehofp99]

Tiggles confirmed on suicide watch over losing 1 trak, has not been streaming all day like he was the past week. Someone should reach out to him and let him know its just a game, and there's plenty of other things to live for.

Even if its just one trak kill out of the last 20 like you claim, seeing you so mad may just be the inspiration FE needs to keep trying....lol!

Try to find some other way to have rules changed in such a way that only benefits zerg guilds such as TMO, that is all you're capable of doing to help your guild.

[Lopretni]

Tiggles confirmed on suicide watch over losing 1 trak, has not been streaming all day like he was the past week. Someone should reach out to him and let him know its just a game, and there's plenty of other things to live for.

Even if its just one trak kill out of the last 20 like you claim, seeing you so mad may just be the inspiration FE needs to keep trying....lol!

Try to find some other way to have rules changed in such a way that only benefits zerg guilds such as TMO, that is all you're capable of doing to help your guild.

Okay... but why don't you tell us how you really feel?

[Tiggles]

Okay... but why don't you tell us how you really feel?

hahaha

Calm down Tassle

[arsenalpow]

I had to ban 3 FE members today for coming into my stream and posting my RL information, 50+ people saw me do it. They knew what guild it was coming from they all knew the players names...

I also had to ban one person from your guild because he sat in my channel and tried to convince two new players we were getting set up on P99 to quit due to the corrupt GM staff in league with TMO.

You may dislike me because I talk lots of smack on these forums and you may dislike me because I bad mouth FE on my personal stream. But Tassle take a look at the hate your own guild is spewing before you think you guys are some high and mighty saviour of the server.

so let's get this straight, you had a verbal agreement with shinko to stop spying on the FE boards, yet you spied on the FE boards and spammed pics in this thread

so (allegedly) shinko spammed your RL information while you were streaming, sounds like fair fucking play to me. Treat others as you want to be treated. Do shady shit and receive shady shit back.

[Ektar]

stop abusing my sword

problem solved

[Tiggles]

so let's get this straight, you had a verbal agreement with shinko to stop spying on the FE boards, yet you spied on the FE boards and spammed pics in this thread

so (allegedly) shinko spammed your RL information while you were streaming, sounds like fair fucking play to me. Treat others as you want to be treated. Do shady shit and receive shady shit back.

False


also do you want to promote your guild on my stream?

Sirken wants me to do a guild promotion week thing on the stream.

It will be very PC no drama

[Tasslehofp99]

so let's get this straight, you had a verbal agreement with shinko to stop spying on the FE boards, yet you spied on the FE boards and spammed pics in this thread

so (allegedly) shinko spammed your RL information while you were streaming, sounds like fair fucking play to me. Treat others as you want to be treated. Do shady shit and receive shady shit back.

Exactly.

He thinks its ok for him to spy on our forums (and take RL pics of members which coincidentally end up on TMO forums and P99 forums) yet gets upset when people retaliate.


Not to mention he constantly trash talks others and their guilds and then is suprised when people do the same back. I just think its hilarious TMO claims to want competition but any time FE kills a mob there's always an excuse from tiggles on why it happened. Also, any time TMO is shown up by another guild in the slightest way the first thing tiggles does is try to have rules changed /made up to eliminate any potential competition. Shit is straight up pathetic.

[Cecily]

Forum screen shots equivalent to RL info. Agreed. Welp.. both sides back to being scum bags, a little less on TMO's end imo but ofc biased. Welcome back!

[Tasslehofp99]

Forum screen shots equivalent to RL info. Agreed. Welp.. both sides back to being scum bags, a little less on TMO's end imo but ofc biased. Welcome back!



Just comes down to TMO gaining access to a website they have no business being on. It seems quite creepy how obsessive tiggles/alarti/eccezan have been in regards to FE. For instance when other guilds kill a mob besides FE/TMO there is rarely any trash talk or drama. What.is with these few TMO officers having such a boner for attempting to kill FE? Why do they care so much?


Why are they allowed to harbor such ill will towards an up and coming guild and how is that helpful to the health of the server? Why are rules changed and built to favor a guild such as this? Perhaps the devs/gms should look into this, because its getting old. How many guilds and players have to be griefed pff p99 by TMO before something is done about it? Because this thread right here is pretty much proof that TMO wishes to drive any competition off the server so they can continue their chokehold on the content into velious. Why else does TMO's core need 4-6 best in slot toons or more?


Who can answer these questions?


Ps cecily your opinion means nothing to anyone in FE, you are a traitor and a phony as far as FE is concerned. You joined TMO, you're now a part of one of the problems on p99. Atleast you got VP loot though, snowflake.

[Flamewraith]

I agree with tasslehof on cecily. You're a turncoat and your opinion means nothing. You're just a no spine coward. Way to flock to the crowd.

[Happyfeet]

Tmo is just sour about getting out played by "the dead guild" stop being a poor loser.

"If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones."
the dumbest thing i have heard all day tiggles

You mean how I was the first non-paladin to have a soulfire, and how I CH'd the tank at VS to keep him up on my druid? That whole thread was filled with, WHAT IS THIS MAGIC? DOES HE HAVE A DONALS IN HIS INVENTORY? You can thank me for this strat, way to out play us.

[Cecily]

I agree with tasslehof on cecily. You're a turncoat and your opinion means nothing. You're just a no spine coward. Way to flock to the crowd.

Hello nameless zergling. Get a reputation first before you flame someone with one.

[t0lkien]

You know, I think what FE did was pretty awesome. I hope more guilds step up and challenge TMO - not out of any ill will, it's just good for the entire server.

So grats FE, and well played. Kudos to whoever originally came up with the strat too.

[Cecily]

You know, I think what FE did was pretty awesome. I hope more guilds step up and challenge TMO - not out of any ill will, it's just good for the entire server.

So grats FE, and well played.

100% agreed.

[Lopretni]

You know, I think what FE did was pretty awesome. I hope more guilds step up and challenge TMO - not out of any ill will, it's just good for the entire server.

So grats FE, and well played. Kudos to whoever originally came up with the strat too.

Thirding this. A little less conversation, a little more action.

[Cecily]

Who can answer these questions?

Let me try.


It seems quite creepy how obsessive tiggles/alarti/eccezan have been in regards to FE. For instance when other guilds kill a mob besides FE/TMO there is rarely any trash talk or drama. What.is with these few TMO officers having such a boner for attempting to kill FE? Why do they care so much?

Only one of those people is an officer. FE was founded as an anti-TMO guild, fueled by alot of (justifiable) anger from previous guilds. What type of reception would you expect from TMO dealing with a guild like that?


Why are they allowed to harbor such ill will towards an up and coming guild and how is that helpful to the health of the server?

Because the GMs, thankfully, don't moderate how we feel about other.

Why are rules changed and built to favor a guild such as this?

Tiggles is just being a moran with this thread. The rules are changed to maintain w/e sadist vision the Devs have in mind. However, it's really easy to view the changes that don't favor your side as favoritism for the other side. It's silly but understandable.

How many guilds and players have to be griefed pff p99 by TMO before something is done about it?

We're aiming for at least 3 more guilds and roughly 200 players. Not including FE. Counting that as a success already.

Why else does TMO's core need 4-6 best in slot toons or more?

Because we can.

