The Paladin: Race and Deity

[Faerie Blossom]

As always, I am undecided. My new character is going to be a paladin, so that I might better spread messages of love, peace, and understanding to the world of Norrath. With that in mind, I'm exploring the various race/deity combination to hopefully find one that fits me. Maybe you can help!

I eliminated the option of dwarf off the bat, as they are ugly, unintelligent, and harmful to the environment. Was thinking of eliminating humans for being bland and uninteresting, but after visiting EQ allah and looking at some pictures they look okay in plate:

http://i40.tinypic.com/14nmpna.jpg

so I've included them again as a possibility. All of the other races are great, too, so I just don't know. I thought maybe eliminating some deities would help but it really didn't.

This narrows things down to:
Human of Rodcet/Erollisi
Half Elf of Rodcet/Erolisi/Tunare
High Elf of Tunare
Erudite of Quellious

Rodcet is great because "through faith in the Prime Healer, the wounded heart of the universe shall one day be mended, and death's dark shadow will never be seen again." Very romantic.

Erollisi is love, and that needs no explanation.

Tunare is my usual choice, because nature is great and it makes me think of the whole "oneness" thing.

Quellious is interesting, and it reminds me of Eastern religions which I'm kinda into.

It's such a shame that I have to pick just one race and religion :(

[Vermicelli]

Ehh .. What do you want to play? A paladin follows their heart to their god, and their god is their heart.

[SupaflyIRL]

human paladin looks cool in velious, half elf has a dildo helmet and high elves suck

dwarf is cool for a min maxer but then you have to look stupid

go tunare for velious deity specific stuff like natures defender or w/e

[killa0885pve]

Ereudite pallies are awesome, Look balla, and i know they are not the greatest stat wise, but they just look pimp.

[dragolyche]

Well,

If you want decent stats to start, i said Humain or Half elf.

If yu want best pal mana pool, and great Epic Tunare only (Half elf get it too), i said High elf with Tunare Diety. (My choice)

If yu want good specific pal Items, roll Erudite.

If yu want to be ugly and ridicoulus, but nice stats and good cultural armor, i said Dwarf.

welcome in Paths of truth and honor.:D

[Brut]

Why server chat turned into palaman chat recently?
Make dwarf for the awesome deity cultural armor, least em dont need diamonds to make their set.

[falkun]

For looks, dragon helmet and white tiger helmets can't be beat, although the scorpion isn't bad. Half elven Velious plate is just bad. Have a look for yourself on Velious armor models:
http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29595

Tunarian Paladins have one distinct advantage over every other paladin: the most badass weapon graphic:
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/c/6/c6696f135ae7d7ff15c0626163bb0dc3.jpg

It might not be as good as epic (slightly lower stats and cannot bash), but its pure beauty. Sadly the best close-up of it also used Luclin models.

[arsenalpow]

Erudite base stats are pretty miserable, but erudites obviously have the most style.

Human-boring
Dwarf-ugly
High elf-white supremist
Half elf-stupid looking

[Safon]

Erudite for pure baller status

[Samoht]

If you want decent stats to start, i said Humain or Half elf.

If yu want best pal mana pool, and great Epic Tunare only (Half elf get it too), i said High elf with Tunare Diety. (My choice)

Meet in the middle: Half-elf/Tunare

Still get the soard. Has enough STR to carry it.

[Xadion]

sword is win super style, sexy most bad ass looking sword.

[TWDL_Prexus]

Female Bearded Dwarf Paladin > any other paladin.

[Samoht]

Female Bearded Dwarf Paladin > any other paladin.

I has one.

[Stinkum]

Go Erudite or go home.

[Yibz]

Until they give other races the ability to backflip your first choice should always be dwarf.

[Gadwen]

Human, and Mith Marr is the only real god for paladins.

[Stinkum]

Mithaniel Marr is the only Paladin deity that actually makes sense as far as RP goes. You can be worship MithMarr as Human or Half Elf.

