Zero Reasons not to Wipe

[GrobbGangsta]

Wipe server, implement YT and other thoughtful changes advocated by people who actually want to play a populated server. Restore exp bonus to 100%.

Instantly have 250+ population and lots of action. That is what it is all about.

To "those people" currently on top who rabidly oppose this, I seriously wonder why you are so against it unless there is some serious tunic trading going on. You have every raid mob on lockdown, all the gear, and nobody to contest it. It can't be that fun.

Just implementing changes, which is advocated by "those people," is not enough. 100 or so regular players are not going to all the sudden say "Oh ok I will sign on and play regularly now and grind to 60 now that we have yellow text!" Shit is still too top heavy and dissuades any new or upcoming players.

RESTART THE CYCLE FAGGOTS

[Barkingturtle]

RESTART THE FAGGOT CYCLE; WIPE THE SEREVR

[reddi lol]

Merge red with blue and get it over with

[Jenni D]

As long as nihi enjoy raiding uncontested, you will always have opposition to your quest

i wish thee well.

[Malevz]

EQer looking for server: What server do I want to play on, hmmm, this one that deletes the playerbase looks good! I really want a server where I can spend a large chunk of time leveling up and gearing so I can be be deleted, that's the server for me!

Former red99 level 60: Well, that was a lot of work, and now my character(s) are gone. I'm sure they won't wipe again, and I'm confident that I should level up.

Former red99 crybaby: Wow I lost the server and now they press the reset button! This time I'm going to actually get level 60, spend less time on the message boards, and be a hero endgame. This time Nihilum won't stop me. I'm sure not to get bored on the way leveling like I did this time, I won't cry for exp bonuses, and blame everyone else for me not getting 60. Hmmmm, I'm bored and people are already 5 levels ahead of me. TO THE BOARDS TO CRY FOR ANOTHER WIPE!

Shits classic.

[evilldacbane]

Wipe it clean.

[GrobbGangsta]

EQer looking for server: What server do I want to play on, hmmm, this one that deletes the playerbase looks good! I really want a server where I can spend a large chunk of time leveling up and gearing so I can be be deleted, that's the server for me!

Former red99 level 60: Well, that was a lot of work, and now my character(s) are gone. I'm sure they won't wipe again, and I'm confident that I should level up.

Former red99 crybaby: Wow I lost the server and now they press the reset button! This time I'm going to actually get level 60, spend less time on the message boards, and be a hero endgame. This time Nihilum won't stop me. I'm sure not to get bored on the way leveling like I did this time, I won't cry for exp bonuses, and blame everyone else for me not getting 60. Hmmmm, I'm bored and people are already 5 levels ahead of me. TO THE BOARDS TO CRY FOR ANOTHER WIPE!

Shits classic.

"What you can't seem to understand (or don't want to acknowledge) is that you are just reinforcing my point. Yes, you won, and yes, the opposition cannot win by pvp or competition.

So, like I said, do you want to just flail around on an 80 pop server, regearing alt after alt with VP gear and occasionally ganking someone not in Nihilum who pops in from time to time to see what is up?

I would be like the Ravens staying in an empty stadium after winning the Superbowl and just running around in circles.

Start another season, IMO (unless all you care about is runed mithril tunics)"

Main is 59, im not casting any blame on anyone. You just love your pixels so much that you cannot comprehend that it might actually be more fun to pvp with a high population.

[Bazia]

This server has sucked since feb '12

[Colgate]

naw sucked since december 2011 right after it came out

[Nune]

"What you can't seem to understand (or don't want to acknowledge) is that you are just reinforcing my point. Yes, you won, and yes, the opposition cannot win by pvp or competition.

So, like I said, do you want to just flail around on an 80 pop server, regearing alt after alt with VP gear and occasionally ganking someone not in Nihilum who pops in from time to time to see what is up?

I would be like the Ravens staying in an empty stadium after winning the Superbowl and just running around in circles.

Start another season, IMO (unless all you care about is runed mithril tunics)"

Main is 59, im not casting any blame on anyone. You just love your pixels so much that you cannot comprehend that it might actually be more fun to pvp with a high population.

lollerskated

[Nune]

And by the way dawg, your efforts are in vein. Nihi came here to have uncontested raiding, they've said it a million times. They knew better than to try and dethrone TMO so they went to red where you could win by tag #s alone, and it's working/worked. Why would they spend years getting themselves into King Jeoffery status only to let the devs bring winter back onto all the realm

[Thepen]

I'm not 60, not in Nihilum and I fully veto all of this.

YT without exp loss = worthless.
Exp bonus = for scrubs.
Server wipe = for cry babies.

[quido]

the penis mightier

[Doors]

I can def see them wiping considering they are in the process of doing red's botb.

[GrobbGangsta]

I'm not 60, not in Nihilum and I fully veto all of this.

YT without exp loss = worthless.
Exp bonus = for scrubs.
Server wipe = for cry babies.

Not to derail my (probably futile) thread, but you do realize that everyone hates you, right? Like you don't even have a small group of shitstain friends, just utter hatred from all directions.

RESTART THE CYCLE

[Thepen]

oh man that hurts. I have plenty of friends in EVERY guild. Everyone knows where I farm, yet I've only died 3 times in the past month, to 2 people. 2 of the 3 deaths I was afk. YES AFK! I AFK ON THE REGULAR! I'm pretty sure if everyone hated me, I'd die a lot more.

Bring it.

[mendan]

I'm not 60, not in Nihilum and I fully veto all of this.

YT without exp loss = worthless.
Exp bonus = for scrubs.
Server wipe = for cry babies.


I got 1500 friends and I agree with this guy.

[Smedy]

oh man that hurts. I have plenty of friends in EVERY guild. Everyone knows where I farm, yet I've only died 3 times in the past month, to 2 people. 2 of the 3 deaths I was afk. YES AFK! I AFK ON THE REGULAR! I'm pretty sure if everyone hated me, I'd die a lot more.

Bring it.

So i was the only guy who got you when you weren't afk? fuk me, i should buy a lottery ticket

[Thepen]

I don't know who you are, but it was Topdog. Used 2 aoe nukes after I used my manastone down to 30%. Ravi got me the other 2 times, both while afk.

[Thepen]

Even if I forgot a kill shot that you got, killing me isn't anything impressive. I'm constantly below 50% health without my heal loaded. 2 nukes and I'm dead.

My point was I don't die often, and if I was wildly hated by everyone, I'd die a lot more. I won't deny a lot of people hate me. Haters gonna hate. How dare Thepen sell his items more than everyone else, even though he sells them easily. HOW DARE HE!

[GrobbGangsta]

I got 1500 friends and I agree with this guy.

Totally makes sense bro. Maintaining the status quo and your gear advantage > increasing population and having a viable box.

Now, I can predict your response because it will be a Nihilum Defense, i.e. throwing back an overused meme that was once funny when used by funny people but has been beaten to death by faggots like yourself. You are the guy at the bar still quoting Always Sunny because "Charlie is funny!" There are three choices:

1. you mad
2. cry more or some variation
3. jimmies rustled

No amount of "you mads" and delusion can overcome the fact that box no longer viable.

[ConQuistador]

Bottom line is, P99 Red has the exposure, it has enough interest to be a high population, thriving server, now that everyone knows where they stand friend and guild-wise (nihilum vs other assorted guilds) why not restart the engine and let the power play happen naturally, you all know that you love that pvp and sprint from 1 to 50 in old world EQ more than anything. Whose down for some Gfay/Crushbone action?

[mendan]

same players, same results.

as of 2 weeks ago, box was thriving. azrael and force had amassed 50 people to raid content. now its time to cry about it because you lost.

[Malevz]

There's a number of other everquest emu boxes with low pop. If you want a fresh start you should consider one of those.

[reddi lol]

Your dollar bills agree with a guy that farms and sells? Sounds incriminating.

[Thepen]

My gear advantage? I'm level 56 and have never been in a guild. Everything I have I earned myself. I started on this server in Jan. 2013. No Seb key. No HS Key. No VP key. Never zoned into KC. Never zoned into SolB.

Nihilum defense? Rofl. I'd delete my toon and all my gear before even considering raiding for Nizzar.

[GrobbGangsta]

My gear advantage? I'm level 56 and have never been in a guild. Everything I have I earned myself. I started on this server in Jan. 2013. No Seb key. No HS Key. No VP key. Never zoned into KC. Never zoned into SolB.

Nihilum defense? Rofl. I'd delete my toon and all my gear before even considering raiding for Nizzar.

Wasn't talking to you...

But you are a total fag

[mendan]

It would fix things temporarily.. till the same, or a different group rose to zerg ffa. A fresh start always temporarily increase playerbase, popularity, hope, and sense of rush. It would even personally be good for me as a developer to have unreported low level bugs discovered. It should not happen, though. Wiping characters isn't going to happen, as per Rogean and I agree with it.


let me break this down in terms for some of the lower educated people:

same players, same results.

[Thepen]

It still relates. You are mad because you suck.

[GrobbGangsta]

let me break this down in terms for some of the lower educated people:

same players, same results.

Let me break this down for you:

Spent $1500 on a fucking Everquest item. Pixel lust spiraling out of control as he frantically blankets forums with anti-wipe propaganda even though "it would never happen." Chose #2 (cry more) of the Nihilum Defenses I outlined.

[mendan]

No amount of "you mads" and delusion can overcome the fact that box no longer viable.

box was viable 2 weeks ago when there was 80+ people in a zone pvping over pixels.

[Zereh]

same players, same results.

Exactly. Boxtards repeatedly shit on a serve and then cry for a new one.

[Zereh]

server*

[reddi lol]

Then u reset mobs to spawn at noon fagat

[mendan]

Spent $1500 on a fucking Everquest item. .

you strike me as one of the ignorant fucks that actually believes this outrageous accusation. trolling me about it is a grand time, but if you actually believe it, you are a moran...

[Colgate]

Exactly. Boxtards repeatedly shit on a serve and then cry for a new one.

this is a player who does not pvp, even if its for a raid mob, and angrily logs off at the suggestion of a train from a guildmate when they will clearly lose any other kind of pvp engagement

o wait they lost anyway and stasis got banned for a few weeks ehehehe

[ConQuistador]

same people does not equal same results, because nihi got a head start over everyone else, most of the people in force and azrael started within the last 6 months

[Malevz]

Azrael in disarray, guild dissolving, conspiracy theories about GM corruption not holding water, losing members at an alarming rate. Too used to games they can save/reload every 10 seconds when something goes wrong.

[Thepen]

Sounds like Grobb is sad/mad that he can't afford to spend $1500 on an EQ pixel.