[Tasslehofp99]

Hello nameless zealot. Get a reputation first before you flame someone with one.


Fixed.
We are protoss.

[Cecily]

If you read that post you were flaming me on a bit more carefully, I said both guilds (Tiggles honestly) were acting like scum bags. I don't like us being on your forums and I sure as hell don't like you guys retaliating with RL info. I think the RL info is worse. GL with the 2nd crusade.

[Tasslehofp99]

If you read that post you were flaming me on a bit more carefully, I said both guilds (Tiggles honestly) were acting like scum bags. I don't like us being on your forums and I sure as hell don't like you guys retaliating with RL info. I think the RL info is worse. GL with the 2nd crusade.

For most of FE the first battle never ended, you were just one of the weak willed casualties who went with the path of least resistance. Enjoy that VP gear, hope it serves you well. I just hope for the sake of people like you that TMO survives the winter. At any rate I hope you're happy with your decision to join TMO. It must me a blast killing 32k dragons with 40+ ppl average, atleast you guys never wipe though....oh wait.


The sad thing is you were a valued member of FE and very well liked, its a shame you turned your back on your friends when things got tough. In TMO you're just another brick in the wall meant to lock out the good people of p99 from experiencing content.

[Cecily]

Don't justify don't justify don't justify. Yeah... b/c I thought we got this out of our system 3 months ago. Jeez. I'm TMO now. Please get used to it and stop trying to make me feel bad about it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Don't justify don't justify don't justify. Yeah... b/c I thought we got this out of our system 3 months ago. Jeez. I'm TMO now. Please get used to it and stop trying to make me feel bad about it.

If you feel bad about it that's on you, I'm just telling it like it is. Your poor integrity and lack of loyalty are your character traits, not mine. I am simply making a statement based off past observations of your actions.

[Cecily]

You're a terrible friend, you know that?

[falkun]

I'm TMO now.
Which is why I care more about Alarti's opinion (aka: not much) than yours, at least he stuck with TMO when things were more difficult for them.

[Cecily]

You're a terrible friend, you know that?

[falkun]

There's a kids retort that fits so well here, "Takes one to know one."

You have changed guilds more than Taylor Swift has changed boyfriends.

[Cecily]

Leaving <Still Waters> was not easy for me and how dare you bring that up.

Please direct all future critiques of my moral character to my RnF thread and quit ruining this one.

[Tasslehofp99]

Which is why I care more about Alarti's opinion (aka: not much) than yours, at least he stuck with TMO when things were more difficult for them.

Amen.

I just felt the need to address you because you seemed to be under the impression that anyone in FE gave a fuck about anything you say anymore.
Drive through, thanks cecily.

[falkun]

Please direct all future critiques of my moral character to my RnF thread and quit ruining this one.

So you are saying there was ever a legitimate topic in this thread that could be ruined, bad assumption.

[zanderklocke]

The best thing about these threads is that in 5 years from now, no one is going to give a rip what guild you were in, even if P99 is still around. It's amazing how much people get worked up from all different guilds.

It's like a relationship break up; I'm not even sure what to think about that.

[kotton05]

Tiggles you're an angel IRL and a menance to FE forum boards.

Think he checks them more than most FE members

[Mazster]

My favorite story about Tiggles, here goes..

Tiggles streams GM's -VS- Zibzob exploit guy, holds grand RMT tribunal and QA in the name of justice and server sanctity. Then tiggles plugs the stream with an advert for a (soon to be) commercially available product from which he stands to benefit financially.

This rings warning bells immediately. Lets look at content streaming legality in a nut shell:

1.Game streaming is a public performance of a copyrighted work
2.Unauthorized public performance of a copyrighted work is illegal
3.Everquest original and Kunark are unauthorized, P99's homebrew content does not elevate it in any way, it's still all copyrighted.
4.The copyright holders choose not to enforce their legal rights because pursuing legal action would only result in a cease & desist.

Sony doesn't take P99 to civil court because there's no money to be made. P99 isn't profiting, so Sony doesn't care, taking P99 to court would just cost money and result in a cease and desist order. But as soon as money is made from the content without authorization, everything changes, now Sony has a reasonable basis upon which to sue all parties involved and collect as much money from the stolen works as possible.

So, P99 can fly relatively low with its strict no-RMT policy avoiding the legal banhammer.. but tiggles isn't flying low, he's breaking the law and generating revenue from it. He stands to potentially incur civil penalties should Sony catch wind of the money he's making, and could even drag P99 down with him. Corporations don't like losing money, and they don't like having a highly paid legal team sitting idle while people make money off of their property. Should Sony's legal team see fit, it would take about 1 serious email to shut down P1999 forever and ruin this experience for about 1000 people..

And don't think that just because it hasn't happened that it isn't on the agenda. According to proposed amendments of the criminal aspects of copyright law (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s978/text) what tiggles is doing, in future, will be a felony resulting in up to 5 years in jail.

Basically, if we give them a reason to come sniffing around, we probably won't like what they have to say. I don't know what sort of contact P99 has received from Sony's legal team, if any, but I can promise you that anybody making money in any way will only speed up the process of getting this whole thing shut down.

If Tiggles truly had what was best for P99 in mind, he would stop generating revenue from Sony and the P99's hard work (and I mean that, Sony worked incredibly hard on this game, and P99 has done the absolute best job possible in recreating the classic EQ experience for our time period)

To Tiggles, there comes a time when every person must swallow their pride, keep their chin up and hold them self accountable for their actions, no matter how in denial they may be. It's not easy, but I promise that once you start down this path, your quality of living only increases in ways you probably never could have imagined. I'm sure when it comes down to the nitty gritty, very few of us actually care what sort of underhanded short sighted, troll-appealing, shock value/face saving response you can cook up if your actions are directly tied to everybody losing P99.

What you are doing is wrong, and you are jeopardizing a great thing that many people enjoy all in the name of personal greed. I implore you to reconsider your ways, Everquest after all is about working together and having fun, and just about everybody knows you're not here to do either of those things.

Like.. imagine doing something nice for somebody just because it would make them feel good, and not because there was something in it for you. How fucked up would that be?

[zanderklocke]

Wait, so you think people are actually going to buy the energy drink Tiggles is plugging in his streams, and furthermore, based on his stream's influence, you believe that enough will buy it that it is actually tangible revenue for him?

[Mazster]

Negative, I'm saying that as his channel grows in popularity, all it takes is 1 person to bring his revenue to the attention of the appropriate authorities, potentially getting himself, and P99 wrapped up in legal trouble that would be ridiculously easy to launch from any sizable firm, and entirely devastating to the P99 community, all because kiddo wants to make a buck.

Everybody deserves to understand the ramifications of his actions, he's playing with fire, and the people who truly love this game are the ones who stand to get burned.

I don't support his ads and neither should you, even if they are in their adolescence, big things have small beginnings :P

[Tasslehofp99]

Negative, I'm saying that as his channel grows in popularity, all it takes is 1 person to bring his revenue to the attention of the appropriate authorities, potentially getting himself, and P99 wrapped up in legal trouble that would be ridiculously easy to launch from any sizable firm, and entirely devastating to the P99 community, all because kiddo wants to make a buck.

Everybody deserves to understand the ramifications of his actions, he's playing with fire, and the people who truly love this game are the ones who stand to get burned.

