petition to bring back xp loss on death

[gloinz]

so without xp loss on deaths we have found


people bind rushing
people killing group mates in pve
people refusing to give up zones after they have been defeated


it is time to bring back xp loss in pvp, although at a MUCH lower amount then previously. in classic it was like 1% or 1 or 2 dark blue mobs. lets make that happen again by dividing what the xp loss was by like 5

[reddi lol]

nerd

[mostbitter]

someone mad his big mouth still getting him bind camped

[SamwiseRed]

lol gloinz tears are delicious.

[Seary]

I support this. Bring it back.

[Terpuntine]

I'm ok with XP loss in pvp


/petition signed

[Faerie]

1% per death sounds okay. Has there really bee a noticeable increase in bindrushing?

[STILLnotMORNIN]

man.. you nerds cried for month to turn that shit off.. been off 4 days and already want it back... LOL pussies.

[K|mm Barely]

http://hiphop-n-more.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lil-boosie-super-bad.jpg

[Smedy]

lots of mads in here because of more pvp that comes from people not giving a fuck if they die or not

[Twain]

Gongshow almost got suspended for killing someone bind rushing on the first day. Was told to stop abusing YT.

[Asap]

Bind rushing is occurring because there was so much pent up pvp from fear of losing experience. Lots of pvp happening now, ppl getting mad. say what

[Smedy]

if you can guild hop from faction to faction and loose botb to feathered leggings and still stick around after that kind of humiliation you'll definitely won't have a problem popping up on the wrong side of the yellow

integrity & pride isn't red99 players strongest side

[SamwiseRed]

pvp happening, CoM filled with gloinzz corpses. pras.

[Smedy]

someone please build a system that puts yellow text on rss so we can subscribe with our phones,shit would be classic

[SamwiseRed]

Thrilla was murdered yesterday even after spamming his soulfire. I expect a blog update soon.

[Clark]

http://s12.postimg.org/p4e3tky1p/35567946.jpg

[Stinkum]

Sounds like more PvP is happening... Nihilum bluebies unhappy with this? Shocker.

[heartbrand]

Considering one of the most vocal opponents of it being removed is Chewie it seems kinda retarded to call it "nihilum bluebies" opposing this, I'm all for exp loss being removed. Who is stinkum in game, does anyone even know? I'd like to meet this red pvp champion in combat who I'm sure is unanonymous at all times roaming zone to zone for PVP.

[Nirgon]

One by one the custom features fall

Item loot must come

5% regardless of resist level to land must go

Getting more classic here

[Nirgon]

someone please build a system that puts yellow text on rss so we can subscribe with our phones,shit would be classic

Like anyone'll ever be allowed into the Semetic Lord Rogean's Holy of Holies for something like that.

The updated kill feed is the one thing Sullon Zek got right. Pras.

[Elderan]

My vote was to keep in pvp exp loss on death. After seeing the bind rushing in POF the only good part was knowing they could not do it every time due to the amount of experience they were losing.

Now that is removed.

I suggest a debuff which on a pvp death is triggered. You would get 2 effects. One would be like ress effects but stays full 15 min. Second one would make you invulnerable to pvp for 15 min. However if you move this effect is removed.

Would help the current problem.

[Tradesonred]

Considering one of the most vocal opponents of it being removed is Chewie it seems kinda retarded to call it "nihilum bluebies" opposing this, I'm all for exp loss being removed. Who is stinkum in game, does anyone even know? I'd like to meet this red pvp champion in combat who I'm sure is unanonymous at all times roaming zone to zone for PVP.

Chewie, bless his heart, is a griefer. I wouldnt be surprised thats where most of his opposition lies.

[freez]

My vote was to keep in pvp exp loss on death. After seeing the bind rushing in POF the only good part was knowing they could not do it every time due to the amount of experience they were losing.

Now that is removed.

I suggest a debuff which on a pvp death is triggered. You would get 2 effects. One would be like ress effects but stays full 15 min. Second one would make you invulnerable to pvp for 15 min. However if you move this effect is removed.

Would help the current problem.

most deaths were taken by a DT therefore your argument is null as usual

[Elderan]

most deaths were taken by a DT therefore your argument is null as usual

Only 30-40 of the 110 deaths were from DT.