Sucking less in life = Winning in EQ. Winning in EQ = Winning in life. We all know this!

[ConQuistador]

They scared cause they know they gonna lose power if they have to operate on an even playing field

[ConQuistador]

Thepen your comments just cement the fact that you are a fat loser who collects welfare checks and has an obama phone "winning in eq=winning at life" i hope you said that as a joke, but either way I know you truly believe that, i feel sorry for you

[Thepen]

Ouch. Why you gotta hurt me bro? Government programs are there for a reason.

[Thepen]

Yeah, I believe winning in EQ is winning in life. That's why I'm in Nihilum....oh wait, I'm not.

[Malevz]

Have you considered forming up under Brobb/Kilkur. I remember Brobb from VZ, wasn't a bad guy, and seems to be a better leader than Azrael's. I mean I can see the scrambling for a server wipe cause you've lost again, and you're running out of guild names... but you should consider you have the same leadership, plus you put your faith in Kringe, so the problem is clear.

Instead of merging Force into Azrael, Azrael could app to force and have better leadership.

[GrobbGangsta]

Have you considered forming up under Brobb/Kilkur. I remember Brobb from VZ, wasn't a bad guy, and seems to be a better leader than Azrael's. I mean I can see the scrambling for a server wipe cause you've lost again, and you're running out of guild names... but you should consider you have the same leadership, plus you put your faith in Kringe, so the problem is clear.

Instead of merging Force into Azrael, Azrael could app to force and have better leadership.

My argument is "you won, lets play again" and your argument is "WE WON!"

[nilbog]

It amazes me how well people get along with each other.

On live, there were many more guilds. Was it because of more players?.. That was my original thought but now I'm not really sure. I think people have fallen into sheep roles where as long as someone is willing to lead, they will march 10x10 as long as they get loot.

I would have thought there would be a point where people would be like.. FUUUUUCK YOU, I'm out. That doesn't seem to happen. Are the leaders really that good, or are the followers sheeped out?

This 'problem' could be resolved by players leaving their current guilds and making more.. guilds. This power does reside with the people. I'm sure I'll get responses like, wipe the server, or that I don't know what I'm talking about.. but.. this is something I've seen on both pve and pvp now, and it's different than live.. emu phenomenon?

[Malevz]

Wipe away if that's what GM's want, but I'd switch to another game. And when it happens again in a few months that one guild is in the lead do what? Wipe again? But only if the loudest people aren't in it? Why not wipe blue too, TMO raids with like 60+ people I hear.

Easy answer: It would kill the server(s).

[Vile]

it will never be wiped... fools

[evilldacbane]

damn, nilbog just shit on nihilum HARD

[Vile]

This 'problem' could be resolved by players leaving their current guilds and making more.. guilds. This power does reside with the people. I'm sure I'll get responses like, wipe the server, or that I don't know what I'm talking about.. but.. this is something I've seen on both pve and pvp now, and it's different than live.. emu phenomenon?

pras nilbog.

also increase xp up to lvl 45 will help big time.. imo. server is so top end heavy.. i havent seen anyone in my lvl range...

[GrobbGangsta]

It amazes me how well people get along with each other.

On live, there were many more guilds. Was it because of more players?.. That was my original thought but now I'm not really sure. I think people have fallen into sheep roles where as long as someone is willing to lead, they will march 10x10 as long as they get loot.

I would have thought there would be a point where people would be like.. FUUUUUCK YOU, I'm out. That doesn't seem to happen. Are the leaders really that good, or are the followers sheeped out?

This 'problem' could be resolved by players leaving their current guilds and making more.. guilds. This power does reside with the people. I'm sure I'll get responses like, wipe the server, or that I don't know what I'm talking about.. but.. this is something I've seen on both pve and pvp now, and it's different than live.. emu phenomenon?

Regardless of this phenomenon, and what causes it, there are a few realities:

1. Nobody is leaving Nihilum, and it isn't breaking up
2. The server pop on red is returning to dark ages
3. Yellow text ain't bringing us back to 200 at peak times

So, would you rather stick to your guns, and stand by the no wipe policy as the server dwindles to nothing to appease those who currently have a stranglehold, or would you rather start the cycle again, and hundreds of people swarm back in playing classic PVP?

As to Raze's concern, once again dude, I am not suggesting this happen every six months, but only now because it seems absolutely necessary. It has been two years.

[reddi lol]

It amazes me how well people get along with each other.

On live, there were many more guilds. Was it because of more players?.. That was my original thought but now I'm not really sure. I think people have fallen into sheep roles where as long as someone is willing to lead, they will march 10x10 as long as they get loot.

I would have thought there would be a point where people would be like.. FUUUUUCK YOU, I'm out. That doesn't seem to happen. Are the leaders really that good, or are the followers sheeped out?

This 'problem' could be resolved by players leaving their current guilds and making more.. guilds. This power does reside with the people. I'm sure I'll get responses like, wipe the server, or that I don't know what I'm talking about.. but.. this is something I've seen on both pve and pvp now, and it's different than live.. emu phenomenon?

Ready to have a bunch of 10-15 man guilds that do seb and pvp but web Nihilum has a 100 man rosterx3 vP geared alts plugged into zones for lemmings style PvP it's not a viable option.

Forced to counterzerg under shit guild with shit leader spending 3 hours buffing and lfg while being told to follow a bard that doesn't selo your group and has your 30 members stream across 3 zones and get 1 shotted.

Classic. Vlassic.

[Malevz]

I think people have fallen into sheep roles where as long as someone is willing to lead, they will march 10x10 as long as they get loot.

You should consider the fact that some of us genuinely like our guildies. I started out disliking Nihilum, killing them in Uprising, then in my own guild. Eventually Supreme told me it was a good group of people and I decided to join.

Now there is a ton of people I like. I troll Tune constantly, and he trolls me back and I laugh my ass off. He acts mock offended because it makes it funnier sometimes. Nizzar yelling OMG you guys are retarded makes me laugh. Ordaga calling out during raid ... um who keeps trying to chain snare me is great fun. Hassling Nothxu because he attacked a Nihilum alt in KC, Cyborella making jokes in teamspeak, and all the danish people we have making swede jokes... Old man Arzak... Dekadenz asking about how to play magic the gathering... Checkraise saying mkaymkay and listening to 5 people trying to imitate him. Seeing new people in the guild and helping gear them up and get their epics...

EQ is the game it is because of the community. You spend hours a day leveling, questing, raiding, and helping the same people, you get used to them. I like the pvp, and the pve, but the reason I keep logging in is because in <Defiant> on live and <Nihilum> here, it's a great group of people.

Sometimes I miss being in a four person guild, but I'd get bored running around and pvping eventually. It's the people that need a tank or a healer, or just want to bullshit in teamspeak, that's what keeps you coming back.

[reddi lol]

Homo

[GrobbGangsta]

You should consider the fact that some of us genuinely like our guildies. I started out disliking Nihilum, killing them in Uprising, then in my own guild. Eventually Supreme told me it was a good group of people and I decided to join.

Now there is a ton of people I like. I troll Tune constantly, and he trolls me back and I laugh my ass off. He acts mock offended because it makes it funnier sometimes. Nizzar yelling OMG you guys are retarded makes me laugh. Ordaga calling out during raid ... um who keeps trying to chain snare me is great fun. Hassling Nothxu because he attacked a Nihilum alt in KC, Cyborella making jokes in teamspeak, and all the danish people we have making swede jokes... Old man Arzak... Dekadenz asking about how to play magic the gathering... Checkraise saying mkaymkay and listening to 5 people trying to imitate him. Seeing new people in the guild and helping gear them up and get their epics...

EQ is the game it is because of the community. You spend hours a day leveling, questing, raiding, and helping the same people, you get used to them. I like the pvp, and the pve, but the reason I keep logging in is because in <Defiant> on live and <Nihilum> here, it's a great group of people.

Sometimes I miss being in a four person guild, but I'd get bored running around and pvping eventually. It's the people that need a tank or a healer, or just want to bullshit in teamspeak, that's what keeps you coming back.

Not gonna lie I got full on second-hand embarrassment reading this virgin-infused nostalgic rambling

In other news, it completely fails to address the issue

[heartbrand]

Lol retti summed it up. The opposition is led by an idiot. I'm not happy with the amount of people in nihilum currently and I'm open about that. I do happen to genuinely like the majority of people in my guild though such as nizzar, dekadenz, hectorchrist, tune, holo crew, mendan, action, others etc. I can speak only for me personally I'm not about to leave a bunch of people I genuinely like to go join Lite and company made up of selfish brain dead players who are more concerned about farming fungi tunic #100 then helping fight the good fight. I put up with the crew that is the opposition for almost a year, no thanks amigos. What is needed is fresh blood, preferably a guild from blue, to all come over to red. Right now unfortunately there's just no attractive alternative for people apart from nihilum. Almost every app we get says the same thing "I wanted to play for the under dog but they are retarded."

[reddi lol]

"I like the sounds of this guys voice and that guys voice" "these are all the little gay quirky things we do" u fucking disgust me. When's te next time you the quit because people tell you to stop talking about doing coke and making gay ass jokes.

[heartbrand]

And how can we get new blood without just wiping and everything and killing server pop in the long run? By enabling one time blue to red transfer.

[heartbrand]

Every time I even begin to think about shaking thinks up I just remind myself of how it used to take three hours for people to form up in south ro and buff for the most trivial of encounters.

[Malevz]

Not gonna lie I got full on second-hand embarrassment reading this virgin-infused nostalgic rambling

In other news, it completely fails to address the issue

Enjoying the game and liking your guildmates seems to work.

How goes raging, greed, dissent and people stealing off each other work? Oh right you're crying for a pwipe. Working well I assume.

[GrobbGangsta]

Every time I even begin to think about shaking thinks up I just remind myself of how it used to take three hours for people to form up in south ro and buff for the most trivial of encounters.

More or less fun than no pvp, contests, players?

BTW 100% support transfer

[heartbrand]

I'd rather farm shit on a dead box or not log on at all than wait three hours for people like sickpuppy and Coshigga to stop farming droga and show up while refreshing resist disease on Andis for the third time in the interim.

[GrobbGangsta]

I'd rather farm shit on a dead box or not log on at all than wait three hours for people like sickpuppy and Coshigga to stop farming droga and show up while refreshing resist disease on Andis for the third time in the interim.

Specifically forest loops?