I don't support his ads and neither should you, even if they are in their adolescence, big things have small beginnings :P

Where did they get the money to develop their own "energy drink" that they have publically claimed is made by TMO in the first place I wonder?
This is some sketchy shit!

[Briscoe]

Energy drinks and guild betrayals.

[t0lkien]

I'm pretty sure there's reasonably serious money being made via RMT, so if Sony et al ever wanted to take a close look at things, p99 would be in trouble anyway. Actually, I'd say it's in more danger of the IRS getting interested...

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/2QqrXhE.gif

[Tasslehofp99]

http://i.imgur.com/2QqrXhE.gif

lol!

[Tasslehofp99]

My favorite story about Tiggles, here goes..

Tiggles streams GM's -VS- Zibzob exploit guy, holds grand RMT tribunal and QA in the name of justice and server sanctity. Then tiggles plugs the stream with an advert for a (soon to be) commercially available product from which he stands to benefit financially.

This rings warning bells immediately. Lets look at content streaming legality in a nut shell:

1.Game streaming is a public performance of a copyrighted work
2.Unauthorized public performance of a copyrighted work is illegal
3.Everquest original and Kunark are unauthorized, P99's homebrew content does not elevate it in any way, it's still all copyrighted.
4.The copyright holders choose not to enforce their legal rights because pursuing legal action would only result in a cease & desist.

Sony doesn't take P99 to civil court because there's no money to be made. P99 isn't profiting, so Sony doesn't care, taking P99 to court would just cost money and result in a cease and desist order. But as soon as money is made from the content without authorization, everything changes, now Sony has a reasonable basis upon which to sue all parties involved and collect as much money from the stolen works as possible.

So, P99 can fly relatively low with its strict no-RMT policy avoiding the legal banhammer.. but tiggles isn't flying low, he's breaking the law and generating revenue from it. He stands to potentially incur civil penalties should Sony catch wind of the money he's making, and could even drag P99 down with him. Corporations don't like losing money, and they don't like having a highly paid legal team sitting idle while people make money off of their property. Should Sony's legal team see fit, it would take about 1 serious email to shut down P1999 forever and ruin this experience for about 1000 people..

And don't think that just because it hasn't happened that it isn't on the agenda. According to proposed amendments of the criminal aspects of copyright law (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s978/text) what tiggles is doing, in future, will be a felony resulting in up to 5 years in jail.

Basically, if we give them a reason to come sniffing around, we probably won't like what they have to say. I don't know what sort of contact P99 has received from Sony's legal team, if any, but I can promise you that anybody making money in any way will only speed up the process of getting this whole thing shut down.

If Tiggles truly had what was best for P99 in mind, he would stop generating revenue from Sony and the P99's hard work (and I mean that, Sony worked incredibly hard on this game, and P99 has done the absolute best job possible in recreating the classic EQ experience for our time period)

To Tiggles, there comes a time when every person must swallow their pride, keep their chin up and hold them self accountable for their actions, no matter how in denial they may be. It's not easy, but I promise that once you start down this path, your quality of living only increases in ways you probably never could have imagined. I'm sure when it comes down to the nitty gritty, very few of us actually care what sort of underhanded short sighted, troll-appealing, shock value/face saving response you can cook up if your actions are directly tied to everybody losing P99.

What you are doing is wrong, and you are jeopardizing a great thing that many people enjoy all in the name of personal greed. I implore you to reconsider your ways, Everquest after all is about working together and having fun, and just about everybody knows you're not here to do either of those things.

Like.. imagine doing something nice for somebody just because it would make them feel good, and not because there was something in it for you. How fucked up would that be?

TMO legal/spin team has to have been batphoned, awaiting response.

[quido]

lol Mazster you sound mad as fuck bro, get a grip

[Mazster]

And don't try to argue that because EQ is now "free", that the content is worthless. EQ Live still features subscriptions, and generates revenue for Sony, just using a different business model. This does not at all change the fact that the content is still copyrighted property. If you don't believe me take a look at section 7A of SOE's TOS.

Tiggles in the wrong, regardless of impact to date, his actions run the risk of doing damage to P99, all in the name of personal financial gain. His desire for fame and fortune does not outweigh everybody having a classic EQ good time.

[Mazster]

The voice of reason is often misinterpreted by those who aren't ready to listen :D

[Alarti0001]

Negative, I'm saying that as his channel grows in popularity, all it takes is 1 person to bring his revenue to the attention of the appropriate authorities, potentially getting himself, and P99 wrapped up in legal trouble that would be ridiculously easy to launch from any sizable firm, and entirely devastating to the P99 community, all because kiddo wants to make a buck.

Everybody deserves to understand the ramifications of his actions, he's playing with fire, and the people who truly love this game are the ones who stand to get burned.

I don't support his ads and neither should you, even if they are in their adolescence, big things have small beginnings :P

LOLOL? Really?

[Alarti0001]

The voice of reason is often misinterpreted by those who aren't ready to listen :D

More like some voice in your head. GLuck Joan of Arc

[Flamewraith]

Hello nameless zergling. Get a reputation first before you flame someone with one.

I need a reputation before I call someone out for flocking to the herd? Lol okay.

[Samoht]

Just comes down to TMO gaining access to a website they have no business being on.

why can't you control your shit?

soulfire should still be fixed.

[spoils]

Lotta young lawyers all up in hurr

[Abbot]

More like some voice in your head. GLuck Joan of Arc

I'm contributing nothing to the thread but that was pretty funny.

[SamwiseRed]

You mean how I was the first non-paladin to have a soulfire, and how I CH'd the tank at VS to keep him up on my druid? That whole thread was filled with, WHAT IS THIS MAGIC? DOES HE HAVE A DONALS IN HIS INVENTORY? You can thank me for this strat, way to out play us.

ya you were the first one to ever use a soulfire to heal a tank... lol

[Alarti0001]

ya you were the first one to ever use a soulfire to heal a tank... lol

Hobby was the first.

[Tiggles]

Went to bed, came back and this thread got Hilarious

[Kinsawt]

Like it or not, Tiggles is right. Soulfire is just like Ivandyr's Hoops and just like DA Idols, all which have been nerfed prior to their time on live.

That said, Donal's BP's should also eat an early nerf. I know they weren't nerfed until 3 weeks into Velious, but that's somewhat of an arbitrary time frame. They were nerfed 6 months after they first dropped and 8 months after they were put into the game, most servers had less than 5 and we have around 50?

The raid scene isn't fun when you can quest/farm items to absolutely trivialize content you shouldn't be killing. Nerf Soulfire, Nerf Donals BP.

[Tiggles]

Like it or not, Tiggles is right. Soulfire is just like Ivandyr's Hoops and just like DA Idols, all which have been nerfed prior to their time on live.

That said, Donal's BP's should also eat an early nerf. I know they weren't nerfed until 3 weeks into Velious, but that's somewhat of an arbitrary time frame. They were nerfed 6 months after they first dropped and 8 months after they were put into the game, most servers had less than 5 and we have around 50?

The raid scene isn't fun when you can quest/farm items to absolutely trivialize content you shouldn't be killing. Nerf Soulfire, Nerf Donals BP.

