Request for relaunch

[Aenor]

re-launch box so we can have another week long 600 person pvp battle

Without a beta to burn out huge amt of pop. With fixed npc aggro. Lowbie PvP dreaams

All you would need to do is put up a sticky calling for donations to pay for the hardware and bandwidth and advising that only those who donate will have input into the ruleset.

My suggestion, and I'll be happy to donate if there's a commitment to a new server, would be total FFA. Instead of destroying the server by punishing one guild for the same offenses another guild gets a free pass on, make it a no rules server and stay out of any judgement calls.

[r00t]

I agree nihilum won the pve and foh won the pvp this rendition/wipe/go-around QQ u kno it i kno it next

[runlvlzero]

I disagree. There is a slowly increasing variety of players. Lots of people I have grouped with 1-30 or just chatted with enpassing are not enraptured in the long and sordid history of one guild and their foes. They don't know who to join or what to do yet. They have open minds and with that the power to do something different.

There's plenty room for change and growth. You are looking into the past and trying to predict a long term future. When the very moment is changing before your eyes. Why don't you take a look around. Not on these forums, and see what you are missing because of your dogged focus on <Nihi> and all that entails?

Anyway I disprove of the negativity and inflammatory nature of the OPs post. Nothing so majorly gamebreakingly exploitive has happened that this must be the case. Velious is not even out yet. I can't even tell if those quotes are in context or even meant to be serious.

I like fresh starts. But give it a year, or two.

[Agatha]

wipe it clean.

[Stasis01]

I always thought this would be fun - have like seasons of an ever wiping pvp box, could do classic/kunark/velious change it up etc... 6 months long or whatever, although the exp rate/drop rate would need to be boosted significantly.

Dev/Image would be perfect for some custom ideas for PVP if they had p99 code to build on, and maybe tweak resists/mess around a bit.

The stagnant state of red99 kind of sucks, I always enjoyed new boxes rising and falling.

[pharmakos]

All you would need to do is put up a sticky calling for donations to pay for the hardware and bandwidth and advising that only those who donate will have input into the ruleset.

pretty sure that this wouldn't work, for legal reasons

might sound like there's a loophole because you're calling them "donations," but at that point its pretty obvious that its pay-to-play.

[Shrubwise]

To loosely quote Sirken:

"This isn't VZTZ. We aren't wiping. Ever"

Keep holding your breath though ;)

[runlvlzero]

The only reason I agree a wipe is necessary is to level the playing field of previous corruption across the board.

You underestimate the damage letting one guild get away with murder when other groups can't do the same over even a period of time like a few months.

Nevermind years...

The sheer fact that entire swaths of people are 100% known to have exploited the endgame for a period of time and aren't banned is pathetic.

Then just wipe gear or ban guild. Or guild leaders.

[runlvlzero]

I always thought this would be fun - have like seasons of an ever wiping pvp box, could do classic/kunark/velious change it up etc... 6 months long or whatever, although the exp rate/drop rate would need to be boosted significantly.

Dev/Image would be perfect for some custom ideas for PVP if they had p99 code to build on, and maybe tweak resists/mess around a bit.

Good idea.

[Vile]

box has been great last few weeks... got about 6-7 bros to roll here.. force been good to me and my buddies..

nihilum can be defeated.. pixels don't mean shit.. just roll iksars

[Reddi who?]

we should end beta and go live with red99; I think we've thoroughly tested it up to pre velious.

[marie]

Id play again if there was a wipe. Doesnt even have to be a wipe just start another server, even better, make it item loot.

[Greegon]

wipe it clean.

http://www.masshist.org/objects/cabinet/november2002/hancocksignaturelg.jpg

[Faerie]

They've told us it isn't going to be wiped, and I don't think wiping is a good idea. We would probably lose a handful of players, and once the initial excitement calms down population would be about what it is now, and we'd probably be in the same place with one guild doing all the raid content. Then what, another wipe?

Artificially restarting the game over and over is no way for a legitimate project like this to thrive, imo. It'd be pretty cool if they decided to delete the blue server and start up a teams server, or something, though.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

"legitimate project"

lol

[mtb tripper]

Well well well.. funny seeing you here mr ups man

[Pudge]

I kinda like how vztz would repeatedly wipe. Cleanse the server, a fresh start for everybody! Players can dream of glory and boxy PvP. But it would never happen here :( And the grind is a bitch.