[nilbog]

Regardless of this phenomenon, and what causes it, there are a few realities:

1. Nobody is leaving Nihilum, and it isn't breaking up
2. The server pop on red is returning to dark ages
3. Yellow text ain't bringing us back to 200 at peak times

So, would you rather stick to your guns, and stand by the no wipe policy as the server dwindles to nothing to appease those who currently have a stranglehold, or would you rather start the cycle again, and hundreds of people swarm back in playing classic PVP?

As to Raze's concern, once again dude, I am not suggesting this happen every six months, but only now because it seems absolutely necessary. It has been two years.

Like I have said, a wipe is something I'd be against. You might not like the people that play, play yourself, or not like the current standing of the server but it doesn't change the fact that people do play. I'm not resetting the server on whims, and also I'm not responsible for doing so. I occasionally get feedback and try to communicate. Would I rather.. is irrelevant. I'd rather there be a constantly rotating weekly server with Highlander rules and reincarnation. The point I'm getting at is.. there are > 0 reasons not to wipe the server.

Ready to have a bunch of 10-15 man guilds that do seb and pvp but web Nihilum has a 100 man rosterx3 vP geared alts plugged into zones for lemmings style PvP it's not a viable option.

Forced to counterzerg under shit guild with shit leader spending 3 hours buffing and lfg while being told to follow a bard that doesn't selo your group and has your 30 members stream across 3 zones and get 1 shotted.

Classic. Vlassic.

Was referring to the guilds with huge rosters. I posed this same question a long time ago for the pve server, and the replies were that guilds were massive because there is variance. Here, the same thing happens and there is no variance, which led me to ask it again.



I'm just here chatting it up in r&f, not to the change the world. Although I have a vote in changing the world, you should keep in mind what a % of people want is relative to the people vocally asking for it.

I'm straight up saying.. it is within the power of the leading guilds to change the server as it stands. Why isn't that done? Is it only for loot?

[reddi lol]

Nothing will ever change. Only way to equal numbers for contesting is having server vs Nihilum. Sad as fuck. If you ad all their alts they plug into zone for PvP they out number the entire server x3. They farm uncontested so much they just keep retooling alts to make the numbers more and more in their favor.

I agree w HB - most nilly are actually good guys. Nizzar is the best guild leader hands down he knows every encounter and is leading the same core since classic so they synergiZe etter by default. But when you can Zerg the fuck out of everyone despite having the ear level advantage you snowball the disparities o the point of 0 opportunity and kill box.

Grats.

Considering the majority are blue ejects that are here for static spawn they don't give a fuck if box dies. They get to have everything they couldn't have on blue.

Disgusting. I'm disgusted in myself for being so immersed that I actually care enough to complain. I guess that's what happens when you hang in to the hope of an unbiased equal opportunity box and keep playing and hoping until finally your 100 days played across different toons and power leveling and realize nothing will change.

[heartbrand]

I think I summed up why. Opposition is mainly on awful time zones, is full of the people who bring RL attacks into the game, on average the people in the opposition are in their early 20's stoner types whereas most in nihilum are late 20's with families / jobs so the culture is far different (n word left and right in azrael but not in nihilum), azrael is full of cliques who don't help each other and its dog eat dog there (people like sickpuppy and sealer price gouging their own members) whereas in nihilum most people will help you at a moments notice with anything including gear / pl, competent leadership vs. awful leadership. It's completely night and day. Yes there are idiots in nihilum, yes there are good people in azrael (hi Larsen pal) but on the whole what I'm stating is pretty accurate. We would need a complete draft or something but I just don't see that ever happening because people take this game way too seriously in terms for their hatred of other players. Me personally ill play with anyone, but most people don't feel that way.

[HeisChuck]

wipe it clean, boost xp, add yt, fix resists

[GrobbGangsta]

Like I have said, a wipe is something I'd be against. You might not like the people that play, play yourself, or not like the current standing of the server but it doesn't change the fact that people do play. I'm not resetting the server on whims, and also I'm not responsible for doing so. I occasionally get feedback and try to communicate. Would I rather.. is irrelevant. I'd rather there be a constantly rotating weekly server with Highlander rules and reincarnation. The point I'm getting at is.. there are > 0 reasons not to wipe the server.


It would only be a "whim" if the server population were healthy, which it is not. A "whim" suggests that there are no problems and I just want this for personal reasons.

In addition, saying you wont wipe the server because thats the rule you made a while ago is like people saying pot should not be decriminalized "because its the law," i.e. not a reason. Also, im not asking for "Highlander rules and reincarnation." Im asking for a change that would temporarily disadvantage a tiny minority of outspoken Nihilum members and revitalize red 99 for the rest of us.

[reddi lol]

I'm straight up saying.. it is within the power of the leading guilds to change the server as it stands. Why isn't that done? Is it only for loot?

Because if you consider the leadership is unemployed and enjoy farming dragon pixels and then consider the underground market of RMT you could draw assumptions but I don't want to get banned for the 100th time namean?

Also see previous post about blue rejects and MQ ban receivers that play in that guild. Here they got a second chance. Nilly doesn't care about the health of your project you poured your sweat into. They want money, loot, and could care less if they had 30 online at peak hours all tagged Nihilum.

[heartbrand]

Plenty of people in nihilum aren't happy with the state of the server. But we aren't all going to disband and hold hands with Andis and lite because of it. The RMT accusations are dumb if there was RMT you'd see random people running around with COF's trak bps etc and yet you don't. Just make the fixes needed open up transfers and have a huge month long xp bonus and make sure it all happens before velious. Be bold and brave and try something new like item loot etc.

[nilbog]

And how can we get new blood without just wiping and everything and killing server pop in the long run? By enabling one time blue to red transfer.

What would happen if all those transfers joined 1 guild and it was Nihilum?

Not saying they would, but.. that's a possibility.

[GrobbGangsta]

Plenty of people in nihilum aren't happy with the state of the server. But we aren't all going to disband and hold hands with Andis and lite because of it. The RMT accusations are dumb if there was RMT you'd see random people running around with COF's trak bps etc and yet you don't. Just make the fixes needed open up transfers and have a huge month long xp bonus and make sure it all happens before velious. Be bold and brave and try something new like item loot etc.

Claiming that there is no RMT going on is seriously laughable

[nilbog]

It would only be a "whim" if the server population were healthy, which it is not. A "whim" suggests that there are no problems and I just want this for personal reasons.

In addition, saying you wont wipe the server because thats the rule you made a while ago is like people saying pot should not be decriminalized "because its the law," i.e. not a reason. Also, im not asking for "Highlander rules and reincarnation." Im asking for a change that would temporarily disadvantage a tiny minority of outspoken Nihilum members and revitalize red 99 for the rest of us.

You keep wanting something out of me that I'm not going to give. I'm not the sole decision maker for this project. Ultimately, I decide if the content is classic and that it exists. I'm down for conversation and opinions, but keep that in mind.

[heartbrand]

I think, and I don't speak for nihilum, that something like that would not be acceptable to the member base. We already have too many people but many of them fall into the category of "the opposition is awful its either nihilum or I'm quitting." My hope with transfers would be an entire guild would see the futility of blues end game raid scene and come over in whole to compete. Velious will also be great for smaller guilds who would to grab Kunark targets that will no longer be held down. Maybe I'm just thinking wishfully but I truly don't believe we'd open the flood gates and allow a hundred blue apps.

[reddi lol]

I remember hen Jeffrey/Minie quit one of the many times they quit, we saw the characters and mistwalkers both on PL website. Shortly after Rogean did the exploited dragon loot deletes and it poofed Jeffrey's mistwalker.

Supreme and Nizzar tol me to give my MW to him. Even tho we saw it on PL website...

Few weeks later Taiden is spotted with mistwalker at Dino camp. He kept it a secret and nobody in guild knew he had it.

#vlassic
#whatdoesitmeantho

[GrobbGangsta]

You keep wanting something out of me that I'm not going to give. I'm not the sole decision maker for this project. Ultimately, I decide if the content is classic and that it exists. I'm down for conversation and opinions, but keep that in mind.

This is what I am concerned about. 70-80 people peak times does not satisfy my notion of "existing," but everyone has their own definition

[heartbrand]

Claiming that there is no RMT going on is seriously laughable

The onus is on you to prove such. If there was RMT by the guild you would see again people you never heard of or who aren't in nihilum walking around in end game gear. But yet you don't. I do the dkp logs with thrilla. Every item is tracked. Stop making up bullshit. On the other hand there is an RMT market for accounts but that's not a guild sponsored phenomenon.

[heartbrand]

I remember hen Jeffrey/Minie quit one of the many times they quit, we saw the characters and mistwalkers both on PL website. Shortly after Rogean did the exploited dragon loot deletes and it poofed Jeffrey's mistwalker.

Supreme and Nizzar tol me to give my MW to him. Even tho we saw it on PL website...

Few weeks later Taiden is spotted with mistwalker at Dino camp. He kept it a secret and nobody in guild knew he had it.

#vlassic
#whatdoesitmeantho

I heard a lot of stuff about nihilum during classic. I don't know what happened then I can only speak to what happens now.

[nilbog]

TBH, I'm not opposed to a 1 time transfer from pve-pvp. I'd probably vote yes on it; an unconditional, one time transfer. And that's only for pve->pvp, not from pvp->pve.

I don't see how it would help with zerging though. You assume that people would join forces against the biggest guilds. With the current ruleset, the only thing (I think) that would change gameplay is for the biggest guilds to split in half. I don't play, but from everything I understand, I would be one of the people leading a split. :x

[heartbrand]

As a further response to nilbog, a guild here Force tried on multiple occasions to merge with nihilum but was rebutted as being bad for the server. There's plenty of people to contest they just are all choosing for a variety of reasons to sit on the sidelines.

[heartbrand]

I'll say it again no one wants to split because they like each other and because the other side is awful and no one wants to play with then. The few people who made the jump from nihilum to the opposition instantly regretted it. Bring in the fresh blood via transfers. Also fixing resists will go a long way to allowing competition to actually compete with fewer numbers. Item loot, particularly if this server went FV ruleset on droppable loot, would allow alternate progression for people and perhaps discourage others from just joining the guild on top as the only way to get pixels.

[nilbog]

This is what I am concerned about. 70-80 people peak times does not satisfy my notion of "existing," but everyone has their own definition

Ultimately, I decide if the content is classic and that it exists.

Content existing...not a community ambassador's approval of what the highest % of people want. I think you're getting caught up in that I'm not here to be persuaded by what everyone thinks of server-specific rules. I'm just listening, giving opinions, and asking questions.

[Jenni D]

People just need to lighten up.
can think of a lot of players both nihi and rebels who just have no sense of fun in the game. ill admit i also was way too immersed at one point a while ago with the trolling.
Without my flower core pals id have quit by now.
I can understand the whole straight faced, slighlty angry eq playing most players here adopt but i pray you all lighten up soon.