60-70 were due to pvp.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

elderan attempting mathematics

stand back and feast your eyes folks

[Nirgon]

Okay so.

People bind rushing and getting killed and shamed over and over is bad?

Oh wait.

When it interrupts accessories for your Barbie dolls, its a problem. But, not everyone here is a blue server exile.

You know, when our fear raids were interrupted from CT we got a little hot about it, but then asked that the same fairness was shown to us. We had more fun guarding the outside of the portal and setting off the CT rotation than looting any number of items from plane of fear that night.

Let go of pixel fever, try to enjoy the actual game.

For instance, I decked out my wizard minus VP key, finishing 58-60 at raptors and an epic, but was unfulfilled the entire time because of the PvP mechanics and left.

That's the right way to be bros. Then you can just play for fun and not gearing.

If item loot is added and resists are brought more in line, I would gladly come back and roll any class. EVEN A MELEE.

[freez]

Only 30-40 of the 110 deaths were from DT.

60-70 were due to pvp.

110 deaths?

i was in vent the entire time and im 100% sure the number of times we sent in kringe to set off the DT was well under 110.

I dont even think we did it over 3 dozen times.

[GoodGuyAmes]

Okay so.

People bind rushing and getting killed and shamed over and over is bad?

Oh wait.

When it interrupts accessories for your Barbie dolls, its a problem. But, not everyone here is a blue server exile.

You know, when our fear raids were interrupted from CT we got a little hot about it, but then asked that the same fairness was shown to us. We had more fun guarding the outside of the portal and setting off the CT rotation than looting any number of items from plane of fear that night.

Let go of pixel fever, try to enjoy the actual game.

For instance, I decked out my wizard minus VP key, finishing 58-60 at raptors and an epic, but was unfulfilled the entire time because of the PvP mechanics and left.

That's the right way to be bros. Then you can just play for fun and not gearing.

If item loot is added and resists are brought more in line, I would gladly come back and roll any class. EVEN A MELEE.

Item loot and resist fixes will never come. If people can find joy in playing the server in its current state then thats great for them but if you are waiting on these magical changes to the server then you are in for a rude awakening. Its either you enjoy this shit or you don't but it took them over a year to patch in yellow text so we are all gunna be fucking dust in the wind by the time the resist system is changed.

[Andis]

http://hiphop-n-more.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lil-boosie-super-bad.jpg

best post in forumquest history

let us bow our heads to the boosie fade

peace *****

[Devours]

Signed. PVP death without exp loss blatently goes against everything a hardcore EQ PVP server stands for. With the increased exp bonus, that should be motive enough to bring out the PVPers. This coming from a basic non factor non max level hybrid, who gets smoked in PVP routinely.

[Nirgon]

Andis.

What if I told you with just planar and resist magic up you'd correctly resist every root or snare cast on you?

Would item loot be OK with you then? Even if you were only in no drop naked, the resist system would be better.

I think you guys look at it as gear will be lootable (single pieces) but the resist system will be the same. Which would obviously be a disaster.

Imagine the East Commons/Nektulos invasion wars we coulda had if people weren't scared about XP.

[Tomato King6]

bla bla same thread

don't matter what they do yall cant be happy gotta just fucking cry

get jobs please I promise you will give much less fucks about server

[marie]

^ this fat loser still posts here? lives in his moms basement tending her tomato garden and talks about others needing to get a job lol... He seriously reminds me of harrison.

[Andis]

nirgon you cant say that each root or snare would be resisted, cuz thats not probable

even if you do have alot of nodrop gear, you will have droppable gear

with item loot on a pvp server, it just doesnt add up man - people bag their shit instead of pvping lol its stupid

[freez]

making afk kills worthy since 99 !

[Dacuk]

lots of mads in here because of more pvp that comes from people not giving a fuck if they die or not

[Bidin]

so without xp loss on deaths we have found


people bind rushing
people killing group mates in pve
people refusing to give up zones after they have been defeated



Only person i've seen doing #1 and #3 is Gloinzz.
-Shrimp

[freez]

owned

[Nirgon]

nirgon you cant say that each root or snare would be resisted, cuz thats not probable

even if you do have alot of nodrop gear, you will have droppable gear

with item loot on a pvp server, it just doesnt add up man - people bag their shit instead of pvping lol its stupid

No, people who don't want to risk their items pvp in no drop.

