Melee vs Melee what classes are good?

[Spike Spiegel]

When it comes to end game pvp with both players being well geared...and assuming one of them doesn't straight suck, which classes are strongest in PVP against one another?

I mean like Monk vs Pally, Pally vs SK, SK vs Monk, Monk vs Warrior, Monk vs Rogue

Stuff like that?

In kunark and in velious?

Thinks like lay hands and harm touch should be accounted for.

Im just curious what you guys think, or if your a monk what melee you would prefer not to encounter, or if you're a warrior what melee you would rather not encounter.

I know thousand blows is insanely powerful here, and the skean proc is too right? But maybe discuss how the classes work with and without those procs or if they were more reasonable.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

as a monk the only thing i have second thoughts about fighting is a competent warrior and a mage with an earth/epic pet

[Spike Spiegel]

How come a warrior is more a threat than a brave paladin with lay hands, or a mean nasty stinky shadow knight with harm touch?

I really appreciate your pro tips by the way.

Also do you think any of this will change with new velious items or would the only thing possibly change it is some kinda nerf to your awesome power?

[Fentanyl]

Monk, rogue and monk. Oh and monk and rogue, and monk.

[Spike Spiegel]

What class do you play Fentanyl that you don't like to face monks and rogues? What makes other melees less a threat?

[Zalaerian]

prob cause a roges dmg is retarded and monks have tstaff

[p-niner]

pally strong but if ur talking end game most resists are high enough to make their stun and root obsolete, and they have low damage and no triple attack

shadowknight much better in group fights than solo because of HT nuke, even more so with velious disc, same thing as pally when it comes to snare resist

pallies and shadowknights if talented could probably win a lot of 1v1s jousting and just out sustaining with the heals/taps tho so hard to say

warrior triples/riposte/crits/discs very scary

rogues backstab nuke on low cooldown + poison + disc very scary

[p-niner]

monks have tstaff

and this server lets them first swing proc an 18second unresistable game over that reapplies on the next few swings

not sure why it still even exists on this box.

[Spike Spiegel]

These are some awesome pro tips guys. Thanks a lot

[Spike Spiegel]

So is T staff so powerful compared to Skean because it is a 2 hander with a good ratio rather than a 1 hander with a pretty suck ratio?

We can all agree that T staff is overpowered so please lets not make this thread all about that. Monk is super strong regardless of T staff

[p-niner]

skean is offhand proc, just as gay but since offhand less scary than tstaff

[Spike Spiegel]

Also can I ask u guys financial advice?

O shoot I never noticed that Skean was actually secondary only.

Also - if rogue and monk are biggest threats - how come Colgate says he isn't feared of running into a rogue? None skilled enough or what?

[p-niner]

financial advice?

H&R block has FAQ section

[Spike Spiegel]

Financial advice is joke Spike Spiegel always gets by + with style.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

skean always used in offhand meaning half chance to proc, it's poison based so it gets resisted -sometimes-

tstaff seems to have a ridiculously high proc rate compared to other weapons, does 80 damage, unresistable, monks scary but if i get tstaffed i just voiddance and shrug it off

i haven't seen any good paladins in action on this server, p sure if tarwine played he'd shit on kids all day though

none of the high level shadowknights pvp at all for some weird reason, harm touch is nice but when you don't have it you're just meh

warriors are terrifying because even if you're raping them, you get them to that 40% berserker frenzy threshold and they equip an oggok cleaver, mighty strike, and you're dead in 1-2 auto attack rounds

one time had ordaga tstaffed 3 times in a row for over a minute, i was at 100%, got him to 33% even after innerflame because retarded AC, mitigation, and hp, he equips executioner blade and doesn't even disc but gets a lucky crippling blow round on me for 750 + 220 and then another free round of 200 + 200 because of the stun, at which point i'm at like 30-40% hp

had he disced and gotten a single round on me i'd have been dead

[Sektor]

Keep in mind as a warrior/rogue/monk you have no channeling, so if a melee does any damage to you, your pumice gets interrupted. I'd suggest if you can stick it out, go Dwarf Paladin. Once you get a Deepwater helm at 45+ you'll be able to solo no problem.