[reddi lol]

The onus is on you to prove such. If there was RMT by the guild you would see again people you never heard of or who aren't in nihilum walking around in end game gear. But yet you don't. I do the dkp logs with thrilla. Every item is tracked. Stop making up bullshit. On the other hand there is an RMT market for accounts but that's not a guild sponsored phenomenon.

Every item is tracked? So you tellin me you have access to every bank alt and account and compare against the DKP logs and can account for everything?

[GrobbGangsta]

As a further response to nilbog, a guild here Force tried on multiple occasions to merge with nihilum but was rebutted as being bad for the server. There's plenty of people to contest they just are all choosing for a variety of reasons to sit on the sidelines.

The reason being that there are simply not enough people with the time, ability, resources, etc. to meaningfully contest you guys and there won't be in the future. Yellow text and resist changes are not enough to jumpstart the server into health.

You are operating under the incorrect assumption that Everquest can successfully perpetuate without any interference. Maybe on live with thousands of players, but not on an emu, especially with the time commitment required. It simply has to start over again.

Also, I am not suggesting that Nihilum is/is the only group participating in RMT, I am just saying that to deny it is going on at all is laughable.

[heartbrand]

The RMT thing is dumb not going to address any further. When you see random people with Selos drums COF's dragon hero bracers trak bps etc that they couldn't have earned on their own then I'll be interested in your story. Until then its just all baseless hyperbole with some shady shit from 2011 mixed in that I personally don't give two fucks about.

[Malevz]

Azrael/Force had 50 people a few weeks ago, which is more than we ever have on. Here's your solution if you want to compete:

-Don't shit on your members who don't pvp, they won't help you with pve then
-Help other people in your guild. I've never had more than 20k in bank cause I give items to guildies and newbies
-Don't spam ooc and boards with negative shit and RL attacks, it doesn't make your guild look more appealing

[GrobbGangsta]

So, what this boils down to is:



Cleared that up.


Arent you the guy that doesnt play and tried to kill himself?

[heartbrand]

The reason there is no competition will ultimately always be the competition themselves. Holocaust was too elitist and failed to recruit a great many people who were considered "bad" or that they had prior grudges with from old boxes. Yes the holo ban blah blah hurt but they came back and won pvp the day after suspension lifted. They lost all of uprising because of the members they had like that dominos necro who would train specters on people 24/7 or slathar who trained non stop etc etc. founding fathers failed because they didn't want to merge with holocaust because of prior box grievances. So they couldn't win anything and lost the members who wanted pve progression to nihilum. Other guilds like brotherhood etc never wanted to merge trying to do it all on their own and of course they failed as well as members got sick of waiting. Red dawn same shit everyone hating each other too many chiefs etc etc. just face it dudes the opposition here is awful and nothing is going to change that. You need new players and fixes with transfers will make that happen.

[heartbrand]

Having said all that it does piss me off that were raiding shit like faydedar with 43 people but I don't have any power to change that and again I'm not about to jump ship over it.

[SamwiseRed]

server wipe is dum, noone wants another boring ass ffa server. im for a new hard coded teams server tho. all trolling aside id donate for that shit.

[evilldacbane]

I'd rather farm shit on a dead box

[Jenni D]

I want velious to come out so i can maybe get my epic done lalallalalallaaa

[Malevz]

Hard coded teams is a great idea. If you have a toxic guild environment and cliques, and people with grudges, they have the choice between stick with that guild, or re-roll entirely. That way people wouldn't be attracted to other better guilds, and you could keep shitting on your members without fear of them jumping ship. I approve.

[nilbog]

Having said all that it does piss me off that were raiding shit like faydedar with 43 people but I don't have any power to change that and again I'm not about to jump ship over it.

Yes, you do. You and everyone else. I'm not anti-Nihilum or anti any guild, but this is the truth. When someone chooses to join a certain guild or follow particular direction, it is ultimately up to them. If enough people feel that way, then they should do something about it. Has nothing to do with devs, staff, or server rules.

[NotKringe]

Have you considered forming up under Brobb/Kilkur. I remember Brobb from VZ, wasn't a bad guy, and seems to be a better leader than Azrael's. I mean I can see the scrambling for a server wipe cause you've lost again, and you're running out of guild names... but you should consider you have the same leadership, plus you put your faith in Kringe, so the problem is clear.

Instead of merging Force into Azrael, Azrael could app to force and have better leadership.


My Leadership is what helped us Contend and take the few dragons we did, so the problem clearly wasn't me. Me and Lite having issues about whom should be guilded, and whom doesn't have the best interest in the guild (farming seb all day etc not helping for their 100Fungi tunics *HB is correct on this*) is where we didn't see eye to eye, and I simply don't enjoy playing with people who are that selfish, is what has drawn me to not want to login and or lead anymore. I don't exactly have a plethora of people to choose and recruit from, so you either endure with what you have or you take a break, I chose the latter. What Azrael/Force has been doing these past few weeks I couldn't tell you, I just don't have the desire to lead again given the players I have to work with. Some didn't like my hard core straight up tell you what we did wrong, (Reviewing logs and see who doesn't assist who runs around like a go cart per se) and constructively try and help you work things out, so they complain and boycotted pvp. That's not something I particularly want to be apart of. Despite of what you hear, I am a huge proponent of team work and or gearing people out etc... I completed 7 Rogue epics just to gear people out to have them jump ship 4-5 days when the core people were unable login, Hence "HPT". I think good old chuck even bard kited HPT for like 5 hours to PL him to have him switch forces the next day to the "easier" route.. This isn't something anyone wants to invest in, because we all know as soon as the competition starts to arise, what exactly happened will happen again... Nizzar and crew will fear loss of pixel lust and start emptying out the bank and persuasive offers to lure them to the "other side" at all costs.... Instead of making the server competitive and keeping the sides balanced, "yes balanced" (I know we had 50 you have 27, but those 50 were ungeared and mad under leveled) you opt for the latter..... Invite, Invite, Invite at all costs... Give gear, waive DKP rule whatever it takes to remove ALL competition from the server... That MaelVZ is what kills any server from a solid competitive scene.

[GrobbGangsta]

Hard coded teams is a great idea. If you have a toxic guild environment and cliques, and people with grudges, they have the choice between stick with that guild, or re-roll entirely. That way people wouldn't be attracted to other better guilds, and you could keep shitting on your members without fear of them jumping ship. I approve.

We get it bro, anything that results in you losing pixels is a bad idea. Move along.

[heartbrand]

Than play with someone who renounces friendships with people over what their guild tag is and spew garbage in ooc yes. Where were you dacbane when we were trying to keep holo going and compete? Where were you when we merged with FF and started getting some wins? Where were you when red dawn was made? I actually was trying to compete pal while you were MIA after getting banned over the dumbest shit ever. You couldn't just suck it up for the sake of the guild and just apologize you had to make it into a whole scene with a gm. That was the story of holocaust people who'd rather get banned over the dumbest nonsensical power struggles than actually playing the game of Everquest.

[NotKringe]

Yes, you do. You and everyone else. I'm not anti-Nihilum or anti any guild, but this is the truth. When someone chooses to join a certain guild or follow particular direction, it is ultimately up to them. If enough people feel that way, then they should do something about it. Has nothing to do with devs, staff, or server rules.

Nilbogs right, the best possible thing for this server would be to split up Nihilum and have 3-4 guilds fighting for whatever... Will this happen? Doubtfully, we did it on VZ/TZ for the population several times. IT just makes for a shit ton of better fun... We all still remained friends but shit talked just the same, however the powers were divided and the pvp was intense... That is what Red99 should be about...

[Vile]

ITT HB explains why he can't give up pixel lust to try to grab some core members of Nihilum and start a new force to make the server fun. That's all I am seeing here... I really dont understand how this hasn't happened yet, how many more alts needs to be geared? Suck it up, make a new guild... invite and PL me, thanks bye.

[heartbrand]

I shouldn't be forced to leave a guild of people I like because the other side is retarded. All a split would do is create two unviable guilds of people who don't like each other. Need fresh blood bros (even trimming the fat of nihilum won't help because the people removed will likely just quit the server resulting in net pop decrease)

[SamwiseRed]

remember back in dec 11 when there were dozens of guilds and rivalries? i remember fighting B$, uprising, holo, banditos (ff), duh winning, Scary Bad Guys, OOT, flowers ect ect. (I was in IF) there were so many factions and each tried to hold down their own little territory. uprising started getting big as fuck. they were literally messaging anyone above 30 to join. i remember getting spammed by lamort DAILY til i told him i was a homosexual and I loved men (i have SS.) now its always two factions. nilly vs everyone else. borrrrrriiiinnnngggg

[Jenni D]

Would have been great for server had nihi stopped recruiting for a few months

[Malevz]

We get it bro, anything that results in you losing pixels is a bad idea. Move along.

I already have everything I need, a number of nihilums core members do and yet continue to play, but A+ for effort. Some of us play just for the witty conversation on boards with anonymous people who complain about losing and cry for GM's to fix it, rather than put the work in themselves.

Or to put it in a way you'd understand: "jimmies rustled, shits classic".

[heartbrand]

Having said all that it does piss me off that were raiding shit like faydedar with 43 people but I don't have any power to change that and again I'm not about to jump ship over it.

Nilbogs right, the best possible thing for this server would be to split up Nihilum and have 3-4 guilds fighting for whatever... Will this happen? Doubtfully, we did it on VZ/TZ for the population several times. IT just makes for a shit ton of better fun... We all still remained friends but shit talked just the same, however the powers were divided and the pvp was intense... That is what Red99 should be about...

Lol have you seem ooc? Have you seen the shit dacbane spews? There's legit hatred over this game from some of those people bro.

[Vile]

Kringe brew, you don't log on AIM anymore?

[SamwiseRed]

the biggest problem is the playerbase. people blame lite/kringe for the reason they join nilly but thats bullshit. its hilarious how much people dog on those two but they themselves have done nothing but join the zerg. id like to see some of you try to build a guild from the ground up and see how far you get. kringe/lite/whoever else in azrael the only reason the server isnt dead yet.

[heartbrand]

And there you have it, can't wait to shake things up to play with people who think anti Semitic gifs are funny.

[SamwiseRed]

damn i sound like a retard. i hate rnf no edit ;(

[heartbrand]

Only reason server isn't dead is because of nizzar because if there was no nihilum there would be literally single digit pop. Azrael vent is unbearable. It's ***** this ***** that fighting over the dumbest shot, everyone shouting over one another during pvp. You can't force people to guild with people they don't like dude.

