Man of Steel/World War Z

[Kagatob]

Both sitting at 80% on RottenTomatoes after the pre-screenings.

Fingers crossed. :)

[Klendathu]

I'm excited about both.

[oddibemcd]

Should have titled World War Z something else. Now, I (and likely most people who read the book) will compare it to Brooks' work and find the movie lacking. Hear the only thing similar between the two is the title.

Reminds me a bit of how I Am Legend the movie completely missed the point of the novel. I Am Legend was a spectacularly mediocre movie. Hoping WWZ will be better, but not holding my breath.

[Kagatob]

Looks like Man of Steel fell to 70. After reading a bunch of the negative reviews it's apparent that the bulk of them are critical of the movie solely because of the fact that they can't get over the movies from 35 years ago and that this new movie dares to differentiate from the style of those movies.

Still excited to see it Thursday night. :)

[Fawqueue]

Looks like Man of Steel fell to 70. After reading a bunch of the negative reviews it's apparent that the bulk of them are critical of the movie solely because of the fact that they can't get over the movies from 35 years ago and that this new movie dares to differentiate from the style of those movies.

Which I find interesting, because that's the same reason Superman Returns was such an epic fail. They tried to give them a movie exactly like the iconic ones of years past and found that we've outgrown our taste for that style of campy storytelling. I think Man of Steel will be a breath of fresh air in a franchise that's gotten the shaft for a long time.

[Clark]

Which I find interesting, because that's the same reason Superman Returns was such an epic fail. They tried to give them a movie exactly like the iconic ones of years past and found that we've outgrown our taste for that style of campy storytelling. I think Man of Steel will be a breath of fresh air in a franchise that's gotten the shaft for a long time.

lookin forward to seeing it

[Kagatob]

lookin forward to seeing it

[Swish]

The critics are all over how bad World War Z is here... but maybe they haven't been paid to say nice things. We have one newspaper here who we can judge a movie on. Basically if they're raving about how good it is, it's going to suck...every time.

[Ahldagor]

that one that came out earlier was terrible because of the acting. spacey mailed it in and i'm not sure that anyone else was trying.

[Kagatob]

Man of Steel. It's opening while extremely visually breathtaking left a bit to be desired from a storytelling perspective. Space faring civilizations should not go extinct when a single planet blows up... ever.
With that said... everything after that point was excellent and the fighting was (nearly) Avengers tier.

Would recommend.

[Kagatob]

Reading only the negative reviews of WWZ is pretty lolworthy, these critics unable to get over the differences between the book and the movie.

Last I checked when you review a film you review the film based on the film not based on how close or far it is to a written title with the same name. Butthurts.

[KessonDaslef]

Just an F.Y.I. she's 14 and depicted as such... :p

[radditsu]

Reading only the negative reviews of WWZ is pretty lolworthy, these critics unable to get over the differences between the book and the movie.

Last I checked when you review a film you review the film based on the film not based on how close or far it is to a written title with the same name. Butthurts.

if you put an intellectual property name on something it will be compared to that ip. If you buy a random zombie script and slap a name on it, you are going to face criticism. Especially if that book or comic is fresh and unique. Iron Man is not a fresh look at a medium. World war Z was.

If you do not want comparison, do not take the financial bump slapping the name on it.

Im kinda sad goyer wrote himself into a corner in this script and had to have superman do some....non superman things. Batman has no joy. Superman is hope and joy and humanity personified. But that is a personal look at the mythos. And nobody has written superman well since grant morrison in all star superman

tweens won't care tho. Spend dad's money

[Kagatob]

Im kinda sad goyer wrote himself into a corner in this script and had to have superman do some....non superman things.

Superman is 80 years old. People were complaining that Superman Returns was too much like a rehash of the Christopher Reeve movies, now they're complaining because it's different.

The Vash/Legato moment at the end was the perfect example of that. Superman is a fictional character placed in a fictional city in a world that is supposed to represent the real world. In the real world you can't save everyone, even if you're Superman.

[Yardcore]

I watched Superman today and I give it 10/10. I don't know what hell critics are smoking, this aint Lord of the Rings where you want them to tell the whole story...

I love the destruction and story-line which is long enough to keep me entertained.

Will watch it again :D

[radditsu]

Superman is 80 years old. People were complaining that Superman Returns was too much like a rehash of the Christopher Reeve movies, now they're complaining because it's different.

The Vash/Legato moment at the end was the perfect example of that. Superman is a fictional character placed in a fictional city in a world that is supposed to represent the real world. In the real world you can't save everyone, even if you're Superman.