And don't get rooted.

Math from the old formula shows if you are an even con that 51 magic resist is enough to resist every time. Of course it will differ based on level. But for as far as you're concerned, your planar no drop + resist magic will be plenty.

Tash/malo/occlusion (velious) of course can change that.

The system worked to be fine in planar no drop and even Velious.

The people it hurts the most are wreckless morons running around in dragon loot.

And.. quote me if I'm wrong here but the original xp loss was also a way to get people levelling in zones even after being 50 again to promote PvP. Wouldn't the same be true of people camping items? Just you wouldn't see people camped for 18 levels when they fall asleep at their bind?

Try to be a bit more open minded. If I could get more people who played on RZ to even think about coming back here, I'm sure they'd agree and show you the merits of such a system.

Imagine, you don't need to wear a tcrown, 2x jacinth rings to HAVE A CHANCE to resist root.

Some people want (and its fucking obvious) another crumby broken vztz clone. Those were frankly pretty terrible, especially considering if you're trying to "market" this server towards people seeking EQ nostalgia from 1999. They'll get chain pet rooted or rooted first cast otherwise and be like OK fuck this.

Risk vs Reward pal, read up on the original intents of the EQ designers. It fit nicely into PvP. It's also the reason Sleeper keys were bound to your body and seb/hs/VP keys for a while as well. It's a great system and creates excitement, tension, risk and challenge. Not banging your retard head on the keyboard rooting people.

Root does remain viable for locking down pets (without magic resist buff), morans trying to CR who are talking paragraphs of shit, or even trying to bind rush your raid. So don't erase it from your spell book if things are ever fixed.

Would really like to see who honestly deletes their character over item loot being added after a resist system fix. Nizzar won't, he even asked for a classic system. If he doesn't, the rest of the blue server explotier lepers and their nutswingers won't leave either.

Then you guys have something to gain by fighting them rather than them having more hours in the day to play than you and wearing you out with no real loss (let's be honest, they're on all day and the loss of xp at 60 isn't nearly as bad as say 54-59).

[Tomato King6]

nirgon sells his char still posting huge pages no one reads

what has changed? nothing

[Nirgon]

^ tried to trade his ogre SK for 2 manastones that I wouldn't even wipe my ass with.

Made a cleric trying to force himself into Nihilum. No one in their right mind would guild this clown.

[Tradesonred]

Removing xp loss was a mistake that could've been avoided by instead removing the unnecessary double penalty of not allowing PvP corpses to be eligible for resurrection under the same rules as PvE ones.

Rez effects would've served as a sufficient speedbump to slow bindrushing while the 3-hour timer would've afforded those defeated the same recovery window as that of a PvE death.

And to top it off, the penalty most in line with the game's design (you die in EQ, you lose experience) could've been retained without the perception that it was too harsh.

Oh well.

Depleted bars is enough to me. I would maybe agree with a custom 5-8min pvp death debuffer

[Nirgon]

We don't need more custom shit

[Stinkum]

ITT: Nihilum butthurt that more PvP is happening.

There's a shiny Blue server for you all.

[Tradesonred]

ITT: Nihilum butthurt that more PvP is happening.

There's a shiny Blue server for you all.

Thats what it boils down to really, sad that they cant just sit a zerg in a zone anymore and win by default

[Faerie]

People that bindrush to extremes should just be suspended.

[Tradesonred]

People that bindrush to extremes should just be suspended.

Shut up, youve done enough harm to this server already

Do us all pvpers a favor, sell your shit and move to blue

[SamwiseRed]

what exactly is bind rushing? i die on my druid and spawn oom. takes about 10-15 min to goto full mana. thats IF i have water near by and im not thirsty.if i decide to buff myself there is more downtime. 15 minutes or more is by no means any kind of rush unless your apm is 7. people arent bind rushing, they are just continuing to pvp. shits classic

deal with it

edit: oh forgot to count travel time.