[SamwiseRed]

if there was no nilly, server would be thriving what are you talking about lol

[Malevz]

Can't you just rename the guild and blame the last incarnation like usual?

[Vile]

I shouldn't be forced to leave a guild of people I like because the other side is retarded. All a split would do is create two unviable guilds of people who don't like each other. Need fresh blood bros (even trimming the fat of nihilum won't help because the people removed will likely just quit the server resulting in net pop decrease)

no one is forcing you. just telling you the best solution to the problem.

[SamwiseRed]

wrong thread?

[NotKringe]

Lol have you seem ooc? Have you seen the shit dacbane spews? There's legit hatred over this game from some of those people bro.

Slathar did the same thing, some people just do that... I ignore it and move on to what I enjoy most.. Competitive PVP.... Vile said it best, WE have done this a 100times now, we split several times up with friends we hung with daily, etc... I DID this on LIVE to Chuck etc... I opt'd to go to the other side... To much power in one Guild just kills any fun server... Does anyone want to fight the pals they been chillin with for over a year? No, no one ever does... But just as Nilbog stated, sheep are sheep, no one wants to lead no one wants do shit but take the easy road, and sit back and relax and collect pixels for their what 4-5th ALT now HB?? You tell us.... Trak/VP after 40-50 times cannot be fun anymore.... Who cares if you split and didn't get a Trak/VP for a few weeks... People would then have a side to chose from that wasn't persuaded by lust, and Nihilum would have to fight for things again OMG.....But we all know this road don't we HB?? Nizzar would start dumping the bank again, waiving DKP entry rules, posting on Facebook/Myspace/Twitter to get the numbers back up again.... Its never a route anyone wants to take at first, but in the long run.. Your friends will be your friends on the "other side" and respect that you bring competition to the server, instead of always just being the "sheep" @Nilbog 2013!

[SamwiseRed]

only one man can save the server,

through the power of smedy christ I summon Tombom

[Malevz]

So... would Azrael be crying for a wipe if the rolls were reversed?
No.

[SamwiseRed]

*roles :) and it wouldnt happen. they would split before being the only guild on server.

[SamwiseRed]

maybe thats how you vzers roll but there were plenty of guilds on rz/sz. your zerg-like tactics and xteaming disgust me.

[heartbrand]

I tried leading an opposition force here and got shit on, ain't doing it again.

[NotKringe]

Only reason server isn't dead is because of nizzar because if there was no nihilum there would be literally single digit pop. Azrael vent is unbearable. It's ***** this ***** that fighting over the dumbest shot, everyone shouting over one another during pvp. You can't force people to guild with people they don't like dude.

I dunno what vent your talking about, but MY TS we use that didn't go down.. I would be the first to tell you to stfu and quit spamming TS with non-sense, while we are assisting pvping..

The server wasn't dead cause Nizzar/Tune were the only ones here still wanting to farm pixels on a 40pop server... That's just something they enjoy I suppose, the rest of us don't. Like Vile stated, no ones asking anyone to jump ship, we just simply stated it would be the best thing for Red99, is to split up some of the power.. You don't have to be guilded with people you don't like... Even taking 8-10 solid core members of the right class from Nihilum would change things dramatically. Would you be able to do VP? Probably not... Would be have much more enjoyable PVP... Most definitely.

[evilldacbane]

So... would Azrael be crying for a wipe if the rolls were reversed?
No.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/gmi-digital-library/5c67aa31-784a-46c7-8faf-76dc54541353.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

but seriously quit asking for a wipe. fuck ffa, let this server rott in hell. we need a NEW hard coded teams server. this will lets ffa fags have their server, and team fags have theirs. ya dig?

[Malevz]

maybe thats how you vzers roll but there were plenty of guilds on rz/sz. your zerg-like tactics and xteaming disgust me.

You can keep pushing the zerg thing, but Azrael/Force has outnumbered Nihilum in a lot of cases. Granted it's usually only one or two extra groups. The problem is you won't engage without 2 of you for every 1 of us. The reason it's an issue now is because Azrael's 'reforming' isn't a reforming so much an an exodus.

[GrobbGangsta]

I play, and I've never attempted suicide.



loled

[SamwiseRed]

they outnumbered you with they put 3 guilds together. funny how they dont merge, oh thats right because they dont want to form a super zerg guild. variety makes the server fun. temporary alliances just to compete with the numbers of one guild, sad this even has to happen.

[Malevz]

funny how they dont merge

You can make shit up, but it doesn't make your position better. Force rejected the idea of merging with Azrael, but don't say it wasn't put on the table. You tried to absorb force and you failed, there's hope for them still.

[Vile]

HB try this for a month... get all of Nilly at your next 40+ pop raid...

Pick captains, and form Nilly A and Nilly B.

Go against each other, fight over mobs, pixels, all that fun shit.. and see whats good after 30 days. In the end if you guys don't have any fun.. go back to 1 guild tag.

[Jenni D]

Let me hit you with some knowledge, gangsters.

When I first rolled a character on red, my warrior, the population during my then timezone, U.K, was under 15 people. I had read the forums and had my mind set on joining Nihilum as they were essentially the only guild. However, within seconds of entering Gfay a hobbit druid called Samwise flew into my vision and tagged me Vae Victus.
By the day this noble hobbit added more people to his family. VV grew and there was a somewhat friendly rivalry with nihi even though nothing was contested. many nihi actually would send tells encouraging us to keep levelling and stick it out.
Then what occurred is uncalled for griefing by who i refer to as the nihi shit squad. members like Northwest would spend hours training a low 40's xp group in Sol B. as we approached the 50 lvl cap suddenly it became a server of 6v1 ganks and trains. the kunark launch day is a great example of this (i think even zereh pvp'd on this day heehuhehe) Bear in mind that this was ganks vs mostly new players with no prior negative history with nihi members
i rerolled a cleric and nizzar asked me to join nihi twice. why? red dawn were no competition. why try steal one of the opposite guilds only clerics? i politely refused.

nihi want no competition unless its competition they feel very safe against.

Server is what it is and the community as a whole has a very negative aggressive mindset.
I just thank the lord Jesus Christ our savior that i found true happiness with my great pals chewie etc

props out to my flowers pals

hi mom

flowers represent, what!

#1 Christian straight edge guild

[NotKringe]

You can keep pushing the zerg thing, but Azrael/Force has outnumbered Nihilum in a lot of cases. Granted it's usually only one or two extra groups. The problem is you won't engage without 2 of you for every 1 of us. The reason it's an issue now is because Azrael's 'reforming' isn't a reforming so much an an exodus.

Who would do that?? Your guild consists of 90% max leveled max geared toons, where as your opposition has underleveled (biggest factor) and undergeared (small factor with resists). Only a foolish leader would lead his guys into something without either A) a tactical advantage
B) slightly more numbers to make up for the class make up/level difference you already have.

It would be suicide otherwise. Try taking your own advice for once, and stop spam recruiting everyone and their mother when any opposing force contends.. Or heres a neat concept.. When batphoned, just don't login 24/7 7-days a week at a moments notice, and let your guild fight off new and upcoming players overwhelmed... If you don't wanna split then that's fine... Don't split... Let the new players have raid mobs and spam the 10000 threads OMG we took this took that from Nihilum, so what... You've done it 1000times and don't need anything, atleast it would bring in more players instead of this shitstorm you all have created now controlling 70% of the current population...

Think about that.

[SamwiseRed]

i dont want to troll you honestly. you seem like a level headed person. i blame the player base as much as i do nilly. new players are too weak and impatient to build something new so they flock to nilly where they dont have to work for shit. its the WoW generation of gamers man. pathetic.

[SamwiseRed]

You can make shit up, but it doesn't make your position better. Force rejected the idea of merging with Azrael, but don't say it wasn't put on the table. You tried to absorb force and you failed, there's hope for them still.

i havent played here since kunark launch, maybe a week here and there. not sure what you mean by i failed. i was tagged azrael for only a few days until i was booted along with basiah. so ya not sure if that was directed at me but if it was i think you talkin to the wrong guy.

[NotKringe]

i dont want to troll you honestly. you seem like a level headed person. i blame the player base as much as i do nilly. new players are too weak and impatient to build something new so they flock to nilly where they dont have to work for shit. its the WoW generation of gamers man. pathetic.

Has nothing to do with that Sam as much as soon as Nihilly see's anything on the uprise, its Recruit Recruit recruit, shit we just lost a few dragons, Dump the Bank Dump the Bank Dump the Bank.. Get moar Overlords.... Fuck we are back to 80 pop server with 60 of us playing... What to do now? Wait, I know... Farm more VP and Trak..

[SamwiseRed]

ah last time i played i got my bard to 52, i was in flowers and everytime i LFG in ooc i was told to go kite. i even tried to join nilly KC groups but they wouldnt have me. basically just quit playing cuz soloquest is not for me.

[Colgate]

tbh i just want holocaust again

free illi, let's do this

[SamwiseRed]

Has nothing to do with that Sam as much as soon as Nihilly see's anything on the uprise, its Recruit Recruit recruit, shit we just lost a few dragons, Dump the Bank Dump the Bank Dump the Bank.. Get moar Overlords.... Fuck we are back to 80 pop server with 60 of us playing... What to do now? Wait, I know... Farm more VP and Trak..

ya i blame both. nilly enabled the new maggots to join. damn enablers!

[Malevz]

i havent played here since kunark launch, maybe a week here and there. not sure what you mean by i failed. i was tagged azrael for only a few days until i was booted along with basiah. so ya not sure if that was directed at me but if it was i think you talkin to the wrong guy.

My bad, I always confuse you and Andis. All halflings look alike to me.

[SamwiseRed]

another problem is alot of failed bluebies who have been shit on by tmo for over a year come to red with the intention to join nilly. the idea of a non contested raid scene attracts all kinds of failures like elderan. so i blame blue too.

[Colgate]

most blue players absolutely despise nizzar from what i've gathered

[BrobbVZ]

This is my first post on these forums so take it as you will (and probably last because I really do not like to get involved in these kinds of things, makes the game less enjoyable).

Let me start off with a little story from a game called Meridian59. There were two big sides on that game with a base of about 100 players on the server between the neutrals,and pvpers. The game got so lop sided that no one was logging on, and everyone began to quit the game. So I decided, being one of the leaders, to start a friendly war that involved EVERYONE. We rolled up two team captians and had a list of everyone that wanted to be involved in it. Based on how good you were at pvp we made the teams EVEN as possible. Take in note that I was enemies with about 70% of the server for 8+ years. Hatred between us was huge and that is what fueled so many of us playing for so long on this old shitty game but the was pvp was so enjoyable. When you got a kill you felt good.