I personally think FFA is best, because ppl can change sides to naturally balance out the guilds to promote optimal PvP, but it seems that has not been the case here... too many bluebs. Therefore, I support a wipe and teams implementation, with three teams. A lot of ppl currently playing blue want teams, and we all know the red players will play anyway regardless of whether it is FFA or not. Cross teaming will happen, (bleh) but maybe only 1 char per IP, or 1 char per verified phone number (!! Scary, definitely deters new players due to reluctance to give out phone # to random internet emu projects) then we could curb some of it. Then further down the line maybe open up a char slot (or second account) for alts, like they did on Sullon.

[Gustoo]

I have too much respect for the players that have suffered through the server and put in hours and hours of play to really support a wipe. Too much /played would be deleted it just aint right.

We can hope for fixed server rules like 4 lvl +- PvP range..item loot possibly randomized so its a kinda gamble when you wear a fungi whether or not you lose it to PvP...but a fresh box is the least likely of all and I understand the reasons no matter how much I'd like to see it.

Pop is going up. Red99 remains best eq experience available anywhere and it is free. Fix NPC aggro so noobs can run to guards when they come here..tinker with resists and change the PvP level range. Let's get this baby optimised.

[Tomato King6]

wipe it clean.

[Faerie]

Since we're all daydreaming, I'd kinda like to see the server slowly split into hardcoded teams. What do you think would happen if one day dark team (dark elves, ogre, trolls, iksar) characters logged in to find they were all removed from their guilds, could no longer group with or receive/give beneficial buffs from/to anyone but other darks, but could still attack each other? Kinda like the opposite of VZ crossteaming; hardcoded teams without the safety of their own team.

And the devs could get all RP about it. I bet population would go up. Then when the novelty started to wear off, they could do it again with the humans (who all decided to go to war against short team for their subtle "tiny doors/housing" trolling). And then after a while of having things like that, elf team would split off from the elf/short alliance because dwarves contribute so much to global warming, and the gnomes refuse to give up their practice of necromancy.

And finally, after all of that, the teams become real teams that cannot attack their own.

[Grampy]

I have to admit a wipe interests me. Now that I'm in my mid 20s having never grouped a single time I'm growing bored.

[runlvlzero]

FoH needs a server with level cap 20 to stay interested =P

**edit (Let me rephrase this)

FoH would do best on a sever level capped 20. They can do just fine on any server. But would thrive at 20 level cap.

I would also have a toon on a 20 capped server, or a discord server.

[Aenor]

At that point its pretty obvious that its pay-to-play.

It isn't pay to play, it's pay to suggest.

[Aenor]

To loosely quote Sirken:

"This isn't VZTZ. We aren't wiping. Ever"

Who said anything about a wipe? Why would you need new server hardware and additional bandwidth for a wipe?

[big league chew]

wipe my dick on the curtains

[Aenor]

Facts:

1. If a sticky were put up with a promise of a new PvP server if sufficient donations were received to support it for a period of two years, a sufficient amount of donations would be received in less than a month.

2. If a second PvP server was launched, it would have a population in the hundreds for a period of months and would be a blast.

3. If a second PvP server was launched, the existing PvP server would be a ghost town.

4. Having selectively enforced the rules to the benefit of certain peeps on this server, the devs won't do this because it would take away the tiny audience that is left for those people.

[Aenor]

To get around any questions of pay to play, the sticky could simply say, when you send your paypal donation, please include a comment regarding what sort of ruleset you would like to see on the new server. Don't promise any specific return. Leave it unspoken that those who donate will have greater influence.

[runlvlzero]

I have reading comprehension issues. I get what you want now. If you can't get the code for free, might as well donate for the custom backend code... P.S. Emu server code is not owned by sony... so donating for that ... should not be an issue. Technically.

Lots of precedent, microsoft thought they owned the entire BSD TCIP stack, not so. Because of some netbios bullshit that was copypasted or something (I am not a nerd historian expert, someone could probably elaborate, but the idea is the same). But big legal defense fees have kept Redhat, IBM, and Novell down =/

On the other hand an MIT license on emu back end might get the project big enough so it could support an emulator IBM of sorts. It might not even be a problem for Sony, more like an issue with the license of the server code itself... I never looked into it.