Preface: I actually liked the movie as a modern day movie. It has the basic plotholes + spectacle (see star trek) that all popcorn flicks movies have now days.



Singer made it abundantly clear what the movie was from the first trailer of Superman Return. People just did not listen. The first moment is Marlon fucking Brando talking . You gave the biggest Donner fanboy in the universe reigns to the franchise and did not expect him to basically remake that movie?


The IDEA of superman, batman and wonder woman are woven into the past, present, and future of DC. That's been the entire point of them. DC has always been about IDEAS. Superman is Superman because he is the IDEA of Truth and Justice...It makes it ENTIRELY too difficult to write him effectively. Superman isn't a man, he isn't a christ figure either. But he WILL save everybody, that's his point, because he is an IDEAL. He's not an emo fuck. He's CAN be sad, but his POINT is to overcome it. He CAN be lonely, but he takes solace in the world as his family. He does have emotions. If you want questionable moral choices, see every fucking marvel comic ever.

It's like Goyer went straight to the Joker v Batman theme in the Dark knight and made him break the rules of superman to win. A good writer could have pulled it off with out doing the ending (hard not to spoil and make my point). See the ending of the batman animated red hood movie for example, Or Mask of the Phantasm. It was real, heartfelt, not a cop-out. I understand wanting to make it different then the ending in superman 1.
But it could have used a tiny bit more...thought. Superman is super SMART. That..in itself is the hardest part to write about him. It is difficult to make conflict when someone has the ability to tactically out smart you then punch you through the moon. That's why he's always de-powered, or kryptonited or some bullshit.


Batman is a street level dark avenger, who would never waver until he ends a fight against the IDEA of crime. Batman can't and wont save everyone. Wonder woman is the ideal of truth in the face of anything ( and BDSM) she stands up for her home and life against the corruption of others and can't save everyone. Superman is the ideal of the human condition, the ideal of humanity is for tragedy to not happen at all. Superman. SAVES. That's why he can lift a mountain of kryptonite and throw it into space aka returns. He can do it, because if we needed to, we could do it.

While I am sure it is part of some 3 movie trilogy arc. Where he becomes what superman is as an idea. Which is what they did with Batman, but nobody liked the third Batman when it pushed more towards the comic bookish. Put superman in a position to inspire the world and he will.

[radditsu]

The world's premier batmanologist take:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/17/man-of-steel-on-my-planet-the-s-is-for-sucks-spoilers-review/

spoilers obv

[Faerie]

I saw Man of Steel today, and I feel very underwhelmed. Some nice camera work, and the first half of the movie was great, then it was just explosions and dumb lines from the bad guys.

[Kagatob]

I saw Man of Steel today, and I feel very underwhelmed. Some nice camera work, and the first half of the movie was great, then it was just explosions and dumb lines from the bad guys.

The exact format that makes hundreds of millions of dollars consistently?

[Klendathu]

I saw it. I dug it ok. I did have a problem with the climatic fight, at least how it ended. I thought there could have been more story line of him growing up. But it was casted well. I thought Cavill was a great Superman. And Amy Adams was the best Lois that any media that's not the comic has put forth in a long time. I think I would have rather seen Russell Crowe play Zod instead of Jor-El, but Michael Shannon was excellent so no problem there. And plenty of room for sequels.

I agree with Radditsu, too. Superman's character just isn't....super. The whole feel was a bit more gritty. Maybe that's just a reflection on society; that's what it takes to put butts in theater seats. (and yeah, All-Star Superman is fucking stellar, too)

Still, enjoyed the flick. I will go see any sequel that is made. Now on to World War Z.

[Faerie]

I wonder, why are both movies being discussed in the same thread? Superman is cool because superheroes are in, but World War Z looks like a generic suspense/action film with a terrible storyline.

[Visual]

Never been a good superman movie far as I'm concerned

[Kagatob]

I wonder, why are both movies being discussed in the same thread? Superman is cool because superheroes are in, but World War Z looks like a generic suspense/action film with a terrible storyline.

I created the thread before either flick was out and they also had the same pre-screening rating on rotten tomatoes. They're also both movies that I wasn't 100% sure would be generally enjoyable unlike Pacific Rim which can't be fucked up even if they try. :cool:

[Ahldagor]

keep your gundams

[Kagatob]

keep your gundams

And I could take or leave everyone's precious GLADOS voice. Your point?

[Hasbinbad]

man of steel by far the best superman movie .. i was expecting to be disappointed but was not, and that's saying quite a bit.

will it win acting oscars? no, but as far as comic book movies go it was fucking decent.

can't wait for justice league .. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0974015/ .. i hope vincent chase plays aqua man.

