View Full Version : NPC Spawn Issue: Silverwing and the Scimitar of Lifestealing
Splorf22
06-20-2013, 12:00 PM
I have not seen one of these drop in the 3-4 months since I have been in VP with TMO, and I have seen pretty much every other drop.
If I am doing my math right, that is at least 15 Silverwings (including repops), 3 drops each on average, and about a 90% chance not to drop the Scimitar, so 45^0.9 = < 1% chance for 0 scimitars.
We just had one drop on the 11th of June. Grats Luchino!
quido
06-20-2013, 12:09 PM
Isn't the proc broken anyways, because of the hoop nerf?
heartbrand
06-20-2013, 12:14 PM
I've seen many of these rot on red
Happyfeet
06-20-2013, 12:24 PM
Isn't the proc broken anyways, because of the hoop nerf?
Spirit tap is blocked in general in VP because of the hooptaloot. So the scimi doesn't proc there lol. On top of Lifetaps just being gimpified, they should be basically lure.
They are exceedingly rare, however. 11 in 15 months. so 11 out of 60 Silverwings...
06/11/13 Silverwing 1.00
04/19/13 Silverwing 1.00
11/12/12 Silverwing 1.00
11/12/12 Silverwing 1.00
10/16/12 Silverwing 1.00
09/15/12 Silverwing 1.00
07/20/12 Silverwing 1.00
05/26/12 Silverwing 1.00
05/18/12 Silverwing 1.00
01/26/12 Silverwing 1.00
01/09/12 Silverwing 1.00
nilbog
06-20-2013, 12:42 PM
I have not seen one of these drop in the 3-4 months since I have been in VP with TMO, and I have seen pretty much every other drop.
If I am doing my math right, that is at least 15 Silverwings (including repops), 3 drops each on average, and about a 90% chance not to drop the Scimitar, so 45^0.9 = < 1% chance for 0 scimitars.
It actually has a higher chance on the lootdrop than some of the other items. Bad luck on your part I think.
Isn't the proc broken anyways, because of the hoop nerf?
The spirit tap from ivandyr's hoop is blocked in VP. The scimitar was not intended to be the same. Fixed, pending update.
Spirit tap is blocked in general in VP because of the hooptaloot. So the scimi doesn't proc there lol. On top of Lifetaps just being gimpified, they should be basically lure.
As stated above, only the hoop tap was intended to be nerfed; the scimitar proc will be fixed with next patch. Lifetaps in general have era-appropriate resists though, to my knowledge. There are other threads about this.
Splorf22
06-20-2013, 03:24 PM
I only missed a few but, I guess I missed the ones with it :( Oh well, sorry for wasting your time nilbog
heartbrand
06-21-2013, 09:27 AM
Out of curiosity nilbog where did you get your drop rates from for differing items on VP tables? VP wasn't done very much while current so I'm curious as to what source you're using to determine rarity etc
Aeolwind
06-22-2013, 10:55 AM
Out of curiosity nilbog where did you get your drop rates from for differing items on VP tables? VP wasn't done very much while current so I'm curious as to what source you're using to determine rarity etc
I'm looking into these as I get time/inclination. There are some duplicate drops that shouldn't be there, some drops that may not supposed to be there at all, and some drop rates that need fixing. There are other issues as well.
In the end, I don't think anyone will be pleased.
Except the dev staff, Ele and Nirgon of course.
heartbrand
06-22-2013, 11:25 AM
Where do you guys get info on drop rates from tho? It's not as if verant ever released them and you can't go by what players said since it was done so rarely and the loot tables are so large you could have scenarios like this thread where the scimitar appears incredibly rare but is actually quite common.
Holey
06-22-2013, 11:25 AM
it doesnt drop no more! LEGACY WEAPON!?!?!? woohoo i haveo ne :P
Where do you guys get info on drop rates from tho? It's not as if verant ever released them and you can't go by what players said since it was done so rarely and the loot tables are so large you could have scenarios like this thread where the scimitar appears incredibly rare but is actually quite common.
How do you think?
In the end, I don't think anyone will be pleased.
Except the dev staff, Ele and Nirgon of course.
:)
Splorf22
06-22-2013, 01:09 PM
I'm looking into these as I get time/inclination. There are some duplicate drops that shouldn't be there, some drops that may not supposed to be there at all, and some drop rates that need fixing. There are other issues as well.
In the end, I don't think anyone will be pleased.
Except the dev staff, Ele and Nirgon of course.
I don't understand why all stuff doesn't drop with equal chance. It would take a huge amount of evidence to really conclude with high probability that they had different chances.
Also I assume by duplicate drops you mean stuff like the Seance/Deathspeaker staves, Robes of Asphyxiation/Smothering? Or like how some of the static strike swords drop from both Druushk and Hosh?
nilbog
06-22-2013, 01:31 PM
I don't understand why all stuff doesn't drop with equal chance.
It does. Out of the 11 drops Silverwing has, 10 are 9%, 1 is 10% (Scimitar). Just how it rolled when I made them originally. It does have a higher chance though :P
As far as modifying rarity beyond that point, if sufficient evidence can be provided, we'll change them. If not, we won't.
heartbrand
06-22-2013, 02:03 PM
I have mental recollection that crown of rile is a 99% drop, plz fix asap
Littlegyno 9.0
06-22-2013, 04:54 PM
I have mental recollection that crown of rile is a 99% drop, plz fix asap
can confirm. Did VP one time on RZ before Velious and got Crown of Rile. Therefore 99% drop rate.
getsome
06-22-2013, 05:18 PM
We got two off one sw. Feb 2012.
Littlegyno 9.0
06-22-2013, 07:21 PM
On a serious note, I think it's reasonable to give every item off a particular VP dragon an equal chance of dropping because nobody did know the rarity rates.
I think there may be a problem with the more shit loot dropping more currently, such as Deathspeaker staffs and the like.
Aeolwind
06-22-2013, 09:44 PM
I 'know' some of the rares, like Shissar Apothic Staff, Trorsmang, Azure Sky, Scimi, etc. Some guilds got super lucky. Others (like mine) got screwed.
Easy to call rares like Belt of the Destroyer however, are NO problem to quantify. Due to the insanely small sampling that VP got on live, it is really hard to say what was rare. Most if not all the items were listed in short order.
Splorf22
06-22-2013, 11:34 PM
I 'know' some of the rares, like Shissar Apothic Staff, Trorsmang, Azure Sky, Scimi, etc. Some guilds got super lucky. Others (like mine) got screwed.
Easy to call rares like Belt of the Destroyer however, are NO problem to quantify. Due to the insanely small sampling that VP got on live, it is really hard to say what was rare. Most if not all the items were listed in short order.
What I'm saying is I think its fairly hard to really know what is rare. I have been to ~15 Silverwing kills and not seen a single Scimitar of Lifestealing, yet apparently it is the most common item on her loot table!
Aeolwind
06-24-2013, 06:58 PM
What I'm saying is I think its fairly hard to really know what is rare. I have been to ~15 Silverwing kills and not seen a single Scimitar of Lifestealing, yet apparently it is the most common item on her loot table!
The RNG just drove the bad luck bus over you and did a burnout.
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