But if R99 emu was forked open source it would be unstoppable, no one could end it. The project will never make big money though because of those issues. It will always be in the realm of Non Profit - hobby coding only -. Most of the tweaks are database and non-code anyway. "Game Rules" cannot be copyrighted. http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html and those dbase entries are "devices" used to play the games AFAIK (or care to argue)

P.S. I'm glad someone likes messing with emu as a hobby. Thanks =)

[Faerie]

I doubt they would release a second pvp server when the one they already have doesn't do well. Probably have more luck getting them to release a second blue server :(

[Tomato King6]

I think they will just do what they always do , laugh in your faces and do nothing for another 6 months

[Shrubwise]

I think they will just do what they always do , laugh in your faces and do nothing for another 6 months

Yet you continue to re-roll time and time again.
>>Check the definition of insanity.

[Reddi who?]

lets end this beta test and go live

[Gustoo]

lets end this beta test and go live

Yep.

A new server without broken would be really popular. I have a lot of time invested in this one..but I'd throw it away in favor of a server with vitality.

As it stands our shot at a healthy PvP server seems like a miss..and based on p99's adamant devotion to not wiping all we can do is make the most of it. Its still a good server. As commisioner gordon said "its the server the pvp community deserves, but not the one it needs right now."

[big league chew]

weeks 1-2 were the best weeks ever

[Nirgon]

Killing snakes, delivering mail, killing people delivering mail

[Agatha]

if the server reset, what class would you guys roll? id have to say i'd probably make a....mage.

[Faerie]

Another cleric! Maybe rogue alt.

Cleric would be:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=991853&postcount=21

Rogue might be half elf of Erollisi, or Tunare wood elf. Maybe Half elf Bertox. Or Dark Elf Innoruuk.

Faerie is fully immersed :)

[Shrubwise]

Server's first rage quit in your pic there, Bamzal? Or was this after Illi?

[big league chew]

peace
no im out
lost my bonechips i quit

[runlvlzero]

Cleric again, or war, or maybe stick with wiz, or maybe rogue, god thats the problem with resetting the server. Or maybe even druid to help noobs ...

[Hamburgalur]

You guys should make new characters instead of asking everyone else to reroll along with you.

[runlvlzero]

naked char xfer delevel to 40 would be legit, and these guys are asking for a new server launch not to force the server reset. Also a box were you could roll a 40 toon with velious enabled would be pretty fun with normal xp. Still take like a month to hit 60 and get full gear for casuals.

It don't really matter though for poopsockers because they will always be level 60 and have their PL crew fully built by the time they hit 1 weak in. No matter the rules, or server.

[Sirken]

To loosely quote Sirken:
"This isn't VZTZ. We aren't wiping. Ever"
Keep holding your breath though ;)

They've told us it isn't going to be wiped,

I doubt they would release a second pvp server when the one they already have doesn't [hit 200 players]

..and based on p99's adamant devotion to not wiping all we can do is make the most of it. Its still a good server. As commisioner gordon said "its the server the pvp community deserves, but not the one it needs right now."


listen to these people^

[runlvlzero]

Oh I know all that, and I think they do too, but I was trying to re-derail thread to alternative rule sets again.

[Faerie]

re-derail thread to alternative rule sets again.

FV no drop rules. Everyone starts out blue, turns red when attacking players (except reds). Red players can have items looted even from bags, blue players only have money taken. Red flag lasts 3+ days, extended for every point of damage done to blue players (up to 3 weeks or something).

[Faerie]

Hardcore FFA RP-PvP server:

GMs give long-lasting (like a week maybe) debuffs to players they catch breaking character. Like nerf their melee damage into oblivion, or double their spell casting time.

[Faerie]

How 'bout a server with YT for good deeds, instead of pvp kills?

[Faerie]

YT news: "Faerie <Serenity> has just teleported Newbie <> for a corpse run, without charging anything!"

And ooc would be filled with congratulations and praise.

[runlvlzero]

I like FV loot rules, not sure about looting bags, but item loot is good and I think it should be 3 days game time not 3 days irl maybe 1.5 days irl... yeah people can pk, log and abuse a system like that... or just FFA pvp still we dont need to support a blue population KSing mobs that are un pkable

[big league chew]

permadeath + electric shock

[Tomato King6]

Faerie posting frenzy

LOL @ electric shock

[big league chew]

just a lil ZAP!! to let you know u really fucked up

[runlvlzero]

For Chewie thats automatic on entering guk for any player but him...