[Hasbinbad]

also did anyone catch the truck with the lexcorp logo?

[Kagatob]

also did anyone catch the truck with the lexcorp logo?

I didn't see it and I was looking out for it, I've also found nothing online to confirm/deny the claim that it was there. There was a Lexcorp building in the European trailer for the movie back in April though.

[Hasbinbad]

i saw it 100% for sure, i didn't know to look out for it :P

[Kagatob]

There's a lot of other people claiming to have seen it too. I want pics though. :p

[radditsu]

I created the thread before either flick was out and they also had the same pre-screening rating on rotten tomatoes. They're also both movies that I wasn't 100% sure would be generally enjoyable unlike Pacific Rim which can't be fucked up even if they try. :cool:

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0102800/

[Hasbinbad]

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0102800/
best movie of all time

[Kagatob]

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0102800/

Not even close to the same idea even.

Regardless ICWUDT. :)

::EDIT:: Also just checked RT, WWZ is up two more points after a pile of reviews yesterday. Negative reviews still the same "It's not identical to the book, there's too much action" bull.

[Klendathu]

Saw the truck, was destroyed fairly quickly, easy to miss.

[Tiggles]

also did anyone catch the truck with the lexcorp logo?

All the satellites in the movie have the Wayne industries logo on them as well.

[Hasbinbad]

All the satellites in the movie have the Wayne industries logo on them as well.
did not notice that haha

[Kika Maslyaka]

I am generally NOT a fan of comic book movies (most of then end up being very childish and naive), with exception of X-Men, but Man of Steel was exceptionally well done.

PS.
WWZ - does anyone actually STILL taking zombie movies seriously???

[Rhambuk]

does anyone actually STILL taking zombie movies seriously???

seriously? dunno about that

but the idea is cool, and theres always that one asshole in the survivalist group that you want to see torn apart.

and wouldn't you know it

[Yardcore]

Good eyes, I didn't even notice any corporate logo lol!

I was sitting with my wife and there was this couple sitting right next to me; all choke up to several sad scenes. Even I got a bit of emotional as well.

[Yardcore]

I am generally NOT a fan of comic book movies (most of then end up being very childish and naive), with exception of X-Men, but Man of Steel was exceptionally well done.

PS.
WWZ - does anyone actually STILL taking zombie movies seriously???

I thought "The Legend" was really good.

For WWZ, I felt like they really overdone the CGI stuff, but I will go watch it any away since I think BradP is a good actor.

[Kagatob]

So I just got back from the movie. It was alright, just alright though.
If you haven't seen Man of Steel definitely see that over WWZ.

I don't regret seeing WWZ but I feel a potentially solid 3 star movie sits at 2 stars because of the PG13 rating alone, the cliches and all were expected but after the first 15 minutes or so there was next to nothing holding me to the characters.

[Faerie]

Lol your new sig is so cute! <33

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

Spoilers ahead.


Watched WWZ last night at Cinetopia in 3D. That alone can usually make an average movie bump up a notch. I was enjoying the movie thoroughly until they got on that plane leaving Jerusalem. Soon as they discovered the infected person in the locker or whatever it was, I checked out. It was so absurd that I was pulled out of the movie and never got back in. The rest of the movie seemed to continue on limping the story along with bad writing after that.

So if you want to see it, watch the first half then shit it off and it's actually decent.

[Hex]

WWZ was meh. I have yet to see Man of Steel, as I'm no where near a Superman fan, more of a Superman hater.

But yes, WWZ, was just borderline. Don't go into it thinking about it being a zombie movie, as it is more one of those infection movies, like 28 Days Later, or something of the likes. And honestly, the story wasn't great either, nor the action scenes.

My final though of the movie: "Yeah baby, the girls and the world are safe, for now........ BTW, I have full blown AIDS."

[Sularus Oth Mithas]

My final though of the movie: "Yeah baby, the girls and the world are safe, for now........ BTW, I have full blown AIDS."

That about sums it up.

[kaos057]

Looks like Man of Steel fell to 70. After reading a bunch of the negative reviews it's apparent that the bulk of them are critical of the movie solely because of the fact that they can't get over the movies from 35 years ago and that this new movie dares to differentiate from the style of those movies.

Still excited to see it Thursday night. :)

In case you didn't know, Superman is a comic book hero. Where do you think the original movies came from? Man of Steel ruined the actual Superman story. Has nothing to do with the cheesy Superman movies from 70s/80s.