[heartbrand]

All my hard work of keeping SoulFire on the dl going out the fucking window

[r00t]

nerf itam

donals bp got nerfed??? remember 1of my irl pals had 1 and a manastone #ballin

[Alarti0001]

The raid scene isn't fun when you can quest/farm items to absolutely trivialize content you shouldn't be killing. Nerf Soulfire, Nerf Donals BP.

This or legalize MQ2

[Tiggles]

This or legalize MQ2

inc 100 FE quotes trying to take it out of context.

[Thulack]

To sum up thread:

TMO butthurt they got beat on a raid mob and now call foul on item that they have probably used 100's of times themselves. Stay classy TMO :)

[Tiggles]

To sum up thread:

TMO butthurt they got beat on a raid mob and now call foul on item that they have probably used 100's of times themselves. Stay classy TMO :)

That or I made a funny post while Tassle was in my channel.

Then Linked it to him in my channel and watched him fill it with rage.

I'm just as surprised at the people who are backing me up as the people who are giving me shit.

This is not a TMO official post.

[Alarti0001]

To sum up thread:

TMO butthurt they got beat on a raid mob and now call foul on item that they have probably used 100's of times themselves. Stay classy TMO :)

Probably!
But not really

[Samoht]

Nerf Soulfire, Nerf Donals BP.

[sulpher01]

This thread is so full of butthurt it.... hurts?

[SCB]

Like it or not, Tiggles is right. Soulfire is just like Ivandyr's Hoops and just like DA Idols, all which have been nerfed prior to their time on live.


The only relevant question here is this: Was SoulFire nerfed in the classic timeline?

Server's either trying to be classic or it isn't.

[arsenalpow]

The only relevant question here is this: Was SoulFire nerfed in the classic timeline?

Server's either trying to be classic or it isn't.

Unfortunately that's not the case considering ivandyr hoop was never nerfed in that capacity. There shouldn't be a nerf considering the lengths that one must go to in order to acquire a soulfire. Realistically one person can get a soulfire every 8 hours at the most, not really game breaking like a hoop that was only limited by the amount of rubies you could turn in.

[Splorf22]

The problem with the raid scene is the tracking, batphoning, and overall douchebaggery by everyone involved owing to have 5-10x as many players as the amount of content. Soulfire is way, way, down on the list of problems.

[Frieza_Prexus]

There shouldn't be a nerf considering the lengths that one must go to in order to acquire a soulfire.

^

[heartbrand]

The problem with the raid scene is the tracking, batphoning, and overall douchebaggery by everyone involved owing to have 5-10x as many players as the amount of content. Soulfire is way, way, down on the list of problems.

how has tracking been for variance post track nerf? gotta be real annoying to track innoruuk and faydedar no?

[Wrench]

That or I made a funny post while Tassle was in my channel.

Then Linked it to him in my channel and watched him fill it with rage.

I'm just as surprised at the people who are backing me up as the people who are giving me shit.

This is not a TMO official post.

Admitting to intentionally trolling the bugs forum? This should honestly result in a forum ban.

[Tiggles]

Admitting to intentionally trolling the bugs forum? This should honestly result in a forum ban.

I should be banned for how bad this thread has become.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I should be banned for how bad this thread has become.

Hook a car battery up to your nipples as penance and live-stream it to achieve absolution.

[Freakish]

Fay is stupidly easy to track. You stick a ranger at firepots. Less than 20 mobs path near there, so you'll see him. Or simply stick a druid on top of his spawn. Or anyone on top of his spawn.

Inny sucks if someone clears. But if you keep a dedicated tracker during the respawns anyway, it won't matter.

Or just do my preferred method, clear the plane while he's in window and hope you get lucky with a pop. More entertaining than tracking.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Sticky this, maybe link to it on the p99 main page, because this thread is as good an argument as any for players new to the server, and wondering what the high end is like, to keep their chars essence emerald'd <lvl 50, lest some poop be'socked night they drink a bottle of bleach and scrawl out a "Goodbye Cruel Norrath" suicide note in MS Paint as a new sig.

[Alarti0001]

The problem with the raid scene is the tracking, batphoning, and overall douchebaggery by everyone involved owing to have 5-10x as many players as the amount of content. Soulfire is way, way, down on the list of problems.

Velious

[Alarti0001]

The only relevant question here is this: Was SoulFire nerfed in the classic timeline?

Server's either trying to be classic or it isn't.

Destroy your current computer and get a voodoo2. No SSD's allowed and i dont know limit yourself to 1gb of ram or so.

Also, explain variance, extended windows, and ivandyrs hoop nerf.

lolwut!

[rickjames]

My favorite story about Tiggles, here goes..

Tiggles streams GM's -VS- Zibzob exploit guy, holds grand RMT tribunal and QA in the name of justice and server sanctity. Then tiggles plugs the stream with an advert for a (soon to be) commercially available product from which he stands to benefit financially.


He also has the regular support and endorsement of P99 staff to promote his channel, might as well put a big ass energy drink ad and a TMO logo on the front page, since they own the server anyway.

[fastboy21]

there is an inherent problem with just "keep everything classic" approach to what should and should not be on the server.

p1999 is not a perfect replica of classic eq, and i'm not only referring to the "unfixable" issues of working with the given client that the devs can't really alter for copy-write reasons. there are a number of much more organic issues with p1999 eq that will keep it from perfectly recreating classic eq (take for example, that I am surfing the web and posting to this forum in a window while playing the game right now). Another example, is that the timeline is significantly elongated on p1999 due to the development time schedule. Combine all this extra time with the decade plus of eq experience and easily accessible vast knowledge base available online for the game.

the result is that there are times when individual decisions to deviate from perfect classic data (ivandyrs hoop, for example) makes the best sense for the server. its ironic, but some of these non-classic alterations keep the server more classic than without them.

I don't know if the soulfire issue is there yet, because I don't really play much in the raid game. It isn't as simple as just saying "what was it like in actual classic?"---99.9% of the time this prob true, but sometimes it isn't.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Tmo first to use hoops it was cool until the competition beat them at their own game then they cried until it got nerfed. Tmo = biggest collection of titty babies ever. They all claim they want competition but when the competition finds a clever way to use game mechanics that is not breaking the rules. They cry all day.

It's interesting how you purposefully ignore that the current count of TMO in this thread is at 5-2 against, and 5-1 if you consider Tiggles' suggestion withdrawn.

Also, you know better than to misrepresent the history of the hoop nerf. The relevant portion begins at 2:00: Hoop Nerf: A Historical Primer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWX2adECIk8)

[happyhappy]

The problem with the raid scene is the tracking, batphoning, and overall douchebaggery by everyone involved owing to have 5-10x as many players as the amount of content. Soulfire is way, way, down on the list of problems.

Nail's head, meet hammer.

[heartbrand]

Not enough content, too many level 60s. On red we are at least motivated to kill everything by our desire to deny it to the competition who could use it to fight us, even though we bank it all or it all rots (with exception of Queen Phara Dar of the Sacred Pixels), I don't get how TMO stays motivated.

[SamwiseRed]

Not enough content, too many level 60s. On red we are at least motivated to kill everything by our desire to deny it to the competition who could use it to fight us, even though we bank it all or it all rots (with exception of Queen Phara Dar of the Sacred Pixels), I don't get how TMO stays motivated.

hehehe o

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://i.imgur.com/2QqrXhE.gif


"Hello, I am Special Agent Peterson, and this is Special Agent McNulty, we're from the Treasury Department, and we just wanted to ask you a few questions about Everquest, and we also have a warrant here to search your Mom's basement."

