XP loss or no, we're all pretty terrible

[Faerie]

People are going to exploit the system regardless, so it's probably best to think of it in terms of which is the lesser of two evils. Considering the staff's point of view, I think I'd have gone the no xp loss route loss too.

At least this way people bother the GMs much less about needing help with the problems the community cause, and no one is demonizing them for addressing grief (massive experience loss) caused by the players themselves. Either system would work perfectly fine if the players didn't constantly look for ways to exploit it. That's just how things are with sandbox games; if the players don't police themselves and no one gives a fuck, the overall experience ends up being pretty blah. But if the devs stepped in and tweaked things just right to force the community to behave, then we would lose our freedom to be sadomasochistic assholes, and finally getting to the point where we can pvp respectfully would be kind of an empty victory.

There's a reason I always LnS, don't bindcamp and try not to engage people while they're dealing with NPCs. It's cost me my camps over and over again because people bindrush and don't follow the same rules I do, but if no one pushes for change there's not even a hope of it happening. True change comes from within; even if it never catches on without.

[SamwiseRed]

cant stand when casters bind rush oom, need to tone down that hand to hand

responding to chewies quote

i died yesterday on samwise, went afk for 10 min, came back at half mana or so. threw some buffs up and went afk for another 15.

20-25 minutes is not bind rushing, it is impossible to bind rush when you spawn oom.

[big league chew]

right cause no one has clickies & its real hard to take someone out thats 4% from winning a fight and also still fighting...? not sure if srs or dum

[SamwiseRed]

cant take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen

[Tradesonred]

The chicago way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E

[big league chew]

all im saying is that when you die pvp you should delevel at least 2x
if not permadeath

all im sayin

[SamwiseRed]

this is classic pvp, a determined soul will not be deterred. i think gloinz and gloinzz died 10 times each respectively yesterday. guys wouldnt zerg/bind rushing and paid the ultimate price.

i only wish this was lifted sooner. as long as more losers dont join nilly, server gonna be seeing alot more YT pretty soon.

[big league chew]

fuck you samwise you're a scrub
dont talk to me

[gtg489p]

your done chew. kick and scream.

[big league chew]

gtg489p you're the reason we can't have nice things like exp loss in pvp
your constant cries to gms everytime you died to me was the straw that broke the camels back and now its ruined for everyone
thanks a lot you stupid piece of shit

[SamwiseRed]

chewie, i am a little upset with you. i wondered into unrest to see you attacking not 1, not 2, but THREE newbie hobbits and a dwarf. i quickly gathered my children, buffed them to the teeth, and ported them to a land where xp was plenty.

http://i.imgur.com/fe3An3j.jpg

[heartbrand]

Exp loss in pvp was bad and deterred pvp, and prevented pals from fighting for fun for lack of desire to grind an hour to gain back the exp. if bind rushing is truly such an issue just put in a debuff, but casters already pop with no water and zero mana, and melees need their corpse which presumably you're sitting upon in order to be effective

[big league chew]

winners finish fights 100% hp/mana instantly ready to do it again amirite

[SamwiseRed]

ye didnt realize how much xp loss deterred pvp. it wasnt bad in classic. 50 is easy to reach even without xp bonus and after a few blues you are back to where you are. 52+ xp loss is horrible on pvp death. fuck that shit.

[Faerie]

Exp loss in pvp was bad and deterred pvp, and prevented pals from fighting for fun for lack of desire to grind an hour to gain back the exp. if bind rushing is truly such an issue just put in a debuff, but casters already pop with no water and zero mana, and melees need their corpse which presumably you're sitting upon in order to be effective

Sitting on a corpse feels like a waste of time. Now that you're dead, I'd rather get back to exping.

[big league chew]

ye didnt realize how much xp loss deterred pvp. it wasnt bad in classic. 50 is easy to reach even without xp bonus and after a few blues you are back to where you are. 52+ xp loss is horrible on pvp death. fuck that shit.

so dont die
jeeze you guys are bad

[SamwiseRed]

i went from 53 to 52 suiciding myself into nilly in plane of fear (not training) because it was the only pvp to be had. i dont play this game to grind. now that i dont have too, i can level up a bunch of toons to 52 and pvp all day. shits CLASSIC

more to the point, i dont mind going into fights i cant win. never give up bro, never surrender, its the witwicky way

[big league chew]

porting out 4 ppl was surrendering to ol poopgun
by the way

[Knuckle]

gtg489p you're the reason we can't have nice things like exp loss in pvp
your constant cries to gms everytime you died to me was the straw that broke the camels back and now its ruined for everyone
thanks a lot you stupid piece of shit

lol, i kept seeing your name as 'big league jew'

[STILLnotMORNIN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWI5usBZ4M&list=PL12192D3AA23A7D55

[SamwiseRed]

oh one more thing. i dont plug. never have and never will. took a death yesterday at a zoneline i could have easily plugged out of but i am more honorable than that.

[big league chew]

bringing up a time you could have plugged but didnt
when no one asked

aka regret

[gloinz]

http://i.imgur.com/veoQ9lH.jpg

i for one like the new fight club style warfare occuring throughout norrath between bind rushing adventurerers

but rly xp loss is needed or a big debuff is needed, zone control impossible to establish on my wizard cuz folks just respawn and come at me again

[gtg489p]

You spent hours of your weekends slumped in front of your computer while bind camping people who had gone afk to do things irl, some of whom got their exp restored. Who lost there?

Are you sure you are not the reason we lost exp death? Your grief caused the petitions, right? Your abuse of the system? You ruined yourself. You destroyed the one thing you had left in life.

[big league chew]

^scrub

[Shrubwise]

Dear lord Gloinz that is one ugly UI.

Chewie, losing your classiness sir.

[big league chew]

i like how yabo is trying to pretend that all exp he lost was while afk
he probably told the GMs that too and got it all restored

fact is he got killed while at computer trying his hardest to fight back (red con necro) and gm's restored his exp time and time again

Thats why you're a scrub yabo, thats why

[big league chew]

scrubwise trying to talk shit

its not very effective

[Shrubwise]

Chewie, losing your classiness sir.

[big league chew]

its not very effective

[Shrubwise]

You'd know if I was trying to talk shit, Big Chewdogg. I've got ammo for days.

[gtg489p]

Who is Yabo? Everyone knows that chewie was a top griefer and that his MO was bind camping.

[Something'Witty]

Instead of a debuff, why not have everyone spawn with 0 mana (already in place) and 20% life. That should be easy to code, and although not perfect, will make someone an easy target if they try and bind rush.

Parsimony is a beautiful thing.

[big league chew]

how bout just a boot to char select
how bout just permadeath

[Tomato King6]

how bout a wire that you hook yourself up to when you play, when killed you get a large electric shock

[SamwiseRed]

bringing up a time you could have plugged but didnt
when no one asked

aka regret

there are many other times old friend. ive been against plugging from the start. how could i be against something and exploit it at the same time? do i look like a nilly to u?

[nilbog]

Arguing in favor of zone plugging is pure lols. Networking strategy has no place in an mmorpg IMO.

Sent while loling from my iPhone

People didn't listen.

[SamwiseRed]

^ zone plugging is lame, its one of a few things wow did right in terms of pvp. i wish eq was open world but i guess it wasnt possible at the time.

oh and bind rushers get dealt with, no matter how many toons they have
http://i.imgur.com/UM1Zn43.jpg