A Tunare Paladin is just plain retarded.

[Faerie Blossom]

Human, and Mith Marr is the only real god for paladins.

Mithaniel Marr is the only Paladin deity that actually makes sense as far as RP goes. You can be worship MithMarr as Human or Half Elf.

A Tunare Paladin is just plain retarded.

Why?

[Gadwen]

Why?

"Followers of Mithaniel Marr believe that valor is what separates civilized beings from beasts. His followers live by a strict moral code that prizes truth, honor and charity. They are champions of the downtrodden and the most noble of warriors. His followers strive to rid Norrath of all things dark and evil, often sacrificing themselves in this never ending quest. They will not rest until the day when all of Norrath is cleansed in Mithaniel's light. They take themselves and their duty very seriously, and have little patience for mischief of mayhem."

That is soooo Paladin.

[Stinkum]

Because Mithaniel Marr is the only one that is an actual description of a Paladin?

Dwarf = Dirt worshippers
Rodcet = Cleric deity
Tunare = Nature worshippers
Karana = Please bring me good weather!
Erudite (prexus) = Ocean worshippers

[Faerie Blossom]

What is the definition of paladin, then?

[Stinkum]

What is the definition of paladin, then?

The Mithaniel Marr description.

[Faerie Blossom]

I feel like we're going in circles, somehow...

[Buellen]

Human all the way. if you have blacksmith skill at 180skill or higher some decent armor to be had.

1. karana - 2 dex /4wis all pieces with some stam . oliv color plate

2. Rodcet nife- stam 2 wis 4 all pieces with some having cha. Plain steel look

3. Mithaniel Marr- Diamonds required not viable till velious unless you have deep pockets

4. Errolis Mar - cha 2 wis 4 on all pieces < I believe> not sure third stats on some pieces. rose colored plate.

not the most amazing stats BUT outside rodcet nife unique colors. rodcet nife is dam nice stuff for those want to build stam earlier.

[saedain]

high elf/tunare. lion helm in velious and natures defender. coolest looking thing ever

[Nune]

posts like this incline me to believe you are the greatest troll X99's have ever come across

[killa0885pve]

Is the Erudite Quellious plate armour in the game?
Full suit of that would be boss!

[Rooj]

female human of rodcet

[Faerie Blossom]

Is the Erudite Quellious plate armour in the game?
Full suit of that would be boss!

I would like to know, too. What color is this armor?

[Faerie Blossom]

I don't really roleplay, but I like my characters to have backstories. Why is that such a big deal?

[Itap]

I don't really roleplay, but I like my characters to have backstories. Why is that such a big deal?

People are afraid of things they don't understand

[Nune]

I don't really roleplay, but I like my characters to have backstories. Why is that such a big deal?

No one gives a shit about THAT aspect of EQ anymore, hence why you're either immersed further into EQEmu than most can fathom, or you're just the next well structured troll, and this far down the Emu road people are more expecting the troll half of the equation.

[reddi lol]

I don't really roleplay, but I like my characters to have backstories. Why is that such a big deal?

Power to the people

[killa0885pve]

Anyone know the answer about Steelsilk, erudite quellious religion armour, if it happens to be in the game? If it is i'd be prepared to buy a full set off someone.

[Korisek]

Because Mithaniel Marr is the only one that is an actual description of a Paladin?

Dwarf = Dirt worshippers
Rodcet = Cleric deity
Tunare = Nature worshippers
Karana = Please bring me good weather!
Erudite (prexus) = Ocean worshippers

It's more like "Shelter each other from the storm." Considering the fluff for the religion is that it's largely farmer communities, interdependence and being supportive of each other is a big thing. Some of the Qeynos paladin newbie quests even involve performing charity work for the farmers in the Karanas.

The whole rain thing is just an aspect of the god himself and a possible prayer for the farmers, who do rely on the weather for their crops and livelihoods.