[runlvlzero]

No one mentioned war disciplines, their version of HT/LoH

Paly and SK are very strong, but war generally can hold its own if on even footing just because of better overall melee skills and criples a FM pally/w loh up is a big threat to a war..

SK spells can be dodged interrupted.

So can pally heals, but not as effectively if they can get range on ya.

[big league chew]

none of the high level shadowknights pvp at all for some weird reason, harm touch is nice but when you don't have it you're just meh

? most of the high level shadowknights you mean

[p-niner]

No one mentioned war disciplines, their version of HT/LoH

Paly and SK are very strong, but war generally can hold its own if on even footing just because of better overall melee skills and criples a FM pally/w loh up is a big threat to a war..

SK spells can be dodged interrupted.

So can pally heals, but not as effectively if they can get range on ya.

several posts say the words warrior and disc together

sheriffsrs

[Zalaerian]

So is T staff so powerful compared to Skean because it is a 2 hander with a good ratio rather than a 1 hander with a pretty suck ratio?

We can all agree that T staff is overpowered so please lets not make this thread all about that. Monk is super strong regardless of T staff

its a terrible ratio for jousting, the proc is just nuts. Not sure if Ton Pos was ever put in on R99 but that literally would be the scariest fucking thing to fight (44/40, same proc as tstaff)

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

think one dropped on the blue server and they removed it from trakanon's loot table

[Spike Spiegel]

That's what I heard.

Colgate - how come rogues don't threaten your monkliness?

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

because i know how to joust against a rogue, 1 tstaff proc and he's dead whereas if i get skeaned i'll just voiddance

[p-niner]

tstaff proc switch ifs

gg

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

tstaff still better dps than an ifs, ifs only better for jousting

[p-niner]

innerflame ifs tho

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

just 100% damage increase which would effect tstaff

tstaff has slightly better ratio and the proc is 80 damage, happens all the time

[Agatha]

as a monk the only thing i have second thoughts about fighting is a competent warrior and a mage with an earth/epic pet

you summoned meeee?

[runlvlzero]

I Ctrl F disc and didnt see shite... fuck firefox and search shit in general

[SamwiseRed]

you can level a rogue and be in VP collecting gear in about 2 days /played.

[Spike Spiegel]

What do you mean samwise? sign me up

[SamwiseRed]

nihilumguild.com

[Spike Spiegel]

I can't level that fast + they aren't offering PL's to people without good blue credentials on blue server showing many years /played

I think u was just joking.

[runlvlzero]

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[hagard]

you can level a rogue and be in VP collecting gear in about 2 days /played.

I lold

[Knuckle]

I'm not going to give any advice here, but a good Warrior against an equal skilled rogue/monk should always win unless you literally stay stunned 100-0. Luckily im on my own level so my rogue should be wrecking monks and warriors aplenty.

[Knuckle]

When it comes to end game pvp with both players being well geared...and assuming one of them doesn't straight suck, which classes are strongest in PVP against one another?

I mean like Monk vs Pally, Pally vs SK, SK vs Monk, Monk vs Warrior, Monk vs Rogue

Stuff like that?

In kunark and in velious?

Thinks like lay hands and harm touch should be accounted for.

Im just curious what you guys think, or if your a monk what melee you would prefer not to encounter, or if you're a warrior what melee you would rather not encounter.

I know thousand blows is insanely powerful here, and the skean proc is too right? But maybe discuss how the classes work with and without those procs or if they were more reasonable.

Hybrids should always win an outdoor zone, period.

[Vile]

Hybrids should always win an outdoor zone, period.

or never die :)

[Bazia]

Big Vile outrunning level 60 sow while spamming jboots

shit's classic

[SamwiseRed]

u still playing red basiah?