[Tradesonred]

people arent bind rushing, they are just continuing to pvp. shits classic

deal with it


people arent bind rushing, they are just continuing to pvp. shits classic

deal with it


people arent bind rushing, they are just continuing to pvp. shits classic

deal with it

[Stinkum]

Actual quote.

We have too much pvp anyway

Link: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=968890&postcount=29

[Tradesonred]

And Gloinz, i thought u were cool man

[Tradesonred]

It must be stated and restated over and over that xp loss in pvp helps in making zergs the dominant presence on the server, they will always be here but with no xp loss it balances things out a bit and people can attempt some guerilla contesting.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

they're bindrushing me i can't seem to leave their bind HELP

these melees without weapons and casters without mana are RUINING THE GAME!!!!!

[mostbitter]

nihilum crying pure blue tears because pvp server getting real classic DELICIOUS

[Pudge]

only reason i supported exp loss (before server opened) was to deter bind rushing, and have an actual consequence to pvp death.

that was before the 0-mana-respawn was put in place.
also before YT was in place.

with these two in, there is no reason to have exp loss. yes, in velious ppl will be able to bind in some raid zones.... however, the positives far outweigh the negatives. ppl can once again pvp casually and not worry about a potential 4 hour grind to make back their 10 minutes of pvp

[Nirgon]

Of course they are mad. They have 24 hours a day to play and grind back with the others that play 24 hours a day. It was a great way to grief people off the box and prevent new people who didn't join them from learning pvp.

Item loot now, item loot forever.

Also, make it 4 lvls. Good times playing actual classic EQ.

[Faerie]

Shut up, youve done enough harm to this server already

Do us all pvpers a favor, sell your shit and move to blue

Lol, ouch.

what exactly is bind rushing? i die on my druid and spawn oom. takes about 10-15 min to goto full mana. thats IF i have water near by and im not thirsty.if i decide to buff myself there is more downtime. 15 minutes or more is by no means any kind of rush unless your apm is 7. people arent bind rushing, they are just continuing to pvp. shits classic

deal with it

edit: oh forgot to count travel time.

Bindrushing is coming back to a fight you've already lost. Basically being a sore loser.

[mostbitter]

are you really so obtuse as to not notice sam was being sarcastic?

[Greegon]

man.. you nerds cried for month to turn that shit off.. been off 4 days and already want it back... LOL pussies.

[Nirgon]

First fix: 4 lvl range / remove custom "is your body ready text"
Second fix: remove 5% chance to ignore resists, make resistances at least more effective past 120
Third fix: item loot
Last fix: eventually implement true classic resist system

[Faerie]

How about "No PvP Wednesdays"?

[SamwiseRed]

brave samwise never gives up, never surrenders. call me a bind rusher but they way i see im a freedom fighter.

[gloinz]

First fix: 4 lvl range / remove custom "is your body ready text"
Second fix: remove 5% chance to ignore resists, make resistances at least more effective past 120
Third fix: item loot
Last fix: eventually implement true classic resist system

i see no skean/tstaff among those fixes

furthermore classic for young gloinz is a no level range server with xp loss on death, none of this baggy mcbag baby back bullshit

[Tradesonred]

There are 2 sets of classics i guess, im not too familiar with TZ/VZ which i think are similar to SZ.

I cant see myself enjoying EQ pvp with this kind of penalty for engaging in pvp in a game that has this limited amount of things to do.

I dont know what the SZ pvp scene looked like but from what i can gather it must have been boring as fuck.

I could and did spend entire afternoons with my wizard on the Gfay platforms / around crushbone duking it out with other players, thats my classic experience.

[SamwiseRed]

without teams, there is no point in implementing the other sz rules

[Tycko]

Exp penalty on PVP death is good, players abusing it to grief is bad. I think removing it entirely is a bad fix. It would be better to give players a buff after death that prevents them from PVP exp loss as long as they don't cast/loot corpse.

[big league chew]

Exp penalty on PVP death is good, players abusing it to grief is bad. I think removing it entirely is a bad fix. It would be better to give players a buff after death that prevents them from PVP exp loss as long as they don't cast/loot corpse.

this dudes making a lot of sense

but also yellowtext (with zone) in place alerts the server of any potential bindcamp grief, by the time the camper's enemies (usually numerous) arrive, even with the old exp loss system in place it would be tough to even cause a whole bubble to be lost. seriously, i dont think you all realize how small pvp exp loss was... actually a pretty grueling task to cause serious loss

seems fair to undo all the hard work the camper(s) did by restoring lost exp tho, seems real fuckin fair :cool:

[SamwiseRed]

this server is already a zerg fest, xp loss only caters to that crowd. also not a classic mechanic without hard coded TEAMS.

