no level bracket restriction on dispell

[Zade]

Level 1s dispelling level 60s and vice versa. watched it happen in game

[kaos057]

That's actually how it's supposed to be. Dispells are not considered detrimental. Any level should be able to cast on any level and it should be the same on blue even outside arenas and duels.

I played on a blue server on live and used to piss my friend off by dispelling his buffs.

[Zade]

hmm interesting

[Nizzarr]

That's actually how it's supposed to be. Dispells are not considered detrimental. Any level should be able to cast on any level and it should be the same on blue even outside arenas and duels.

I played on a blue server on live and used to piss my friend off by dispelling his buffs.

You need to be grouped to dispel on blue servers. It should be the same restrictions on red. Dispels are detrimental when cast on anything but group members. When cast on group members it is not considered detrimental.

No, level 1 dispelling level 60 isnt how it should be. This will be mighty annoying and hopefully not fixed in 6 months.

[Bazia]

suppose to follow same rules as bind

[Nirgon]

Zade this is not RNF forum

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg?3000e4

[kaos057]

You need to be grouped to dispel on blue servers. It should be the same restrictions on red. Dispels are detrimental when cast on anything but group members. When cast on group members it is not considered detrimental.

No, level 1 dispelling level 60 isnt how it should be. This will be mighty annoying and hopefully not fixed in 6 months.

100% false

[big league chew]

dispelling ghoul lord in lguk (red) didn't pull him, he just stayed on throne getting dispelled

not sure if classic but seems weird

[kaos057]

Dispel is a beneficial spell. It doesn't change to detrimental if cast on someone outside of group. I don't know how it is on live now but before raids existed you could cast it on someone outside of group to remove quite a few things.

[kaos057]

But yes dispel does suck that way and it should be changed. Even if I am right that sucks and shouldn't be how it is!

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

only time i have ever encountered this issue is when my naked portbot was slaying bulletproofx at like level 45 and gloinzz(60 wiz) kept dispelling my roots off of him

however i still netted the kill because i'm a professional everquest player

dispel needs to be looked at anyways because it's been made 100% unresistable(which is correct) but ruins things like highsun, making them unresistable because of the dispel component when it should be very, very resistable due to the stun and shadowstep components

get null on the case

o wait

[hagard]

get null on the case


god where in the fuk did null go
give us some broken fuk resists then leave for good???

[SamwiseRed]

dispelling ghoul lord in lguk (red) didn't pull him, he just stayed on throne getting dispelled

not sure if classic but seems weird

lol no, not classic for sure. this is why i dont think dispells should be 0 hate. makes no sense. i wonder if they changed it cuz someone posted some shit the other day about dispelling causing too much agro.

[Nirgon]

Dispels need a big rework too btw.

I started a thread on it but its based on memory.

People over on the over side of the project tracks readily remembered and implemented the changes based on that discussion.

Gotta give a little to the community when they come to you with knowledge that there's no way the way back machine/old boards can truly bolster.

[Nizzarr]

100% false

go to eqmac and try dispelling people not in your group, tell me how that goes

[p-niner]

I like how eqmac is the func spec for eq classic. Clowns.

Hey go to loz and tell me how something works. Thats evidence rite?

[Nizzarr]

I like how eqmac is the func spec for eq classic. Clowns.

Hey go to loz and tell me how something works. Thats evidence rite?

It is pretty close to the era were using yes.

Guess where they are going for most velious quest?

[Sundawg]

go to eqmac and try dispelling people not in your group, tell me how that goes

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=575307&postcount=5

[SamwiseRed]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=575307&postcount=5

damn thats crazy

[kaos057]

How reliable is eqmac for info anyway? If something was supposed to work a certain way but was bugged, does eqmac have that bug or does it work the way it was originally intended?

[kaos057]

ooh just found this:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-1999.html

December 21, 1999
------------------------------
- In addition, it is now possible to cast Cancel Magic on non-grouped
players on the PvP and PvP-teams servers.

[Nirgon]

If they are in your level range

[kaos057]

If they are in your level range

Its a beneficial spell. Cure poison isn't restricted to any level range.

[kaos057]

Were there even pvp level restrictions back then?