[Cecily]

Not enough content, too many level 60s. On red we are at least motivated to kill everything by our desire to deny it to the competition who could use it to fight us, even though we bank it all or it all rots (with exception of Queen Phara Dar of the Sacred Pixels), I don't get how TMO stays motivated.

It's kinda the same thing I think. Loot denial to the competition. You guys just have something else fun to do with the stuff you get. A 20 Trakanon kill streak has the same psychological impact as getting your corpse camped I'd imagine. It's just a slower way to be mean.

[Lorraine]

Not enough content, too many level 60s. On red we are at least motivated to kill everything by our desire to deny it to the competition who could use it to fight us, even though we bank it all or it all rots (with exception of Queen Phara Dar of the Sacred Pixels), I don't get how TMO stays motivated.



http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7905/24a6.jpg

[fastboy21]

It's kinda the same thing I think. Loot denial to the competition. You guys just have something else fun to do with the stuff you get. A 20 Trakanon kill streak has the same psychological impact as getting your corpse camped I'd imagine. It's just a slower way to be mean.

So, the best way that you can describe how you (and your guild) stay motivated is to say that it's a way to be mean? Seems kinda weak. :(

[t0lkien]

I'm pretty sure Lorraine's got it.... As I've said, all you have to do with p99 is join the dots.

[Faulken]

It's always funny to me that people think "accomplishments" in MMO's (especially this one) are anything other than sitting at a keyboard clicking buttons for a longer period of time than the next guy.

It's like being proud of sitting on your couch long enough to be the fattest fuck around, and then actually bragging about it.

[Ele]

It's always funny to me that people think "accomplishments" in MMO's (especially this one) are anything other than sitting at a keyboard clicking buttons for a longer period of time than the next guy.

It's like being proud of sitting on your couch long enough to be the fattest fuck around, and then actually bragging about it.

If Guinness has a spot, someone has to fill it.

[Cecily]

So, the best way that you can describe how you (and your guild) stay motivated is to say that it's a way to be mean? Seems kinda weak. :(

Yes.

[Pringles]

Just get rid of CH all together, make it interesting.

[Tasslehofp99]

I'm pretty sure Lorraine's got it.... As I've said, all you have to do with p99 is join the dots.

Yup.

[fastboy21]

Yes.

Well, at least you are honest. Hopefully, at some point, you also play because you enjoy it for its own sake.

[Tasslehofp99]

Well, at least you are honest. Hopefully, at some point, you also play because you enjoy it for its own sake.

How is killing 32k dragons with over 40 people fun? It's like auto attack on, mob dies, gg.

I'd rather kill dragons with around 24 people so it's still a challenge and feels like somewhat of an accomplishment afterwards even though 32k dragons are so easy.

I'd have quit by now if I was in TMO, shit must be so boring. I guess if you only play to cockblock 900+ people out of raid content then you're the type of person who doesn't get bored too easily.

Either way tiggles advertising a TMO-sponsored Energy drink on his stream seems to be risky, we should probably find out for sure if this is going to bring heat down on p99. It would be terrible for 1 greedy fuck to ruin p99 for 2000+ people.

[Fllash]

Whenever Tiggles posts, all I see is his obnoxious signature and it really makes me just pity the poor fat bastard.

[ozguy]

While Soulfires are classic, killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not.

If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones.



EQ is a broken ancient game and trivialised by complete heal, clickies and a myriad of other abuse of mechanics? REALLY? And this is something we didn't already know 10 years ago?

1) I predict velious content will be cleared within 24 hours of release, Soulfires or not. There's enough Donal's BPs floating around to make a fast Donals CH Chain viable. Add to this all the years of farming VP gear and a well oiled, ready to go raid force you're looking at velious being beaten very quickly. Guilds who started from nothing day 1 at level 1 fresh server on Velious release managed get right up there in top 10 Vulak kills without the advantage of years of solid VP farming. Even the well established guilds on the older servers had less VP farming under their belt than TMO does at this point.

2) The game has many mechanics that could be considered broken or easily abused by today's MMO standards. This game was beaten over and over years ago. P99 gives us a chance to freeze in time and push those broken mechanics to the limit (eg "The A-Team" )

3) Love it or hate it, the broken mechanics are part of what draws people to the classic experience. You can't have the full classic experience by picking and choosing what this "Tiggles" guy thinks is 'classic' or not. P99 devs are doing a great job of recreating the classic game based on the actual mechanics and hard techincal facts, not some persons arbitrary thoughts about how they think they remember the meta-game should have played out like. Who are you to define what classic is??


Look how much silly stuff goes on at a typical sky raid with 'corpse summoning' people to higher islands, corpsing keys, pulling mobs to different islands, charming mobs. Most of this was never how SOE intended it but they were too lazy to fix because it was probably considered not enough of an abuse/exploit to worry about especially since the next 1-2 expansions were the priority for their efforts. Yet P99 faithfully have reproduced the 'classic' sky experience by following SOEs good and bad decisions that have resulted in what we consider as classic.

Complete heal (CH) is another example. SOE back in the day realised that CH was over-abused but it was so much part of the raiding culture that nerfing it directly in one hit would be a disaster. Eventually they just mudflated their way out of the dilemma by capping it to 7500 (when 7500 hp was more than most people could get) then letting the mudflating take peoples HP way beyond that, gradually phasing out the importance of that one spell over the next few years.

Let's face it, "raid content" was easy in Everquest with little strategy involved - Auto-attack on, begin CH chain. Most "strategy" is actually an unintended abuse of mechanics be it CH chains, line of sight exploits, mob positioning, chain runes to stop lifetap, multiboxing, kiting etc etc.

Hand wavy ideas such as "killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not" have no basis and there is no proof that your claim has any truth to it. As time goes on of course people will find out better and more efficient ways to break the already broken game mechanics even further.

[SamwiseRed]

EQ is a broken ancient game and trivialised by complete heal, clickies and a myriad of other abuse of mechanics? REALLY? And this is something we didn't already know 10 years ago?

1) I predict velious content will be cleared within 24 hours of release, Soulfires or not. There's enough Donal's BPs floating around to make a fast Donals CH Chain viable. Add to this all the years of farming VP gear and a well oiled, ready to go raid force you're looking at velious being beaten very quickly. Guilds who started from nothing day 1 at level 1 fresh server on Velious release managed get right up there in top 10 Vulak kills without the advantage of years of solid VP farming. Even the well established guilds on the older servers had less VP farming under their belt than TMO does at this point.

2) The game has many mechanics that could be considered broken or easily abused by today's MMO standards. This game was beaten over and over years ago. P99 gives us a chance to freeze in time and push those broken mechanics to the limit (eg "The A-Team" )

3) Love it or hate it, the broken mechanics are part of what draws people to the classic experience. You can't have the full classic experience by picking and choosing what this "Tiggles" guy thinks is 'classic' or not. P99 devs are doing a great job of recreating the classic game based on the actual mechanics and hard techincal facts, not some persons arbitrary thoughts about how they think they remember the meta-game should have played out like. Who are you to define what classic is??