So here we are all talking in ventrillo. I am talking about people that hate each other for 8+ years ACTUALLY being civil to each other. Talking to each other as normal adults and we made a list. It took me and 5 other players to get together for 5nights in a row to make the teams. This was no easy task BUT everyone put their differences aside to get the best maximum enjoyment out of the game for pvp, because that was why we were there.

I was guilded with enemies, friends and new players that I've never met before and leading them into battle to do the best we can AGAINST my friends of 10+years and also enemies and neutrals. It was by far the most fun I've ever had playing Meridian59. The Teams were even, the fights were long and holy hell the talk after the fights were even more enoyable. We'd get together and talk to each other in vent saying what we did (like a bunch of nerds) and who did this to me, who blinded who, who debuffed who and was fun. It lasted for quite sometime until more jobs kicked in for people, and others went off to the Military etc etc.

The point of my story was to explain that the TEAMS need to be fair and even for everyone to get the best out of the game. My side came to this server 3-4months ago and we are doing our best to even the playing fields but Everquest is a different game than Meridian.. In meridian59 gear doesnt matter that much while in EQ it does.

I suggest we do the same thing here... Get two team captians from both sides and see how it goes. Everyone that wants to be involved in better sportsmanship, better pvp and better pve would sign up and draft teams from this. If you side with the people you hate the most, who knows maybe you will become friends because after all this is JUST a game.

I know this is probably far fetched because people don't want to lose what they had before, but this might be one step towards the right direction in making this game more enjoyable for not only Azrael, but Nihilum members that crave more than just PvE out of this game.

[SamwiseRed]

My bad, I always confuse you and Andis. All halflings look alike to me.

all good, outside VV and the beginning of the server, red has always been boring for me. i hate to sound like a broken record but ffa pvp is the most bland thing there is. its like half life/quake ffa deathmatches. boring as fuck. throw some teams in there and things get interesting.

[SamwiseRed]

most blue players absolutely despise nizzar from what i've gathered

yet they come here and join them. pixels more important than principle.

[Kraftwerk]

they outnumbered you with they put 3 guilds together. funny how they dont merge, oh thats right because they dont want to form a super zerg guild. variety makes the server fun. temporary alliances just to compete with the numbers of one guild, sad this even has to happen.

Its pointless even replying Sam. Elderan has beaten the whole Azrael had 50 members things into the ground even though like you say it was three-four guilds under three seperate tags just trying to fight the 30-35 (or as Elderan puts it 18) Nilly for a first time raid mob kill. Then Nizzarr signing bonuses, real life, warm weather, and suddenly it's back to 40+ man Nilly raids and random groups for opposition.

I like PvE, I like (and am not good at but enjoyed learning and getting better at) PvP. I like a lot of the Azrael people, including Lite, Andis, Kringe (I like his no nonsense attitude), Agatha and list goes on. I wish I had more playtime but I don't. I never wanted to join Nihilum, it's more fun being underdog and I'd rather quit than join Nilly(regardless of how many shenanigans go on between you all). Also not sure what TS you're talking about, I usually just talk with Boats about baseball or how bad he is at every class he plays.

[SamwiseRed]

also deity based teams actually makes sense lore wise. killing each other for a trak BP makes no god damn sense what soever in the world of norrath. however banding together to take down followers of bertox whos only purpose in the world is to spread disease does. i wasnt some immersive pvp over ideals not over a fungi tunic.

[Vile]

yet they come here and join them. pixels more important than principle.

pixel-lust™ is a disease my friend.. it can be cured!

[SamwiseRed]

it's more fun being underdog and I'd rather quit than join Nilly(regardless of how many shenanigans go on between you all). Also not sure what TS you're talking about, I usually just talk with Boats about baseball or how bad he is at every class he plays.

this is exactly how i feel bro. shits fun when you arent expected to win but to see new player after new players youve helped join nilly, its really gets discouraging.

[Jenni D]

Kraftwerk hits the nail on the head ya'll

[SamwiseRed]

my only wish is to see a hard coded teams server before eq next.

[Malevz]

Nihilum was called a zerg when we were barely recruiting, and running around with 20-25 people killing things, and were outnumbered. Add to that the numerous debates 'well x person doesn't want to join another guild' so the choices are to turn away people and have them quit, or give them a shot.

My opinion from what I've seen, and the people I know that have started the server, is that Azrael is less appealing because of all the trash they talk in ooc, on boards, and in at least a few cases Sickpuppy and whoever else's epic fungi rogues 'cleansing' unrest.

I play alts when I get bored, I never tell people who I am until I'm 50+ and the experience is always the same. Twinked Azrael alts attacking me, shit talking, Nihilum offering buffs and binds and being friendly.

Not trying to troll, but you need to consider the image your guild has. I had two friends start the server and see ooc and just quit saying it brought back memories of all the worst shit in everquest. Personally I keep it off 95% of the time, but new people coming to the server that last aren't going to be attracted to a guild shitting on them with endgame twinks, and talking shit to everyone constantly.

I realize the futility of trying to explain this on a message board, but you may want to consider it, even just for a few seconds.

[Colgate]

hey will you remove my IP ban on the nihilum website so i don't have to go to the trouble of resetting my router

[SamwiseRed]

azrael is less appealing because they arent already in vp farming shit. surely you cant be dumb enough to think people are joining nilly because they are the only decent people on the server. northwest spamming shit about a child giving him a blowjob sounds like a swell guild to join.

[SamwiseRed]

nb4 oh northwest is just being northwest

[SamwiseRed]

also ive been attacked by nilly numerous times while pling new players in unrest. ive also had to deal with fungi nilly alts in unrest tearing newbs a new asshole. both guilds are known to harbor low level terrorists so not sure where you are going with that bullet.

[SamwiseRed]

*been attacked by azrael and nilly i should say to be fair.

quadruple post rage, shotgun to my face

[Malevz]

azrael is less appealing because they arent already in vp farming shit. surely you cant be dumb enough to think people are joining nilly because they are the only decent people on the server. northwest spamming shit about a child giving him a blowjob sounds like a swell guild to join.

I'm not saying that some people don't join for loots, and like I said I don't read ooc, but you come onto the server for the first time and tell me Azrael appeals to anyone. I had an RL friend start, and after a few days watching ooc he decided he'd rather be in Force than Azrael or Nihilum.

[SamwiseRed]

so both guilds guilty of ooc spam/nsfw

both guilds guilty of griefing new players

but one has shit on farm status.

think about it mang.

[SamwiseRed]

I'm not saying that some people don't join for loots, and like I said I don't read ooc, but you come onto the server for the first time and tell me Azrael appeals to anyone. I had an RL friend start, and after a few days watching ooc he decided he'd rather be in Force than Azrael or Nihilum.

i ended up joining flowers last time i played because azrael/forced/nilly were all being dickwads. you know shit is bad when flowers is the best option available ( no offense to my flowers pals)

[Kraftwerk]

also ive been attacked by nilly numerous times while pling new players in unrest. ive also had to deal with fungi nilly alts in unrest tearing newbs a new asshole. both guilds are known to harbor low level terrorists so not sure where you are going with that bullet.

At least with Puppy you only had to deal with his rogue who was an equal opportunist (he attacked my alt in Unrest while I was on TS with him and he made me plug). I've seen Nilly in Unrest with high 50's healers, what is a lowbie supposed to do against that? I'm sure I'm wrong though and you are all just a bunch of crazy fun loving guys who have wholesome fun on TS and guild chat.

[diplo]

put a total guild member cap at 30 people.

[Kraftwerk]

put a total guild member cap at 30 people.

Support.

[GrobbGangsta]

Shit devolving again.

This isnt an "I hate Nihilum" or "Azrael sucks" thread. The point is that the vast majority of players and the server itself would benefit from a wipe. Raze, I know you DON'T WANT THAT because you like your epic and all your loots, but I don't give a shit about your minority viewpoint. I don't see why that is so difficult to understand.

This also is not a "hate Nihilum" thread. Though I think a lot of you are losers, Nizzar is extremely good at what he does, as are a lot of the rest of you. Stop trying to twist this into what you want it to be, which is hating on Nihilum, so you can spam "you mad" and retreat to the Ivory Loot Tower.

Wipe it clean, bring back in a bunch more pals, and restart the race to the top with a lot of fun and pvp in between.

[SamwiseRed]

wiping this server isnt an option nor is it an answer. i have no ties to this server or my toons but clearly wiping is just the ultimate grief for people who have spend 200+ days played gearing their chars.

wiping this server just to have another ffa server is dumb as hell and if you cant see that then you are a moran who needs to get his brian checked.

[GrobbGangsta]

wiping this server isnt an option nor is it an answer. i have no ties to this server or my toons but clearly wiping is just the ultimate grief for people who have spend 200+ days played gearing their chars.

wiping this server just to have another ffa server is dumb as hell and if you cant see that then you are a moran who needs to get his brian checked.

Retarded argument. Even though EQ is a "persistent" MMORPG, it can be won, and it HAS been won. When you have a guild that is sufficiently entrenched and concentrated to the point that it dissuades and/or handily beats all competition, the game is won.

Wiping is just playing the game again. Maybe you need to get your brain checked if you fail to understand that.

[Malevz]

The point is that the vast majority of players and the server itself would benefit from a wipe. Raze, I know you DON'T WANT THAT because you like your epic and all your loots, but I don't give a shit about your minority viewpoint.

The people crying wipe are the ones that lost, and know they can't win by pvp/competition.

If GM's decide to wipe so be it.

I don't care if they wipe or not, I just would find another game or server.

Minority viewpoint? So the majority of players, not just the loudmouth cryababies that spend their day on boards, but the majority of players want the server wiped? Who is your main by the way? Care to share that?

[Sickpuppy]

At least with Puppy you only had to deal with his rogue who was an equal opportunist (he attacked my alt in Unrest while I was on TS with him and he made me plug). I've seen Nilly in Unrest with high 50's healers, what is a lowbie supposed to do against that? I'm sure I'm wrong though and you are all just a bunch of crazy fun loving guys who have wholesome fun on TS and guild chat.

its all fun and games pal..pvp is pvp welcome to red .. newbie greifers = classic..anyway server is in a downward spiral .. will the devs take action ? we shall see

[GrobbGangsta]

My main is Peacock, I am in Force and not Azrael (btw), and I have not even remotely tried to keep that anonymous.

[Malevz]

My main is Peacock, I am in Force and not Azrael (btw), and I have not even remotely tried to keep that anonymous.