[Technique]

Its a beneficial spell. It's irrelevant what kind of spell Dispel is flagged as. If it were governed by the same rules as other beneficial spells then it never would've been usable against mobs.

Dispel's potentially dual purpose is why it required the caster to be grouped with the target, because the system can't infer player intent. Later they realized that the environment on the PvP servers necessitated a special rule to allow the spell to also be used in a harmful context against other players.

This isn't difficult to understand.

[Nirgon]

Were there even pvp level restrictions back then?

Yes day 1 RZ had 4 levels to the end of its classic days.

You had to be in level range else you were protected.

Dueling was a work around.

[Nirgon]

Its a beneficial spell. Cure poison isn't restricted to any level range.

No it wasn't treated like that on PvP servers. I assure you good sir.

If you spammed an egg shaped on someone who conned blue but wasn't in your range, you got no effect.

If you saw "so and so looks dispelled" you started your nuke.

[p-niner]

You need to be grouped to dispel on blue servers. It should be the same restrictions on red. Dispels are detrimental when cast on anything but group members. When cast on group members it is not considered detrimental.

No, level 1 dispelling level 60 isnt how it should be. This will be mighty annoying and hopefully not fixed in 6 months.

go to eqmac and try dispelling people not in your group, tell me how that goes


I like how eqmac is the func spec for eq classic. Clowns

Hey go to loz and tell me how something works. Thats evidence rite?.

ooh just found this:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-1999.html

Looks like 1-60 range dispelling is classic and here to stay

[heartbrand]

I don't care what allakhazam links people post, I did nothing but grief during live and you could not pell people or else I would've been pelling everyone's charm pets 24/7

[p-niner]

Friedchicken was pelling my charmed elephants in south karana while out of range of me. Thats been in game since day 1.

UNless im remembering wrong and he was pelling snares off npcs either way was funny

[Nirgon]

You can dispel people out of group added to PvP servers.

Does it HAVE to mention level restriction?

You people need to have a stronger comprehension on what is actually being implemented given a rule set.

[p-niner]

I for 1 think the no level range makes newbie zones way funner. Party on.

[kaos057]

You can dispel people out of group added to PvP servers.

Does it HAVE to mention level restriction?

You people need to have a stronger comprehension on what is actually being implemented given a rule set.

So then you are saying that dispells never worked before this patch? Could you only dispell in pvp if you were grouped? I highly doubt it. Before this patch you could not dispell anyone outside of pvp range unless you were grouped. After this patch you no longer needed to group. It's not rocket science.

[Nirgon]

No it's classic EverQuest PvP and I won't be told how this worked otherwise

If you tried to annul magic someone's lowbie twink they were PLing, it wouldn't land

Nor would any other aggressive spell

[Bazia]

Dispell is considered beneficial not detrimental therefore it is usable on anyone, any level.

Confirmed by eqmac working as intended.

[Nirgon]

Ask Zyrino , Chuckles, or Kringe

[Potus]

I was a giant griefing asshole on Vallon Zek from its birth until Planes of Power. You were not allowed to dispel people outside of your pvp level range. It wasn't considered a beneficial spell, it was considered harmful.

Sorry, if this were around during ye olde live days I would have been dispelling the shit out of so many people.

[hagard]

If it were beneficial you couldn't use it to pull, no?

[Malevz]

Can chain dispel casting mobs, who then rebuff themselves, repeat til out of mana. Mobs with big nukes no longer so tough. Out of range dispellers can be brought for pvp now, dispel people with no threat to themselves. Shits classic.

[Colgate]

i require a level 5 squire bard to be constantly emptying pumices onto me at all times

[p-niner]

I keep annul loaded at all times to pell random newbies enjoying their buffs or people with sow and no jboots

[Silikten]

Dispel was able to be cast on all people within level range. As once they attain the level range they are PVP enabled. Having this enabled for all levels puts a ridiculous amount of stress on a victim for any low level pvp with people out of range dispelling all your buffs/run-speeds. Not to mention a bard selo'ing an over-geared poorly played alt while dispelling his victim's buffs.

Also, retti, I was dispelling your mobs not your pet!