[big league chew]

huh notazerg here
worked fine for me

[Faerie]

i dont think you all realize how small pvp exp loss was... actually a pretty grueling task to cause serious loss

I'm so sorry for inconveniencing you, Chewie :(

Is there anything I can do to make it up to you?

[Tradesonred]

this dudes making a lot of sense

but also yellowtext (with zone) in place alerts the server of any potential bindcamp grief, by the time the camper's enemies (usually numerous) arrive, even with the old exp loss system in place it would be tough to even cause a whole bubble to be lost. seriously, i dont think you all realize how small pvp exp loss was... actually a pretty grueling task to cause serious loss

seems fair to undo all the hard work the camper(s) did by restoring lost exp tho, seems real fuckin fair :cool:

This is coming from a guy that enjoys hunting gearless new people on the server in unrest on his twink SK, correct?

[big league chew]

small hill made my job easier, no worries :)

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/faeriemontage2_zps46611b05.jpg

pretending to be a new player while posting things only a red99 vet would know made me assume the worst :/ cause we all know i only bindcamp nillys & nillyalts

[Faerie]

I agree that xp loss would be good if it couldn't be abused, but that's not at all the case :/

Maybe dying in pvp should lock that player out of the zone for an hour, with the exception of rez (so dead players on the winning side of a raid pvp fight can return).

cause we all know i only bindcamp nillys & nillyalts

News to me, Mister :P

[big league chew]

thats a good idea but lets make it a lil more extreme

dying in pvp should lock you out of eq for an hour
actually it should shut off your network adapter and/or start a small fire in the motherboard region
yessssss perfect! knew we'd come up with the best solution with a lil brainstorming

[Stinkum]

Maybe dying in pvp should lock that player out of the zone for an hour, with the exception of rez (so dead players on the winning side of a raid pvp fight can return)

lol'd at your stupidity

[Faerie]

lol'd at your stupidity

Hey, extreme measures wouldn't need to be taken if you people understood how to LnS.

[big league chew]

can we all just hug it out

[Faerie]

You still owe me a hug from the trade we made! Gotta pay up before we can move on.

[Tradesonred]

pretending to be a new player while posting things only a red99 vet would know made me assume the worst :/ cause we all know i only bindcamp nillys & nillyalts

She was one of the most active xp loss in pvp cheerleaders on the forums until the issue died down, trying to scare devs with the bindrushing scarecrow, then dissapeared for a year+ as population spiraled down.

Nellodie i think she was called

[Faerie]

She was one of the most active xp loss in pvp cheerleaders on the forums until the issue died down, trying to scare devs with the bindrushing scarecrow, then dissapeared for a year+ as population spiraled down.

Nellodie i think she was called

This was back before Kunark, and I really think the amount lost is much less at 50 than 55+. And there seem to be lots of people complaining about bindrushing now that xp loss is gone, so maybe it wasn't really a scarecrow...

I still think it'd be a good mechanic if our server wasn't full of Kimms and Chewies.

Also, I was Nellodee, not Nellodie. My friends called me Nell, except Wolfram. He called me Smellodee :(

[big league chew]

I still think it'd be a good mechanic if our server wasn't full of Kimms and Chewies

cant stop wont stop

[Faerie]

cant stop wont stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w8Pd_8A6sM

[big league chew]

cant click wont click

[SamwiseRed]

He clicked. Gonna go watch the new Star Trek finally. Hope it's gud

[big league chew]

i actually did click but then remembered the speakers i had plugged in took a hike & never returned :/

[Nirgon]

If this server was what RZ had been released as for live, it woulda been 90 pop too.

Add risk/reward, tune up resists at least a bit to and resolve glaring issues like mage pet root, highsun and pillar/rain infinite distance after cast starts.

Let the soft skins have their xp bonus, let the vztzjects have their YT.