[mtb tripper]

permadeath might be fun

[runlvlzero]

Highest on discord I think was a level 12 ogre war maybe =) I didn't leave fearrott Mobs got me in the end...

[Vile]

Faerie you're losing it bro

[pharmakos]

Highest on discord I think was a level 12 ogre war maybe =) I didn't leave fearrott Mobs got me in the end...

highest on discord was like a level ~40 something cleric with a bunch of buddies.

cleric would just stun lock everyone while his lower level buddies killed them.

thats what i heard at least, i wasn't actually there. Kytel from <Syrian Drauka> on Vulak A'err was friends with the cleric that won, supposedly.

[runlvlzero]

I meant my toon but yeah, I didnt encounter anyone, one person running through zone who said hi.

But it was the most exiting 12 levels of my life, and I shit bricks when that other person ran through zone =)

[Shrubwise]

permadeath + electric shock

did lel at this

[Alecta]

highest on discord was like a level ~40 something cleric with a bunch of buddies.

Thought that cleric was played was Pyratt Pete (who was friends with Farglebump, etc) from SZ. Might be wrong on that count though.

[Gustoo]

Name was Apostle Paul

I think he was 46..high elf and his bro played a ranger.

On the Sony final list he was not there because name violated naming policy.

[Sarius]

Since we're all daydreaming, I'd kinda like to see the server slowly split into hardcoded teams. What do you think would happen if one day dark team (dark elves, ogre, trolls, iksar) characters logged in to find they were all removed from their guilds, could no longer group with or receive/give beneficial buffs from/to anyone but other darks, but could still attack each other? Kinda like the opposite of VZ crossteaming; hardcoded teams without the safety of their own team.

And the devs could get all RP about it. I bet population would go up. Then when the novelty started to wear off, they could do it again with the humans (who all decided to go to war against short team for their subtle "tiny doors/housing" trolling). And then after a while of having things like that, elf team would split off from the elf/short alliance because dwarves contribute so much to global warming, and the gnomes refuse to give up their practice of necromancy.

And finally, after all of that, the teams become real teams that cannot attack their own.

I would come to red for this. How would the evil races fair without bards and Druids? Or the elves fair without monks and necros? This would be a lot of fun.

[Faerie]

Elves would dominate the server, ofc.

[Sarius]

How would half elves be aligned, would they get to choose? The elven tank classes would be very underpowered and would not have shammy buffs.

[runlvlzero]

They get barb shams, sullon did it fairly well, but we could always unlock a few classes for a few races

[Faerie]

Half elves are all part of the elf team. On VZ the only deity they could pick was Tunare, lol :)

And why would elven tanks be underpowered? For the longest time, my live guild's MT was a wood elf warrior. Then I went xteam and most of our raid MTs were dark elf warriors, who have worse stats than wood elves.

Ogre hp/stun immunity is a decent bonus to playing the race, but not at all necessary.

EDIT: And VZ teams weren't very well balanced, SZ in all honesty did the team makeup much better. On VZ:

Elves lacked monk, shaman, necro, SK
Humans had all classes
Shorts lacked ranger, bard, SK, shaman, monk
Darks lacked bard, ranger, paladin, druid

SZ teams:
Evils lacked ranger, paladin, druid
Goods and Neuts both lacked SK, necro

I prefer VZ teams for nostalgic reasons, but the SZ teams would be better in actuality.

[Sarius]

I like the race idea better than the good vs. evil. 4 teams is much cooler than 2

[Nirgon]

When can my friends and I start cross teaming? Let me know when teams are implemented, thx

[K|mm Barely]

When can my friends and I start double teaming? Let me know when teams are implemented, thx

fixd

[Faerie]

I like the race idea better than the good vs. evil. 4 teams is much cooler than 2

Four teams is twice as good as two, if my math is correct. But SZ had three teams, good and neutral were separate from one another.

When can my friends and I start cross teaming? Let me know when teams are implemented, thx

Could make crossteaming a bannable offense, like 2-boxing. Or make the offenders FFA, so they can be killed by their former team and are unable to guild/group with anyone. That'd be a lot like banning, but much more interesting.

[runlvlzero]

Could make crossteaming a bannable offense, like 2-boxing. Or make the offenders FFA, so they can be killed by their former team and are unable to guild/group with anyone. That'd be a lot like banning, but much more interesting.