Look how much silly stuff goes on at a typical sky raid with 'corpse summoning' people to higher islands, corpsing keys, pulling mobs to different islands, charming mobs. Most of this was never how SOE intended it but they were too lazy to fix because it was probably considered not enough of an abuse/exploit to worry about especially since the next 1-2 expansions were the priority for their efforts. Yet P99 faithfully have reproduced the 'classic' sky experience by following SOEs good and bad decisions that have resulted in what we consider as classic.

Complete heal (CH) is another example. SOE back in the day realised that CH was over-abused but it was so much part of the raiding culture that nerfing it directly in one hit would be a disaster. Eventually they just mudflated their way out of the dilemma by capping it to 7500 (when 7500 hp was more than most people could get) then letting the mudflating take peoples HP way beyond that, gradually phasing out the importance of that one spell over the next few years.

Let's face it, "raid content" was easy in Everquest with little strategy involved - Auto-attack on, begin CH chain. Most "strategy" is actually an unintended abuse of mechanics be it CH chains, line of sight exploits, mob positioning, chain runes to stop lifetap, multiboxing, kiting etc etc.

Hand wavy ideas such as "killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not" have no basis and there is no proof that your claim has any truth to it. As time goes on of course people will find out better and more efficient ways to break the already broken game mechanics even further.

good post, would read again.

[t0lkien]

Does anyone honestly think Tiggles/whoever are genuinely concerned about balance? They are crying because they were beaten to a raid mob by a clever and determined guild who out "exploited" them with tools that essentially tip the balance of things away from TMO. This post, and others like it, have nothing to do with the health of the game, classic authenticity, fairness, or balance. You're trying to reason with unreasonable people who are motivated purely by self interest.

[runlvlzero]

good post, would read again.

Hard technical facts is the most bullshit I've heard in years lol...

Original EMU devs that left the main project years ago knew what they where doing. And froze in time with a half way decent server hack that worked with the client they had.

To bad this is all thats left and its in the hands of butchers.

[Flamewraith]

Does anyone honestly think Tiggles/whoever are genuinely concerned about balance? They are crying because they were beaten to a raid mob by a clever and determined guild who out "exploited" them with tools that essentially tip the balance of things away from TMO. This post, and others like it, have nothing to do with the health of the game, classic authenticity, fairness, or balance. You're trying to reason with unreasonable people who are motivated purely by self interest.

[stavio]

+1 for the "little guys"

[apio]

itt: TMO faggots whining about losing trak to 19 FE

HAHAHA
PS: Tiggles, calmdown !!! Maybe time to RMT some more monks ?

pathetic haha

ps: had to resend my forum password so i could laugh at your faggot ass.

[Alarti0001]

itt: TMO faggots whining about losing trak to 19 FE

HAHAHA
PS: Tiggles, calmdown !!! Maybe time to RMT some more monks ?

pathetic haha

ps: had to resend my forum password so i could laugh at your faggot ass.

...... pathetic haha

[apio]

still laughing..

better troll next time
PS: Im logging back off now, dont need to stay logged in to laugh at the faggot defending the other faggot. Also nothing i could do would be more pathetic than making a 500 word whine post on the BUG forums to get something nerfed because you lost ONE trak

[Splorf22]

The game has many mechanics that could be considered broken or easily abused by today's MMO standards. This game was beaten over and over years ago. P99 gives us a chance to freeze in time and push those broken mechanics to the limit (eg "The A-Team" )

Hehehehehehe.

[Tasslehofp99]

Currently Soulfire is being used to trivialize content in the same vein as Ivandyrs hoop. 5 charges of complete heal is allowing groups of 10 players to Kill Trakanon much less then what was require the kill him using Ivandyrs Hoops.

Soulfires give more charges of a better spell and is easily re-quested for recharges.

This current trend of soulfiring down mobs is growing and some guilds are making it a requirement to have one at all times.

While Soulfires are classic, killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not.

If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones.

Included is a link to Rogeans post talking about the Ivandyrs hoop Nerf and how it interferes with the raid scene.




Thank you


How the fuck is 21-24 people for trakanon (a 32k hp mob) low numbers?

I'd love to see the logs of how many soulfire charges were used, I'd be surprised if it was higher than 2 total. Be real man, why are you mad that a guild is able to kill dragons with the proper number of raiders?

[Tasslehofp99]

itt: TMO faggots whining about losing trak to 19 FE

HAHAHA
PS: Tiggles, calmdown !!! Maybe time to RMT some more monks ?
pathetic haha

ps: had to resend my forum password so i could laugh at your faggot ass.

Ohh interesting allegations being made there!


But yeah I agree with you, this was a pretty funny post by tiggles. The best part is that he hasn't even acknowledged whether it was posted as a joke or not yet.

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/5o3UbYd.png

[Tiggles]

That or I made a funny post while Tassle was in my channel.

Then Linked it to him in my channel and watched him fill it with rage.

I'm just as surprised at the people who are backing me up as the people who are giving me shit.

This is not a TMO official post.

Ohh interesting allegations being made there!


But yeah I agree with you, this was a pretty funny post by tiggles. The best part is that he hasn't even acknowledged whether it was posted as a joke or not yet.

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/5o3UbYd.png

Explain the stupid and uneducated part ele? The only thing ever backing your opinions is "Its classic". Seems like an opinion to me.

[Tiggles]

http://i.imgur.com/5o3UbYd.png

Yeah really Ellie I just copied the same notions that got Ivandyrs nerfed.

[Ele]

Yeah really Ellie I just copied the same notions that got Ivandyrs nerfed.

omg I got you good, maximum overrustle of jimmies


Explain the stupid and uneducated part ele? The only thing ever backing your opinions is "Its classic". Seems like an opinion to me.

Prove it.

[Tiggles]

omg I got you good, maximum overrustle of jimmies




Prove it.


Go back to 4chan!

[Triangle]

Know what else is broken? lvl 30's walking around with VP weapons because there is no level limit on the key quest or on VP itself.

[Tiggles]

Know what else is broken? lvl 30's walking around with VP weapons because there is no level limit on the key quest or on VP itself.

Classic

[pharmakos]

Classic

just like SoulFire being clickable by any class ;)

[Flamewraith]

just like SoulFire being clickable by any class ;)

[Splorf22]

The only thing ever backing your opinions is "Its classic".

That's actually a pretty solid opinion though. Suppose we decide that 5 charges of instant complete heal is pretty ridiculously overpowered (it is). Well, what about:


Hybrid XP penalties
Donals BP
Puppet strings
WC caps
Ridiculously low mana cost of enchanter spells
Shamans getting a damage clicky while Wizards don't
Iksar Planar Armor
Dumb cockblocking key quests
The Velious-tuned Magician epic pet roflstomping Kunark
So many classes being worthless on the raid scene
Not even close to enough content for the number of high-level players we have.


etc etc. If I were running the server, I would try and make a few of these changes. Then I'd add a few high-level zones from modern xpacs (like Gates of Discord) after retuning their difficulty and items to match Kunark. I'd borrow scripts from later xpacs to add to the boss strategy a little, like making them spawn guardians or have their abilities change or otherwise make raiding a little bit more challenging than 'put on resist gear and attack'.