All right, answer me this. If Peacock was in the number #1 guild on the server, and you were winning and figured you were unstoppable, would you be on the boards begging for a server wipe?

[Sickpuppy]

All right, answer me this. If Peacock was in the number #1 guild on the server, and you were winning and figured you were unstoppable, would you be on the boards begging for a server wipe?

here is the truth .. if you don't want a server wipe lets try and figure this out like big kids and fix the population because right now .. something isn't working .

[GrobbGangsta]

All right, answer me this. If Peacock was in the number #1 guild on the server, and you were winning and figured you were unstoppable, would you be on the boards begging for a server wipe?

Absolutely, if there were no competition at all. Why would I want to be "number #1" on a ghost server? It just doesn't make any sense. You would have a point if the server/population were healthy and I was just bitching because I had lost out on some raid encounter, but that is not the case.

[SamwiseRed]

they havent won because they could still be defeated. i guess you could say they are currently winning if you consider raiding vp for hours uncontested winning (would rather kill myself) but that sounds more like a job than a game. you seem to think that pve end game is literally the end of the game but for alot of people that is not true. i could care less about vp or its loot. only thing that interested me in vp is the lulz of legally training dragons around but thats it. outside epics, i really had no goals of anything pve-wise. i think alot of casuals are in the same boat as me.

im kinda going off on a tangent so back to topic. why would i want to play the game again when i can still play it? reroll a toon if you want to play again. this ruleset has been played to DEATH by the emu community,lets do something different.

[Malevz]

here is the truth .. if you don't want a server wipe lets try and figure this out like big kids and fix the population because right now .. something isn't working .

That sounds like a great idea. It would involve people not being idiots on the boards for several consecutive minutes so it's difficult to imagine it would happen.

The other thing to consider is velious is coming up, and it's not ezmode raids like kunark. I think most Nihilum will want to stay in a guild that has a shot in velious.

[SamwiseRed]

so you are going to need more numbers in velious for raids? oh gawd lol

[GrobbGangsta]

That sounds like a great idea. It would involve people not being idiots on the boards for several consecutive minutes so it's difficult to imagine it would happen.

The other thing to consider is velious is coming up, and it's not ezmode raids like kunark. I think most Nihilum will want to stay in a guild that has a shot in velious.

Ok bro, you get in your car, ill get on my bike, LETS RACE

[SamwiseRed]

lets be real about this. people want a wipe because it would grief the hell out of people like heartbrand who invest their entire lives into this game. HB has been a real dick lately but i dont wish 200 days /played erased in a flash on anyone. if you think a new server will solve the problem of people running to the winning side you are delusional. gamers are weak and impatient now adays. they cannot be reasoned with.

[SamwiseRed]

The Sullon Zek Server (Deity based team PvP)

The Sullon Zek server is a new server with a new rule set. The rules for this server are very different than those on any other EverQuest server. In general the server is based on the concept of a PvP teams server, like Tallon and Vallon Zek, but with the teams chosen based on which god the character worships rather than the race of the character.

Sullon Zek rules:

1. Player v. Player (PvP) combat can occur between any characters that are not on the same team, regardless of level. A level 50 character can attack and kill a level 6 character if that character is not a member of his alliance. But rules 2 and 3 apply.

2. Characters will be immune to PvP combat until they have gained enough strength to survive the struggle. Characters below 6th level are not able to participate in PvP combat, unless they stray from city and newbie zones. As soon as a character 'dings' into 6th level he or she will become PvP enabled.

3. Characters will lose experience when killed in PvP combat if the character that killed them is within 5 levels. The amount of experience lost will be the same amount that is lost if that character is killed by an NPC. Your corpse can be resurrected by a cleric to partially restore lost experience.

4. Characters will only be able to loot coins from other characters, and then only if the victim was within 5 levels of the killer. Only the character getting the killing blow will be able to loot the corpse.

5. Players may only have one character at a time on this server. This means that you will have to delete the existing character in order to create a new one. Because we are introducing a new class and a new race with the release of Shadows of Luclin we plan to make allowances at that time for those that wish to explore these new characters.

6. Characters will not be able to group with anyone that is not on their Deity Team.

7. Characters will not be able to invite someone to join their guild that is not on their Deity Team.

8. Combat skills' effective value is capped at 2 levels above a players current level.

9. Resistance debuff spells have a 50% increased effectiveness against player characters.

10. /consider returns only three kinds of results when used against player characters. 'Green' means that the character is below your range. 'White' or 'black' means that the character is within your range. 'Red' means that they are above your range. 'In range' means +/- 5 levels.

11. /consider will also display a message indicating what team the target is on. Members of your own team will be displayed as an 'ally'.

12. Faction hits for PvP will be taken for killing characters within their racial home towns. Killing a human in any human starting city will cause a faction loss with the locals. Freeport, Qeynos and Surefall Glade are considered starting cities for humans. All of Greater Faydark and Felwithe are considered the starting city for all elves (high elves and wood elves), except dark elves. Paineel and Erudin are both starting cities for erudites, and killing one in either city (regardless of their place of origin) will result in a faction loss with that city. Other cities are not considered home towns, despite being run and controlled by a certain race. For example, HighHold is not a human home town. Thurgadin is not a dwarven home town.

13. Rules such as the Play Nice Policy do not apply to this server. Characters have the ability on this server to deal with their conflicts through combat. Causing experience loss by 'training' NPCs on other characters is not an offense that would warrant a warning this server. HOWEVER: All rules regarding general decency still apply. Cursing, threats and other such things will be dealt with sternly, and are still unacceptable behavior on any PvP server.

14. Beneficial effects can not be used on members of another team.

15. No character will be able to bind in dungeon zones.

16. 'Buff' spells will not affect characters more than 20 levels lower than the spell level. Existing spell restrictions on spells over 50th level will supercede this rule.

17. There will be 'insignia' dropped on the corpses of characters over 20th level that are killed by another character. We plan to allow those to be turned in for a reward of some sort. What that reward will be is undetermined at this time, but we are leaning towards a team reward rather than a personal reward.

18. Naked corpses will disappear when looted by a player character. If you are naked and killed by a player character, your corpse will disappear when it is looted.

The 'Teams':

The Good Alliance consists of: Erollisi Marr, Mithaniel Marr, Rodcet Nife, Quellious, Tunare
The Evil Alliance consists of: Bertoxxulous, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, Rallos Zek
The Neutral Alliance consists of: Brell Serilis, Bristlebane, Karana, Prexus, Solusek Ro, The Tribunal, Veeshan.

There are no Agnostics on Sullon Zek. With the new influence of the gods, those that had not declared for one deity or another have been killed. Everyone now worships a deity, if not out of respect, love or fear of the god, then out of fear for their lives at the hands of fanatics.
Barbarian Shaman and Warriors can choose to worship Mithaniel Marr. Mithaniel Marr was unwilling to abandon all of the noble barbarians that served the good, and many declared themselves in favor of an alliance with Good.
Monks will be able to worship Veeshan. The Temple in Qeynos has discovered some ancient writings that opened up new avenues.
We will be including a method for the Good and Neutral teams to use Summon Corpse or something similar.

never forget.

[SamwiseRed]

if they could enforce the one char per account (and one account per person) shit would be legit is as FUCK. one char per IP, oh damn that would be so sweet.

[ConQuistador]

has nothing to do with griefing players, couldnt be farther from the truth

[SamwiseRed]

so you want a wipe so u can level a char again with same ruleset? uhh ya that makes sense except im not bill murray and this isnt ground hog day.

[Malevz]

if they could enforce the one char per account (and one account per person) shit would be legit is as FUCK. one char per IP, oh damn that would be so sweet.

Problem is some people like to play alts. Once you get max level, and the gear you want, and get bored with running around for pvp constantly, you might want an alt. Would result in less people on the server rather than more I'd think.

[ConQuistador]

i have an epicd shaman and a bunch of twinks but i am not a pixel crazy loot whore, its fun, but I would rather have everyone start at square one now that there is an established group of players and guilds, Im not trying to disband anyones guilds or fuck anyone over that has put time into the game, but server pop has dropped significantly because the new players and people that are not on top dont feel that it is worth it to play anymore since the odds are stacked so high against them.

[SamwiseRed]

id only want that for the sz ruleset. unless they could code something that only allowed you to make an alt of your chosen team.

[SamwiseRed]

i have an epicd shaman and a bunch of twinks but i am not a pixel crazy loot whore, its fun, but I would rather have everyone start at square one now that there is an established group of players and guilds, Im not trying to disband anyones guilds or fuck anyone over that has put time into the game, but server pop has dropped significantly because the new players and people that are not on top dont feel that it is worth it to play anymore since the odds are stacked so high against them.

this server dropped down to single digits before and went back to 200. its all a cycle man. shits gonna die then be reborn.

[ConQuistador]

I mean most of nilly has fucking Soulfires for CH clicky, as a new player does it sound like fun to try and contest with that, when no other group of people has the numbers or gear to put up a fight? It is ridiculous

[SamwiseRed]

12. Faction hits for PvP will be taken for killing characters within their racial home towns. Killing a human in any human starting city will cause a faction loss with the locals. Freeport, Qeynos and Surefall Glade are considered starting cities for humans. All of Greater Faydark and Felwithe are considered the starting city for all elves (high elves and wood elves), except dark elves. Paineel and Erudin are both starting cities for erudites, and killing one in either city (regardless of their place of origin) will result in a faction loss with that city. Other cities are not considered home towns, despite being run and controlled by a certain race. For example, HighHold is not a human home town. Thurgadin is not a dwarven home town.

tite...

[SamwiseRed]

I mean most of nilly has fucking Soulfires for CH clicky, as a new player does it sound like fun to try and contest with that, when no other group of people has the numbers or gear to put up a fight? It is ridiculous

yup and these same "new players" then app to nilly and become a part of the problem. again the playerbase is at fault. damn weaklings.

[ConQuistador]

Its like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass, who do you think is gonna win that fight?

[SamwiseRed]

yet ants out number us, been around alot longer than us, will be around when we are gone (unless planet explodes) and probably make up more biomass than us. we may win a few battles but well never conquer them without destroying ourselves.

[ConQuistador]

wow you are a huge fag

[SamwiseRed]

im not the fag trying to wipe an emu so i can do it all again!

[ConQuistador]

Pixel-anxiety^^

[SamwiseRed]

u must truely have no life if you want to level and regear your char with this xp rate. someone find this guy a life and a job.

[SamwiseRed]

pixel anxiety? for all i know both my chars are deleted and remade into lvl 1 barbarians. i gave the accounts away a few months ago, havent cared to check on them.

