Pet Healing Threat

[Insedeel]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet (couldn't find anything with search at least), but pets being healed seems to be causing threat on this server, which in classic this was never the case. I remember very specifically grouping with my druid in the PoP era farming gems and stuff in PoGrowth (yes as a druid). The reason I was able to do so is because I would group with my magician friends, and ONLY heal their pets because at the time healing a pet would not generate even a single point of threat (hence I would not get faction hits if I only helped them by healing their pets since I was never technically on the mob's hate list).

Here's a thread on the official SoE forums about this for your proof.
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?&topic_id=86267

At one point in 2006 a patch that went through accidentally started having heals start causing threat when being cast on pets which caused an obvious uproar among the magician community and it was eventually changed so it would at least generate 1 point of threat so people would still take faction hits and still at least get put onto npc hate list instead of the bug which caused full heal threat.

I know we had a pass on pets (or still are) recently to bring them into balance by adding more pet charts for the various levels of pets for each summon and reigned in the level ranges so it wouldn't summon higher level pets than was supposed to be allowed. Without this change to heal threat will cause pets to have a harder time being able to hold agro obviously since sometimes having a lower level pet will cause them to generate less threat do to them having a harder time hitting mobs and not hitting as hard do to being lower level. It's going to be very difficult to manage threat if heals are allowed to generate threat on pets.

Since it never generated threat on pets to heal them in classic, this will need to be changed when you devs have time to get to this, but I figured since you're making a pass on pets anyway atm, it might be worth your time to check into this as well and see if you can stop healing from causing threat on pets while you're at it since this is a classic server.

Thanks for your time devs.

Insedeel

[finalgrunt]

Adding my stone:

Here is a link of a discussion from back then:

http://boardreader.com/thread/Pet_heals_generating_aggro_Stealth_Nerf_3uxcXlfb.h tml

Reports pouring in of healing pet now generating aggro. I thought Koz assured us that the devs said this would not change. This not only means pets will now be banned in groups/raids (don't want group heals generating aggro from hitting all sorts of pets), but now if we get an add while soloing (something magicians aren't very good at in the first place), and you heal your pet, the new mob will...

They refer to Rashere, who was supposed to fix it. He joined EQ team in 2003.

They're also taking about Valik the Cruel which came with Prophecy of Ro (February 2006)

They fixed Clerics not going into combat regen after the TSS release. It was kind of good to be able to heal a pet all day but alas it was fixed. I do hope they fix this and soon my Cleric 2 box is dam handy would not want to have to deal with agro on the Cleric when I die.

[Elissa]

This would be a welcome fix.

[Jify]

I'd also like to take this time to mention that mages didn't have pet heals in classic... or kunark.

[Haynar]

I'd also like to take this time to mention that mages didn't have pet heals in classic... or kunark.
Thanks Jify, I forgot about that. When I fix threat for heals, I will fix the spells too.

Haynar

[Jify]

No problem buddy!

See my "Magician Summary" post for a link to my source.

[Haynar]

I may nor may not take out pet healing for mages. I hate taking it out, then only have to put it back in awhile later. It is not fun making changes multiple times. If there weren't so many other things to fix too, it would be another story.

Haynar

[Jify]

Can we have Swords of Runes that proc on everything too pweez? <3

[Haynar]

Can we have Swords of Runes that proc on everything too pweez? <3
Maybe

[Jify]

Maybe

<3

[Gorgetrapper]

I may nor may not take out pet healing for mages. I hate taking it out, then only have to put it back in awhile later. It is not fun making changes multiple times. If there weren't so many other things to fix too, it would be another story.

Haynar

Not like it matters at this point, it's more mana efficient to resummon a new pet anyway.

[rioisk]

Not like it matters at this point, it's more mana efficient to resummon a new pet anyway.

Depends on what you are killing. A CHEAL on an earth pet with no threat would make a mage/cleric team unstoppable.

[rioisk]

I may nor may not take out pet healing for mages. I hate taking it out, then only have to put it back in awhile later. It is not fun making changes multiple times. If there weren't so many other things to fix too, it would be another story.

Haynar

You put manastones in and then took them out. What makes that more special that sword of rune and no heal threat for pets =P.

[Gorgetrapper]

Depends on what you are killing. A CHEAL on an earth pet with no threat would make a mage/cleric team unstoppable.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the MAGE heal line, it's VERY mana inefficient.

[Jify]

Fire pet + clarity + pet heal = PL lvls 4-30

[Gorgetrapper]

Fire pet = PL lvls 4-30

Fix'd.

[Haynar]

You put manastones in and then took them out. What makes that more special that sword of rune and no heal threat for pets =P.
I am not the you who did that.

Maybe that is where you are confused.

I am me.

Haynar

[Jify]

Haynar, can you add yourself as a deity option?

[Haynar]

Haynar, can you add yourself as a deity option?
Only after I get bard swarm kiting working. There will be little margin for error in my version of swarm kiting, it will be wildly exhilarating, but extremely dangerous.

Haynar

[Insedeel]

Thank you Haynar for taking the time toward looking into this. If pet heals weren't in in classic and kunark (which I believe you're right), then they should be taken away if the devs feel it's worth the time spent, but the pet healing threat change is something that would stay on this server forever since this wasn't changed until TSS on live.

Thanks again Haynar for the work into looking into this!

[finalgrunt]

I'd also like to take this time to mention that mages didn't have pet heals in classic... or kunark.

You'll have to be more precise about this.

Here is a link from allakhazam from July 2000 (which means during Kunark era) talking about renew element:

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=308&page=1&howmany=50#msg11563

8th level Mages LISTEN
Posted: Jul 02 2000 9:04pm

3) Watch you pets life and when it gets to 50%, cast the renew element spell.

[Insedeel]

You'll have to be more precise about this.

Here is a link from allakhazam from July 2000 (which means during Kunark era) talking about renew element:

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=308&page=1&howmany=50#msg11563

Hmm, good catch heh..

[Jify]

Only after I get bard swarm kiting working. There will be little margin for error in my version of swarm kiting, it will be wildly exhilarating, but extremely dangerous.

Haynar

No way! When can we expect this? :)

[Jify]

You'll have to be more precise about this.

Here is a link from allakhazam from July 2000 (which means during Kunark era) talking about renew element:

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=308&page=1&howmany=50#msg11563

Good Catch! My detective skills are lacking. My source was posted in January, 2001, about the heals being available in February. I took it to be 2001, but it should be 2000. Changed my values on the mage issues post. Looks like it was available for Kunark. :)