But the sign on the door says Classic Everquest, not LoraenQuest or AlartiQuest or (god forbid) TigglesQuest :p

[Flamewraith]

But the sign on the door says Classic Everquest, not LoraenQuest or AlartiQuest or (god forbid) TigglesQuest :p

Loraen +10

[Alarti0001]

That's actually a pretty solid opinion though. Suppose we decide that 5 charges of instant complete heal is pretty ridiculously overpowered (it is). Well, what about:


Hybrid XP penalties
Donals BP
Puppet strings
WC caps
Ridiculously low mana cost of enchanter spells
Shamans getting a damage clicky while Wizards don't
Iksar Planar Armor
Dumb cockblocking key quests
The Velious-tuned Magician epic pet roflstomping Kunark
So many classes being worthless on the raid scene
Not even close to enough content for the number of high-level players we have.


etc etc. If I were running the server, I would try and make a few of these changes. Then I'd add a few high-level zones from modern xpacs (like Gates of Discord) after retuning their difficulty and items to match Kunark. I'd borrow scripts from later xpacs to add to the boss strategy a little, like making them spawn guardians or have their abilities change or otherwise make raiding a little bit more challenging than 'put on resist gear and attack'.

But the sign on the door says Classic Everquest, not LoraenQuest or AlartiQuest or (god forbid) TigglesQuest :p

Making one change is definitely a slippery slope. But there was a reasons some of these changes were made.(some good, some bad).

The sensible thing would be to make this as classic as possible. Since it is impossible to be a fully classic emulation. (Modern PC's, Hoop nerf, VP dragons Quadding ((Any monster quadding)), Foreknowledge of the game)
Likely the single most game breaking mechanic I listed is the foreknowledge one... and there really isn't much you can do about that.

You need to think about "the vision"(tm). I think I can say with great certainty that "the vision" did not include healing for raid bosses with a soulfire.

[Widan]

I think I can say with great certainty that "the vision" did not include healing for raid bosses with a soulfire.

The vision also didn't include using feign death to split mobs...so that's about how useful that argument is.

[Nirgon]

In town guards (notably freeport) are way too easy here vs even on live, makes soulfire completely trivial to obtain

[Sarius]

I'm sure their vision also did not include guilds monopolizing content by having fully buffed alt armies camped out at every raid mob. Slippery slope though.

[bubba]

I would let everyone have a pony with lazerbeam eyes

[Alarti0001]

I'm sure their vision also did not include guilds monopolizing content by having fully buffed alt armies camped out at every raid mob. Slippery slope though.

That is the server fault and nothing to do with gear or code. TMO could easily be challenged. Everyone just chooses not to and begs for rotations.

[Clark]

Tiggles confirmed on suicide watch over losing 1 trak, has not been streaming all day like he was the past week. Someone should reach out to him and let him know its just a game, and there's plenty of other things to live for.


:o

[Sarius]

I'm sure that's it

[Splorf22]

You need to think about "the vision"(tm). I think I can say with great certainty that "the vision" did not include healing for raid bosses with a soulfire.

Hey you'll get no argument from me: it's obvious that 5 charges of instant complete heal is ridiculous. But if you are going to play the vision card, then you are arguing that a whole bunch of nerfs/fixes should come early. Pretty much everything on my list was eventually fixed:


The hybrid XP penalty was removed in velious
The Donal's BP was nerfed in Velious
I believe the recharge bug was eventually fixed, nerfing strings/wc caps
Iksars finally got a set of planar armor and could wear Velious shit
The keys for the Kunark dungeons were swapped for a level cap


And most of these would have a much larger effect than a few soulfire charges here and there.

[Alarti0001]

Hey you'll get no argument from me: it's obvious that 5 charges of instant complete heal is ridiculous. But if you are going to play the vision card, then you are arguing that a whole bunch of nerfs/fixes should come early. Pretty much everything on my list was eventually fixed:


The hybrid XP penalty was removed in velious
The Donal's BP was nerfed in Velious
I believe the recharge bug was eventually fixed, nerfing strings/wc caps
Iksars finally got a set of planar armor and could wear Velious shit
The keys for the Kunark dungeons were swapped for a level cap


And most of these would have a much larger effect than a few soulfire charges here and there.

I dont know when it comes to raiding the only that has a similar affect is the donals BP's. However Soulfire is still a much much greater effect. To try to compare an instant click Complete heal(5 charges) that every member of a raid can click to a Donals BP which is a 20second click that ONLY clerics can use is kinda asinine.

[pharmakos]

I would let everyone have a pony with lazerbeam eyes

[koros]

Honestly if the goal of this server is "classic" I'm not certain why they don't remove ANY change that's non-classic. If the goal is classic, but with leeway for stuff that makes the staff's life easier, then that's a whole different can of worms, and could really be debated endlessly.

[Tasslehofp99]

I dont know when it comes to raiding the only that has a similar affect is the donals BP's. However Soulfire is still a much much greater effect. To try to compare an instant click Complete heal(5 charges) that every member of a raid can click to a Donals BP which is a 20second click that ONLY clerics can use is kinda asinine.

listen to tiggles:

Classic




Anyway, its not as if every member is burning through a soulfire every single engage. We mostly use them sparingly, as far as I've seen. Since you guys have access to our private guild forums and admitted to spending time checking them out, then you should see exactly how many people have gotten soulfires.

Stop being a sore sport over 1 dragon kill that probably would have been a success without soulfires anyway. Killing trakanon with 21 people is not something that's impossible. FE has averaged less raiders than TMO at each mob for a majority of their existence and gotten plenty of kills in the past and probably will continue killing shit in the future.

Please stop trying to change shit because it doesn't suit your zerg style of play, there are already enough rules in place to help TMO (and any guild like them) lock down raid content with ease. Meanwhile smaller guilds burn out faster because the workload to even attempt killing raid mobs is much higher per member on average. This is why I say TMO is bad for the server, not to mention how greedy you guys seem in my eyes.

[Ele]

If you don't have soulfire, you aren't winning test of tactics.

[Alarti0001]

listen to tiggles:






Anyway, its not as if every member is burning through a soulfire every single engage. We mostly use them sparingly, as far as I've seen. Since you guys have access to our private guild forums and admitted to spending time checking them out, then you should see exactly how many people have gotten soulfires.

Stop being a sore sport over 1 dragon kill that probably would have been a success without soulfires anyway. Killing trakanon with 21 people is not something that's impossible. FE has averaged less raiders than TMO at each mob for a majority of their existence and gotten plenty of kills in the past and probably will continue killing shit in the future.

Please stop trying to change shit because it doesn't suit your zerg style of play, there are already enough rules in place to help TMO (and any guild like them) lock down raid content with ease. Meanwhile smaller guilds burn out faster because the workload to even attempt killing raid mobs is much higher per member on average. This is why I say TMO is bad for the server, not to mention how greedy you guys seem in my eyes.


Dont be an idiot..... this isnt about you its about a mechanic. I dont want to be able to soulfire down raids in velious either.

[Sarius]

You won't need to with a Zerg army. Smaller guilds will do what they have to in order to kill raid mobs in the rare event that TMO does not get then. A Soulfire is a much cheaper alternative to buying a Donals BP from a guild that has been farming Trak for over a year.