Are you volunteering to be impartial? and Fair?

Just make it impossible for heals to land on enemy teams, problem fixed. If 2 teams want to dps the same enemy thats not a problem.

Or if they decided to attack the same raid..

But the problem with <Teams> is your trying to enforce a playstyle on an entire server. I liked sullons teams. They worked fine for the most part, except the huge imbalance and noobs greifed off in 1 day if they strayed out of their safe zone. Might work better with + and - four levels.

[Faerie]

Are you volunteering to be impartial? and Fair?

Just make it impossible for heals to land on enemy teams, problem fixed. If 2 teams want to dps the same enemy thats not a problem.

Or if they decided to attack the same raid..

But the problem with <Teams> is your trying to enforce a playstyle on an entire server. I liked sullons teams. They worked fine for the most part, except the huge imbalance and noobs greifed off in 1 day if they strayed out of their safe zone. Might work better with + and - four levels.

Crossteaming could (and would) happen with hardcoded teams. Rogue DPS for raids, and stuff. So on Faerie's pvp teams server they would be gravely punished.

[Ebony]

SZ teams:
Evils lacked ranger, paladin, druid
Goods and Neuts both lacked SK, necro

I prefer VZ teams for nostalgic reasons, but the SZ teams would be better in actuality.

SZ was only slightly better in class split. Over all Teams split on SZ was total fail & worse then VZ Teams imo. It was like a 2 team server where the "Good" Team was cut into 3rds. 2 of the 3rds being merged into Team Neut & the last 3rd being called Team Good. Good Team had ZERO Team only races while team evil had a BUNCH & I think neut had one or two. Having a Team only race is HUGE for any Team. Each Team needs the same number of Team only races.

On top of that, evil team not only had WAY more team only races but also had 2 team only classes. While Good & Neut had none. :confused:

SZ teams were a complete disaster at launch because of the extreme imbalanced teams that only the most braindead of rocks should have missed. SonyDev = one of the less intelligent species of rock. :p

If any Devs want to look like complete fools, just recreate the OMGFAIL teams of SZ. :rolleyes:

[Ebony]

Half elves are all part of the elf team. On VZ the only deity they could pick was Tunare, lol :)

And why would elven tanks be underpowered? For the longest time, my live guild's MT was a wood elf warrior. Then I went xteam and most of our raid MTs were dark elf warriors, who have worse stats than wood elves.

Ogre hp/stun immunity is a decent bonus to playing the race, but not at all necessary.

EDIT: And VZ teams weren't very well balanced

Elves lacked monk, shaman, necro, SK
Humans had all classes
Shorts lacked ranger, bard, SK, shaman, monk
Darks lacked bard, ranger, paladin, druid

I would Love a Hard Coded Tallon Zek/Vallon Zek server with better Class Balance among teams.

Human Team is good as is with all classes

Add Gnome SK, Gnome Monk, Halfling Bard & Halfling Shaman to Short

Add Half Elf SK, Half Elf Shaman & Wood Elf Monk to Elves

Dark Team is OP with 4 races but you could add Dark Elf Bards if you wanted.

That would be a Really Fun server :)

[runlvlzero]

I would Love a Hard Coded Tallon Zek/Vallon Zek server with better Class Balance among teams.

Human Team is good as is with all classes

Add Gnome SK, Gnome Monk, Halfling Bard & Halfling Shaman to Short

Add Half Elf SK, Half Elf Shaman & Wood Elf Monk to Elves

Dark Team is OP with 4 races but you could add Dark Elf Bards if you wanted.

That would be a Really Fun server :)

Sounds like a decent mix. Halfing shamans eeewww ;p... I would do dwarf shamans instead.

[Faerie]

Gnome SK

Ebony raises a very good point.

[Gustoo]

Racial teams with new race/class combo's to correct imbalance is the only feasible way, but I still feel it is a futile effort. Teams on EQ were never implemented well even in EQ hayday, and we are still trying to hammer out the basics of NPC aggro in cities and a reasonable resist structure.

Meanwhile devs working tirelessly to remove compass (CHECK) and destroy immersion by nerfing halfling hide back to what it apparently was on live. Halfling hide works 100% vs undead IRL based on my experiences watching the fellowship of the ring.

The only server I could see p99 staff putting out in the near future would be a hardcore permadeath server.