[Edame]

There are definitely no smiths on P99 who make Steelsilk. The mats are extremely difficult to farm (with a high cap for trivialing and costly/high fizzle rate) and there's not enough Erudite Paladins/SKs for Erudite cultural smithing to be worth it. Hell, there's barely even any Human smiths.

[killa0885pve]

I'd pay 30 k for a set,

[kawing168]

I am human pal with Mithaniel Marr.
Cultural armor is not necessary.
i was Using bronze set when i start at 1999, then RO armor -> Plane gear.
It's fun to wearing bronze set to fight those undead at unrest =D
I enjoy the whole RO quest too, lot of run but it really fun.

[Lorraine]

Human, and Mith Marr is the only real god for paladins.

Why?

What is the definition of paladin, then?

The Mithaniel Marr description.

I feel like we're going in circles, somehow...



inb4 LOLRPER

I won't argue that Human should be the only race capable of being Paladins, that's another topic altogether (not to mention rolling a 17+ charisma with your sixth 3d6 roll) - but

Paladins are Lawful in regards to the 'Society' aspect; They are bound to respect,follow,honor the Laws of a land and follow the protocol. They can only question them when they deem they are directly opposed to their morals or sense of fairness towards the people (or their own religion). They are also 'Good' when it comes to how they treat other forms of life (intelligent or not), again obeying a morality and ethics code that is in direct contrast with nature.

Nature on the other hand is never governed by such fair laws. The weak get culled; Always food for the strong. Natural selection. Nature is neutral in every sense - even her devoted 'protectors' are either True Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or even Chaotic Neutral (druids & rangers).

Paladins would never side with that aspect of Nature. Why?
Simple as this -

Disorder leads to spiritual weakness.
Spiritual weakness leads to evil.
And evil will not be tolerated.

[Furinex]

inb4 LOLRPER

I won't argue that Human should be the only race capable of being Paladins, that's another topic altogether (not to mention rolling a 17+ charisma with your sixth 3d6 roll) - but

Paladins are Lawful in regards to the 'Society' aspect; They are bound to respect,follow,honor the Laws of a land and follow the protocol. They can only question them when they deem they are directly opposed to their morals or sense of fairness towards the people (or their own religion). They are also 'Good' when it comes to how they treat other forms of life (intelligent or not), again obeying a morality and ethics code that is in direct contrast with nature.

Nature on the other hand is never governed by such fair laws. The weak get culled; Always food for the strong. Natural selection. Nature is neutral in every sense - even her devoted 'protectors' are either True Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or even Chaotic Neutral (druids & rangers).

Paladins would never side with that aspect of Nature. Why?
Simple as this -

Disorder leads to spiritual weakness.
Spiritual weakness leads to evil.
And evil will not be tolerated.

+10 would read again.

[Clark]

haha dwarf harmful to the environment

[Ephirith]

inb4 LOLRPER

I won't argue that Human should be the only race capable of being Paladins, that's another topic altogether (not to mention rolling a 17+ charisma with your sixth 3d6 roll) - but

Paladins are Lawful in regards to the 'Society' aspect; They are bound to respect,follow,honor the Laws of a land and follow the protocol. They can only question them when they deem they are directly opposed to their morals or sense of fairness towards the people (or their own religion). They are also 'Good' when it comes to how they treat other forms of life (intelligent or not), again obeying a morality and ethics code that is in direct contrast with nature.

Nature on the other hand is never governed by such fair laws. The weak get culled; Always food for the strong. Natural selection. Nature is neutral in every sense - even her devoted 'protectors' are either True Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or even Chaotic Neutral (druids & rangers).

Paladins would never side with that aspect of Nature. Why?
Simple as this -

Disorder leads to spiritual weakness.
Spiritual weakness leads to evil.
And evil will not be tolerated.

A lot of the class framework was founded on the DnD rulesets, but there's no way I'm going to be that hidebound when it comes to class definition.