[pharmakos]

A Soulfire is a much cheaper alternative to buying a Donals BP from a guild that has been farming Trak for over a year.

oh? which guild is it that's been making money off of selling Donals BPs? ;)

[heartbrand]

Never used soulfires for pve mobs on red dunno wtf is going on here on blue

[Razdeline]

TMO mad about hoops, of which lifetaps were classic in respect to resisting on dragons/raid bosses, and now this. Indeed. Shocking!

[quido]

I think Tasslehoff claiming they prefer to do things with less numbers is hysterical. For a while there, FE zerg recruited and was consistently fielding way more raiders than TMO. When these people caught on to what a mismanaged bunch of goons FE was, they started to disappear.

FE would take every single member they can get. Don't sit here and say you prefer your low count just because you alienated enough people to hinder your recruitment.

[Razdeline]

Soulfires wont get changed, going to need to re-examine your raid tactics, and well, play better.

[Razdeline]

Just train'em if all else fails

[Splorf22]

I dont know when it comes to raiding the only that has a similar affect is the donals BP's. However Soulfire is still a much much greater effect. To try to compare an instant click Complete heal(5 charges) that every member of a raid can click to a Donals BP which is a 20second click that ONLY clerics can use is kinda asinine.

Even if FE got a soulfire every 8 hours like clockwork that is only 1.6 complete heals per hour. Comparing that to a Donal's BP which can CH every 20 seconds is kinda asinine.

[Tasslehofp99]

I think Tasslehoff claiming they prefer to do things with less numbers is hysterical. For a while there, FE zerg recruited and was consistently fielding way more raiders than TMO. When these people caught on to what a mismanaged bunch of goons FE was, they started to disappear.

FE would take every single member they can get. Don't sit here and say you prefer your low count just because you alienated enough people to hinder your recruitment.

Just train'em if all else fails

He does, regularly.

[falkun]

The keys for the Kunark dungeons were swapped for a level cap
I dont know when it comes to raiding the only that has a similar affect is the donals BP's.
Can you seriously say that with a straight face? Even if the level cap was L60, you'd have a much different game on your hands if they could just walk into VP. There's a reason TMO still kills Trak: to control the generation of VP keys. You don't want others in the zone, and its easy to keep them out with 1 mob.
However Soulfire is still a much much greater effect. To try to compare an instant click Complete heal(5 charges) that every member of a raid can click to a Donals BP which is a 20second click that ONLY clerics can use is kinda asinine.
TMO will already be BPing down every Velious mob they have access to come V-day. You'll have a massive force (I'm guessing 100+ for release day), 10+ clerics (way more than necessary for ANY Velious encounter), and all of them will be BPed, so they can CH ad infinitum. About as un-classic as it gets, considering most zones would start de-syncing once you had more than ~50 characters in a zone. Let alone what any other players/guilds bring to the zone.

[Alarti0001]

Can you seriously say that with a straight face? Even if the level cap was L60, you'd have a much different game on your hands if they could just walk into VP. There's a reason TMO still kills Trak: to control the generation of VP keys. You don't want others in the zone, and its easy to keep them out with 1 mob.

TMO will already be BPing down every Velious mob they have access to come V-day. You'll have a massive force (I'm guessing 100+ for release day), 10+ clerics (way more than necessary for ANY Velious encounter), and all of them will be BPed, so they can CH ad infinitum. About as un-classic as it gets, considering most zones would start de-syncing once you had more than ~50 characters in a zone. Let alone what any other players/guilds bring to the zone.

If that is why we kill Trak... why do we kill Gore? We kill trak for Mana Robes, Donals BP's, and for fun.

This is my point. This server can't be fully classic, so the "its classic" defense doesn't make sense. I don't care if Donals BP's get nerfed.

[Alarti0001]

Even if FE got a soulfire every 8 hours like clockwork that is only 1.6 complete heals per hour. Comparing that to a Donal's BP which can CH every 20 seconds is kinda asinine.

I know you don't raid, but it seems to me you are trying to compare total heal amt's.

This is your argument, really? The shitty thing about Soulfire's is they trivialize an encounter, NOT all encounters simultaneously.
Try again plz

[falkun]

The server can have Classic mechanics, or a Classic environment, but with the extended release schedule P99 cannot be both. The server is trying unsuccessfully to ride the fence between the two.

I also did not say TMO did not kill Trak for fun, and you can have fun denying content to other guilds, as Cecily already alludes to:
It's kinda the same thing I think. Loot denial to the competition. You guys just have something else fun to do with the stuff you get. A 20 Trakanon kill streak has the same psychological impact as getting your corpse camped I'd imagine. It's just a slower way to be mean.
Yes.
Are you arguing "fun" and "VP key denial" are mutually exclusive?

[Alarti0001]

The server can have Classic mechanics, or a Classic environment, but with the extended release schedule P99 cannot be both. The server is trying unsuccessfully to ride the fence between the two.

I also did not say TMO did not kill Trak for fun, and you can have fun denying content to other guilds, as Cecily already alludes to:


Are you arguing "fun" and "VP key denial" are mutually exclusive?

"cherry picking"

[Deanob]

Soulfire = classic

dont like it? there's the door.

[Alarti0001]

Soulfire = classic

dont like it? there's the door.

appeal to tradition.

[falkun]

"cherry picking"
So instead of answering a simple question, you attempt to skirt the issue.
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appeal to tradition.

If you're going to cite logical fallacies, make sure you understand them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

The server's stated intent ("Classic Everquest" - read as "as Classic as possible given client limitations and other factors") is why people are arguing for Classic mechanics, not out of love for Classic mechanics over love of the server (I'd gladly take no EXP penalty for hybrids, advanced tracking windows, and compass, thanks very much).

By definition, this is not a logical fallacy, and it is laughable that you would pretend this is an appeal to tradition fallacy.

Idiots who try to pretend they understand rhetoric are the worst kind of idiots.

[Bantam 1]

I think anyone who has any experience in classic EQ knows this:

For the sake of this thread/arguement: The Donals BP is the same as a Soulfire for trivializing content. Anyone arguing that its not is failing to realize with a little research that TMO likely has a lot of Donals BPs and 60 clerics...

So arguing that Soulfires trivialize content and Donals BP doesn't is basically saying that you don't want to change the status quo.

Soulfires = upstart guild tool. Absolutely 100% classic.

[falkun]

But Bantam, TMO wants competition! Why would they want to (unclassically) get rid of tools for upstart guilds?

FYI: Alarti, this question is rhetorical.

[Tecmos Deception]

I think anyone who has any experience in classic EQ knows this:

For the sake of this thread/arguement: The Donals BP is the same as a Soulfire for trivializing content. Anyone arguing that its not is failing to realize with a little research that TMO likely has a lot of Donals BPs and 60 clerics...

So arguing that Soulfires trivialize content and Donals BP doesn't is basically saying that you don't want to change the status quo.

Soulfires = upstart guild tool. Absolutely 100% classic.

Who wants to place bets on whether TMO clerics even use their donals in raids for anything except healing someone who stones/cannis down during buffing?

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Who wants to place bets on whether TMO clerics even use their donals in raids for anything except healing someone who stones/cannis down during buffing?


You don't need to do a CH rotation is the mob is 32k and dies in seconds. I'd wager they only care about Donals because they sell so nicely.