[pharmakos]

Halfling hide works 100% vs undead IRL based on my experiences watching the fellowship of the ring..

bahahahahaha







imo tho still the only new server that should start is combo Fironia Ve + Rallos Zek rules

[Faerie]

The only server I could see p99 staff putting out in the near future would be a hardcore permadeath server.

Did you see my YT for good deeds server idea? We're just geeking out now, talking about dream servers. It's fun :)

Racial teams with new race/class combo's to correct imbalance is the only feasible way, but I still feel it is a futile effort. Teams on EQ were never implemented well even in EQ hayday, and we are still trying to hammer out the basics of NPC aggro in cities and a reasonable resist structure.

Meanwhile devs working tirelessly to remove compass (CHECK) and destroy immersion by nerfing halfling hide back to what it apparently was on live. Halfling hide works 100% vs undead IRL based on my experiences watching the fellowship of the ring.

The way I see it, a proper teams server was never done in EQ. VZ and TZ were coded in such a way that crossteaming and a sort of FFA social climate were inevitable. SZ had hardcoded teams that made crossteaming very difficult, and their teams were more balanced than VZ/TZ (even though evil team may have had a big advantage still). They really seemed set to have a very interesting and fun basis for a true teams server, but then they had to get all creative about it and decided to throw out the Play Nice Policy. Trains, corpse camping and overall griefiness will killl anything great in EQ.

If a server had the potential population for it, I don't think it would be all that difficult to do a teams server right. I still think they should delete the blue server and make a fresh teams pvp server for everyone to enjoy. That place seems to have become an overcrowded cesspool of unfriendly loot whores anyway; may as well turn the pvp on and let them have at it.

I'm in love with the race teams of VZ, though. There's just something romantic about elf team and their insatiable lust for the blood of those that would do harm to animals, or the environment. It was like a militarized PETA, and besides being completely hilarious it made fun RP as easy as being an ogre with a speech impediment.

[mtb tripper]

the dark dark dark, dark dark dark dark dark, dark da dark?

[Clark]

lets end this beta test and go live

[Nirgon]

WoW has hard coded teams, you would love them

[Stinkum]

Did you see my YT for good deeds server idea? We're just geeking out now, talking about dream servers. It's fun :)



The way I see it, a proper teams server was never done in EQ. VZ and TZ were coded in such a way that crossteaming and a sort of FFA social climate were inevitable. SZ had hardcoded teams that made crossteaming very difficult, and their teams were more balanced than VZ/TZ (even though evil team may have had a big advantage still). They really seemed set to have a very interesting and fun basis for a true teams server, but then they had to get all creative about it and decided to throw out the Play Nice Policy. Trains, corpse camping and overall griefiness will killl anything great in EQ.

If a server had the potential population for it, I don't think it would be all that difficult to do a teams server right. I still think they should delete the blue server and make a fresh teams pvp server for everyone to enjoy. That place seems to have become an overcrowded cesspool of unfriendly loot whores anyway; may as well turn the pvp on and let them have at it.

I'm in love with the race teams of VZ, though. There's just something romantic about elf team and their insatiable lust for the blood of those that would do harm to animals, or the environment. It was like a militarized PETA, and besides being completely hilarious it made fun RP as easy as being an ogre with a speech impediment.

http://i.imgur.com/iPYNcGi.png

[runlvlzero]

Yeah it worked vs undead back in the day. I can confirm that.

People are confused by the changes to rogue/hide sneak, which were patched already in the current time line.

But the plain old hide skill was as it is. I know this because I had one of every toon within 5 weeks of launch in every city.

[Faerie]

WoW has hard coded teams, you would love them

The teams in WoW sucked. You couldn't even talk to each other, and their devs gave the players artificial reasons to PK each other like pvp rewards. So far nothing has compared to EQ pvp; we don't need lame pvp rewards because will kill each other over our finite resources.

Dunno why you keep telling me to go play WoW, it's a great RPG but a very mediocre MMO.

[Tomato King6]

they aren't wiping or making anymore servers

why do you keep bumping this?

[Faerie]

they aren't wiping or making anymore servers

why do you keep bumping this?

Some of us have wild imaginations, and it's fun to express them :)

[Aenor]

they aren't wiping or making anymore servers

why do you keep bumping this?

Reading is fundamental. Not asking for a wipe.

[Reddi who?]

http://i.imgur.com/iPYNcGi.png

Haha

[Sirken]

request denied