The way I see it, a paladin is just a knight in service of an idea, and they have devoted themselves to whatever liturgy that entails. A shadow knight is the same thing, except where a paladin's service is benevolent, a shadow knight's is malevolent.

A paladin of Mithaniel Marr would be very, very different from a paladin of Tunare.

Followers of Tunare believe that we are all Tunare's children. The children of Tunare seek to help Norrath, which they believe to be a living and breathing being, to blossom and grow. Followers believe that the world of Norrath gave birth to Tunare and from her all life has sprung forth. Thus, by worshiping and protecting the land, followers are paying homage and respect to the Mother of their Mother, who in turn protects and provides for them. Followers of Tunare will fight to the death to protect nature in all its forms. Many Druids, Rangers, and a great many of elves follow the ways of Tunare.

I see a Tunare paladin as being dedicated to the protection of natural purity, and directly antithetic to the corruption wrought by followers of deities like Bertoxxulous. Blights on the land like rabid grizzlies or undead infestations are just as reprehensible to a paladin of Tunare as they are to one of Marr.

Nothing in Everquest's interpretation of nature implies the disorder and lawlessness you find in the DnD version, where if I'm not mistaken you can have neutral-evil rangers. Even if such a thing existed in EQ, a Tunare paladin charged with the protection of nature may need only protect the system itself from evil interference and corruption, without participating in the moral ambiguity of the system itself.

Anyway, I was a big fan of paladins my first time around EQ, but now I'm 100% shadow knights :)

[Taeluuin]

Erudite of Quellious
End of Discussion.

[Faerie Blossom]

inb4 LOLRPER

I won't argue that Human should be the only race capable of being Paladins, that's another topic altogether (not to mention rolling a 17+ charisma with your sixth 3d6 roll) - but

Paladins are Lawful in regards to the 'Society' aspect; They are bound to respect,follow,honor the Laws of a land and follow the protocol. They can only question them when they deem they are directly opposed to their morals or sense of fairness towards the people (or their own religion). They are also 'Good' when it comes to how they treat other forms of life (intelligent or not), again obeying a morality and ethics code that is in direct contrast with nature.

Nature on the other hand is never governed by such fair laws. The weak get culled; Always food for the strong. Natural selection. Nature is neutral in every sense - even her devoted 'protectors' are either True Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or even Chaotic Neutral (druids & rangers).

Paladins would never side with that aspect of Nature. Why?
Simple as this -

Disorder leads to spiritual weakness.
Spiritual weakness leads to evil.
And evil will not be tolerated.

LOLRPER!

...But no, this was easily the best post in the thread and what I was actually hoping for. It's interesting that the "good knights" are so often associated with lawfulness. Most modern heroes are portrayed as renegades, and evil is associated with the law and bureaucracy. Somehow it's much easier to picture a shadow knight as they are depicted in lore than it is a paladin.

There really should be more religious texts in game. I kinda feel like we're forced to write our own.

If anyone was wondering, I ended up going the half elf Tunare route, and I justify my decision by using my own personal definition of paladin.

[Nirgon]

Don't make one on red unless you're Tarwine

[this user was banned]

OP is obviously a woman based on play style and the men posting in this thread don't understand women...

[webrunner5]

OP is obviously a woman based on play style and the men posting in this thread don't understand women...

I am 66 years old and I STILL don't understand women. :D:D

[this user was banned]

I am 66 years old and I STILL don't understand women. :D:D

Women are easy to understand; take logic, reason, and rational thinking, shove it up your ass, eat some taco bell, and then make a deposit at the oval bank. That explosive stain on the toilet is women.

[August]

Women are easy to understand; take logic, reason, and rational thinking, shove it up your ass, eat some taco bell, and then make a deposit at the oval bank. That explosive stain on the toilet is women.