But make the shit classic mechanically, for great success.

[freez]

if they fix resists we need a wipe


anything that major needs a wipe bro. u know it.

[Nirgon]

No, blue didn't wipe and there's been HUGE fixes there.

[freez]

On blue players dont fight each other.

:rolleyes:

[Nirgon]

Not with direct pvp, but there is competition otherwise.

(Stupid and should be on rotation, but I'll won't bring that up here lest the blue forum blood hounds get wind of it -- the play nice policy would have raped any of the shenanigans going on currently, minus VP training stuff but even then they'd probably step in after egregious amounts of grief)

[freez]

ah a blue server on rotation


sounds relaxing

[heartbrand]

How do you need a wipe because of resist fix? Wut? There won't be a wipe stop crying for one.

[Handpartytowel]

sign for xp loss*0.2 or item lootz

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

i have the most valuable character on the server and i 100% support a wipe

deal with it, neckbeards

[Nirgon]

It's true, Nizzar would trade his entire guild bank of Trak bps for that title.

Doesn't care if he earned or not, just that he has it. Truzme.

[gloinz]

i have the most valuable character on the server and i 100% support a wipe

deal with it, neckbeards

only a neckbeard or someone who was given their char would want to level to 60 ever again

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

only a neckbeard or someone who was given their char would want to level to 60 ever again

tell that to gongshow

i would never level to 60 at all on this server

if they fixed shit like resists, dumb items(tstaff, skean, golem wand, etc.) i'd certainly do it if it had a healthy population

[gloinz]

if they fixed shit like resists, dumb items(tstaff, skean, golem wand, etc.) i'd certainly do it if it had a healthy population

thats a lot of if's

lvling to 60 takes an eye of a bluebie idk if u could handle it

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

yeah of course

i'd do it eventually if the server were worth it

[Salem Orchid]

yeah and a half still havent leveled to 60 pretty much xp'ing sucks

[reddi lol]

thats a lot of if's

lvling to 60 takes an eye of a bluebie idk if u could handle it

this guy lol

[Swyft]

I could see why Nihilum has a problem with no exp loss, previously they would just call in 5-8 friends when they fought and lost to someone 1v1. Now they can't hold zones with the threat of exp loss from superior numbers.

I have no idea why the server's are down, but if I come back in and exp loss is gone after only 4 nihi cried for it, seems fishy to me.

[gloinz]

this guy lol

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSlut6JndVARiQmj59Kv-dVMab77pvEpARJPsPwvPp5moclSpfx

[gloinz]

I have no idea why the server's are down, but if I come back in and exp loss is gone after only 4 nihi cried for it, seems fishy to me.

if it comes back on and mobs repop at same time as botb its obviously azrael/force's doings

[Tomato King6]

if exp loss in pvp is re implemented many will quit , including myself

losing exp to pvp dumbest idea ever

[gloinz]

hundreds will quit

thousands
http://i.qkme.me/3tj6rv.jpg

[Swyft]

if it comes back on and mobs repop at same time as botb its obviously azrael/force's doings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=5hfYJsQAhl0&NR=1

[SamwiseRed]

gloinz benefiting the no xp loss more than anyone recently.

http://i.imgur.com/UM1Zn43.jpg

there were more but i zone slow and missed some of the messages.

[Seary]

How did Nihilum know LAST NIGHT that the server would be resetting today and they'd have to clear VP? They were posting about it last night, HOW?

[SamwiseRed]

uh because its their server, we just kill them on it.

[Nirgon]

The same people who wanted xp loss in want item loot out.

They are blue server lepers or VZTZjects.

These are the enemies of classic EverQuest.

http://s22.postimg.org/ep5wnemz5/toodamnhigh.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

i am down for item loot with this ffa ruleset. bring it on.

shit would get real classic quick because only the elites would be running around with non nodrop BIS (or morans)

[Nirgon]

When Gloinz was born, the doctor slapped his mother

[SamwiseRed]

this is not RL info so plz dont ban me but random google of gloinz turned up this lol

https://www.facebook.com/gloinz.irontoe

[Swyft]

When Gloinz was born, the doctor slapped his mother

Still laughing over this one

[reddi lol]

confirmed bluebie rper