Disgusting that this kind of sentiment would be voiced on this forum. I don't know how you were raised to think that saying something like that is even remotely acceptable. Really just despicable.

[this user was banned]

Disgusting that this kind of sentiment would be voiced on this forum. I don't know how you were raised to think that saying something like that is even remotely acceptable. Really just despicable.

Can't tell if trolled or trolling.jpg

[Faerie Blossom]

Disgusting that this kind of sentiment would be voiced on this forum. I don't know how you were raised to think that saying something like that is even remotely acceptable. Really just despicable.

There's no reason to censor nonsensible ignorance; it's apparent that nothing worthwhile was said and we should just move on from there.

Having said that, let's get back on topic :)

I think I might do some exploring of Norrath's religions sometime in the future. Kind of like a RP look, maybe through the eyes of my new paladin.

[Samoht]

I think I might do some exploring of Norrath's religions sometime in the future. Kind of like a RP look, maybe through the eyes of my new paladin.

someone should have rolled a bard...

[August]

If you think misogyny 'in jest' or 'as trolling' is hilarious then what you're actually preaching is misogyny.

If i joke about someone's race but it's 'nonsensible ignorance' it's not like that negates the fact that it's racism. Such sentiments are allowed to thrive because of people like you who think it's funny to say that kind of dribble.

Not trolling, nor am I trolled. The voicing of something even in jest such as that sentiment is degradation at its most insidious subtle manifestation.

[liveitup1216]

When did jokes about men not understanding women become misogyny? No jest, legitimate curiosity.

[this user was banned]

If you think misogyny 'in jest' or 'as trolling' is hilarious then what you're actually preaching is misogyny.

If i joke about someone's race but it's 'nonsensible ignorance' it's not like that negates the fact that it's racism. Such sentiments are allowed to thrive because of people like you who think it's funny to say that kind of dribble.

Not trolling, nor am I trolled. The voicing of something even in jest such as that sentiment is degradation at its most insidious subtle manifestation.

You'd make a great comedian.
- said no one ever

[this user was banned]

Here's a good one that offends both a race AND women

What's a Japanese girl's favourite holiday?
Erection day.

And I'm done with this thread.

Faerie Blossom, have fun with your paladin; check out the wiki if you want some info on the different gods. http://wiki.project1999.org/Deities

[Faerie Blossom]

You know what they say!

Men are from Luclin...

[killa0885pve]

I've just gone and created an Erudite Paladin, Quiellious religion.... Erudite pallies still look the best.

Anyone know the price on a runebranded girdle and a deepwater breastplate? Not wiki price, reasonable price.

[August]

When did jokes about men not understanding women become misogyny? No jest, legitimate curiosity.

The sentiment had nothing to do with men not understanding women beyond the first sentence that 'women are easy to understand'. I think calling women a stain on a toilet is pretty degrading to women - as is calling women irrational, illogical, and unreasonable.

I'm a dude. I just hate this passive bullshit that goes around in these types of circles. It doesn't matter if it's gender, race, or sexual preference. These jokes that get bantered around amongst like-minded people are a hindrance of leaving behind stupid shit like sharia, jim crow, and anti-lgbt legislation. It's in its innocence that we think it's OK

Clearly my opinion, you can carry on. Sometimes you need to think about what kind of sentiment you're trying to put down, and what you're really saying.

But by all means, defend the dude.

[Faerie Blossom]

I'm excited about the upcoming mental health rights revolution.

"We're here! We're crazy! Get used to it!" :P

Are there any Prexus paladins here? I wonder why anyone would go that route over Quellious.

[purist__]

Prexus is the only way to go if you roll Erudite.

Farming Deepwater Knight faction is one of the most annoying parts of the epic. Everyone else but Prexus Erudites have to do it.

[Faerie Blossom]

Prexus is the only way to go if you roll Erudite.

Farming Deepwater Knight faction is one of the most annoying parts of the epic. Everyone else but Prexus Erudites have to do it.

That sounds like a terrible reason to choose Prexus. You'd have your character worship a god just to make it a tiny bit easier to complete one quest? Quellious is easily one of the most interesting religious options in the game, being like a Buddha-ish journey toward inner peace and enlightenment. To give that up in favor of the vengeful water god (which could be cool, what with water being the life-giving force in the universe) just to avoid some faction work seems wrong indeed.

[Arteker]

Prexus is the only way to go if you roll Erudite.

Farming Deepwater Knight faction is one of the most annoying parts of the epic. Everyone else but Prexus Erudites have to do it.

you can do the faction needed in about 40 mins if you know how to do it , if u keep killing single mobs for it u doing wrong.

[pharmakos]

Rodcet is great because "through faith in the Prime Healer, the wounded heart of the universe shall one day be mended, and death's dark shadow will never be seen again." Very romantic.

this.

then you have to choose between nightvision and slightly better stats

plus imo humans look better in plate than half elves do

[liveitup1216]

The sentiment had nothing to do with men not understanding women beyond the first sentence that 'women are easy to understand'. I think calling women a stain on a toilet is pretty degrading to women - as is calling women irrational, illogical, and unreasonable.

I'm a dude. I just hate this passive bullshit that goes around in these types of circles. It doesn't matter if it's gender, race, or sexual preference. These jokes that get bantered around amongst like-minded people are a hindrance of leaving behind stupid shit like sharia, jim crow, and anti-lgbt legislation. It's in its innocence that we think it's OK

Clearly my opinion, you can carry on. Sometimes you need to think about what kind of sentiment you're trying to put down, and what you're really saying.

But by all means, defend the dude.

Woosh.

[kawing168]

Prexus is the only way to go if you roll Erudite.

Farming Deepwater Knight faction is one of the most annoying parts of the epic. Everyone else but Prexus Erudites have to do it.

I got my faction in about 3~4hours, i forgot.
I killed ton of npc inside painnel

[kawing168]

Prexus is the only way to go if you roll Erudite.

Farming Deepwater Knight faction is one of the most annoying parts of the epic. Everyone else but Prexus Erudites have to do it.

Deepwater knight faction is not annoying, it just take your time and can be done by yourself

[Kevynne]

High elf tunare pally 4 lyfe

[Kevynne]

Deepwater knight faction is not annoying, it just take your time and can be done by yourself

which means it's annoying

[killa0885pve]

Well I went ahead and made a Prexus Erudite Paladin, not due to the faction grinding stuff, I don't even know how long it will be before I can even get my hands on the epic.

Is it possible to get the Soulfire reasonably early? or is there some Bottleneck major mob that i'm going to have to raid.

So far it's been great, my stats are not that great of course being Erudite.

Level 21 Paladin so far, hit up "Theknight" if anyone needs a tank =).

[Nune]

which means it's annoying

How's Sleeper? / if you see Divinyl tell em to come get a hold of me if ya would

[Yardcore]

inb4 LOLRPER

I won't argue that Human should be the only race capable of being Paladins, that's another topic altogether (not to mention rolling a 17+ charisma with your sixth 3d6 roll) - but

Paladins are Lawful in regards to the 'Society' aspect; They are bound to respect,follow,honor the Laws of a land and follow the protocol. They can only question them when they deem they are directly opposed to their morals or sense of fairness towards the people (or their own religion). They are also 'Good' when it comes to how they treat other forms of life (intelligent or not), again obeying a morality and ethics code that is in direct contrast with nature.

Nature on the other hand is never governed by such fair laws. The weak get culled; Always food for the strong. Natural selection. Nature is neutral in every sense - even her devoted 'protectors' are either True Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or even Chaotic Neutral (druids & rangers).

Paladins would never side with that aspect of Nature. Why?
Simple as this -

Disorder leads to spiritual weakness.
Spiritual weakness leads to evil.
And evil will not be tolerated.

Deep!