[SamwiseRed]

didnt even trade for pizza, cuz im that legit.

[ConQuistador]

Haha I dont care about the gear or the leveling, i just want better pvp and server health, and I am willing to sacrifice the work i put in for that, server wipe would assume that Exp came back and I thought that it never should have gone away, its selfish opinions like yours that will kill this server

[GODPARTICLE]

pls relax, jesus

[SamwiseRed]

not sure if srs or dum but wiping the server wont solve anything. its a temporary fix to a bigger problem.

[SamwiseRed]

ffa is a terrible ruleset that will always end the same way. 14 years have passed and PDM is still the zerg guild on live. people are lazy and dont give a fuck as long as the pixel conveyor is working. hard coded teams or fail bro.

[Malevz]

Remove guilds altogether.

[Bazia]

Wipe will make server fun and populated for at least 6 months. More then can be said about last year on current server.

[Bazia]

this server dropped down to single digits before and went back to 200. its all a cycle man. shits gonna die then be reborn.

It was only reborn because of a MASSIVE experience increase which has since been removed. Gas nothing to do with cycles. Also no expansion coming out in a month or two to jumpstart, shits done I think.

[SamwiseRed]

new server with a new ruleset > wipe old server to make same ruleset

[SamwiseRed]

i feel bad for anyone who didnt experience the teams servers. ffa is truely shit.

[Malevz]

Maybe scheduled server wipes. Once every year or something, or everytime one guild gets too far ahead we could just wipe it. Could make a form on the website so when one guild starts to lose they can press the self destruct button and server is automatically wiped.

[SamwiseRed]

meh i dont even like nilly but a wipe is retarded if we are just gonna be given the same shitty ruleset with the same shitty resist code/issues.

[Malevz]

People need to start asking for their money back, that would wake up those GM's! What? It's a free server?

[heartbrand]

I would love and support a draft

[HeisChuck]

eq fantasy draft would be gr8 :):)

[heartbrand]

Yaw would be amazing. Lets get a penthouse in Vegas and do it live IMO? Or fuck it just do it ghetto at the borgata.

[heartbrand]

Also whoever is picked last has to delete their toon

[reddi lol]

Also whoever is picked last has to delete their toon

Lol

[Vile]

All right, answer me this. If Peacock was in the number #1 guild on the server, and you were winning and figured you were unstoppable, would you be on the boards begging for a server wipe?

I begged for a wipe in a similar situation on VZTZ... why wouldnt you want to start fresh?

[heartbrand]

Wipes ain't gonna fix shit because the resists will still suck, exp will still suck, etc etc. Plus by the time they fix that and wipe velious will be coming out and you won't get any fresh blood from blue cuz they will be in pixel frenzy mode (sorta like how red launched when epics on blue came out). They need to put fixes in to make server fun and then we need to have a draft bros.

[Vile]

I agree a wipe isn't the answer.

Fix resists, XP bonus for chars < lvl 45, let the top guild figure some shit out so we're not stuck in this shitty situation...

[heartbrand]

I said in other thread just allow two boxing until pop reaches a set number. Then people can roll here much easier, level easier, do raid shit easier etc etc.

[GrobbGangsta]

If an identical server were released and reset to classic on progression, alike in everything except exp bonus and resist changes, there would not be a single person left on red except for Nihilum.

[gloinz]

this guy rly wants to spend days of his life slaying level 5 large rats again

[heartbrand]

It's pretty lol worthy all the people who barely made it to 50 asking for a wipe. Fuck man half of azrael still can't even hit 60 on the current box where you can exp pretty much free of fear of pvp but you think they'll be able to do it all over again on a new box with pvp? Lol

[GODPARTICLE]

^lol'd

[Vile]

I said in other thread just allow two boxing until pop reaches a set number. Then people can roll here much easier, level easier, do raid shit easier etc etc.

XP still nasty bro...

[Malevz]

I've been authorized to offer you Gream and Elderan for a ranger alt to be named later

[Vile]

It's pretty lol worthy all the people who barely made it to 50 asking for a wipe. Fuck man half of azrael still can't even hit 60 on the current box where you can exp pretty much free of fear of pvp but you think they'll be able to do it all over again on a new box with pvp? Lol

I am against a wipe. I'd never play this sht if it wiped, unless new box had insane XP bonus. Otherwise, I'd probably ask Nilbog to forum ban me and I'd edit my hosts file so I can't see the forums ever again.

XP bonus needs to desperately be added for lower levels... only people I've seen leveling so far in my travels were in a bard kiting group... kiting all of OT.

Also the top guild needs to think about future server.. I am no sure if srs if they like to raid VP uncontested all the time... or bring 42+ to Faydedar on a week day... split up for a month and try it out.. you will have some fun PKing each other, trust me.

[Colgate]

people don't realize that nihilum is comprised mostly of loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server

it is their entire intention to do nothing other than kill dragons by themselves

[Vile]

people don't realize that nihilum is comprised mostly of loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server

it is their entire intention to do nothing other than kill dragons by themselves

That's fine... we can stop slamming them for that.. they beat the box, good for them hooray. Let's encourage them to split into 2 factions and try to better the server.

[Malevz]

people don't realize that nihilum is comprised mostly of loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server

it is their entire intention to do nothing other than kill dragons by themselves

Citation needed.

Based on 35 at faydedar proof would be needed to show at least 25 ("mostly") people are "loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server"

[Colgate]

95% of you don't log on unless there's a raid mob up or about to spawn

[GrobbGangsta]

this guy rly wants to spend days of his life slaying level 5 large rats again

Eminent author of "My Boosie Life: From Bowlcut to Fade and Back Again"

[HeisChuck]

Citation needed.

Based on 35 at faydedar proof would be needed to show at least 25 ("mostly") people are "loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server"

[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] ---------------------------
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Twainz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Xico <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rakshore <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Action <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hectorchrist <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Renian <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zarah <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dookie <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ordaga
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miidget <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chopper <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zibby <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Checkraise
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tune <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tyrionn <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gream <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Beatz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vaporize <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cooler <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Walk <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Samhain <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Treefitty
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gloinzz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nizzar <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Unlimited
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ravi <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roggeh <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Santor <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Willan <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dekadenz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mirkuls <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Whistler <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Toxicity
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nothxu <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Handpartytowel <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kordaal <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gongshow
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chooch <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Damageover <Serenity>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dink
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vile
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] There are 42 players in Timorous Deep.




Logs don't lie son, keep it real.

[Colgate]

yikes, elderan bout to get all up in this thread chuck

[Malevz]

Azrael you never see pvp unless there is a boss up: mesochrist, biglime, last, jessika, scumbag, cinda, guinder, grimtoadsz, xummer, pragma (retti's and banned for RMT?), fecal, bronkar, phaedra, cheeseycakes, robe, tomb, scotia, phantom, bangan, brennard, pooxi, snori, lokii, bamzal, lunchbox, powered, coshigga, toughguy, sealer, digital, qazzaz, wyclef, portahoe (lowbie alt, only used to spy and spam), freez, maximilien, hoike, brainz, chubs, tarran (mostly cries in ooc), dazed, jezibell, coat, swyft.

That's just off the top of my head. I wouldn't say Nihilum has a monopoly on people that don't pvp outside of raid times.

[Heywood]

I'm against a wipe as well. Been there done that.


It's not grinding exp because I'm afraid of pvp. Hell, I've given many punk ass nihilum bitches the boosie fade in perma these last few weeks. Who the hell wants to play on a 50 pop server?


Only nihilum. What non-nihilum need to understand is that nihi are blubies at heart. They'll DDoS, train, recruit opposing guild members, insta-plug, do things that cannot be mentioned on forums without being banned but troriste got banned for it (lol) to be the only guild on the server.

You've seen them do it before, and you know sure as hell they'll do it again. So trying to convince HB to man up is futile because, although you seem like an alright chap hb, you's blue as fuck.

[heartbrand]

can we all agree box sucks atm? :(

[Vile]

[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] ---------------------------
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Twainz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Xico <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Rakshore <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Action <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Hectorchrist <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Renian <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zarah <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dookie <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ordaga
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Miidget <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chopper <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Zibby <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Checkraise
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tune <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Tyrionn <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gream <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Beatz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vaporize <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Cooler <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Walk <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Samhain <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Treefitty
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gloinzz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nizzar <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Unlimited
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Ravi <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Roggeh <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Santor <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Willan <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dekadenz <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Mirkuls <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Whistler <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Toxicity
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Nothxu <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Handpartytowel <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Kordaal <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Gongshow
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Chooch <Nihilum>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Damageover <Serenity>
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Dink
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] [ANONYMOUS] Vile
[Tue May 14 18:36:28 2013] There are 42 players in Timorous Deep.




Logs don't lie son, keep it real.

Yup I witnessed that shit as per the log above... on the fucking boat to OT like a champ.

[reddi lol]

Malevz what's your obsession with me and pragma?

[Malevz]

Don't worry retti, I don't take you seriously, no one does

[heartbrand]

rettiwalk stole a fucking maid issis fang from me fuck that FAGGOT


























naw its cool dawg

[Colgate]

Azrael you never see pvp unless there is a boss up: mesochrist, biglime, last, jessika, scumbag, cinda, guinder, grimtoadsz, xummer, pragma (retti's and banned for RMT?), fecal, bronkar, phaedra, cheeseycakes, robe, tomb, scotia, phantom, bangan, brennard, pooxi, snori, lokii, bamzal, lunchbox, powered, coshigga, toughguy, sealer, digital, qazzaz, wyclef, portahoe (lowbie alt, only used to spy and spam), freez, maximilien, hoike, brainz, chubs, tarran (mostly cries in ooc), dazed, jezibell, coat, swyft.

That's just off the top of my head. I wouldn't say Nihilum has a monopoly on people that don't pvp outside of raid times.

can you come up with a list that isn't loaded with alts and people who quit the game a long time ago?

[reddi lol]

You must be on one of your binges

[Colgate]

can we all agree box sucks atm? :(

box has sucked 99% of the time it has been live

it was okay for like a week or two when raid mobs were actually being contested

[reddi lol]

rettiwalk stole a fucking maid issis fang from me

naw its cool dawg

still in bank

[Heywood]

can you come up with a list that isn't loaded with alts and people who quit the game a long time ago?

He cannot. For his argument is as weak as his pvp skills.

[Malevz]

can you come up with a list that isn't loaded with alts and people who quit the game a long time ago?

The list it was taken from was taken from online Azrael members within the last month, on the outside all those characters have been online within the 5 last weeks. As for alts, it's not my problem if your alts don't pvp either.

[evilldacbane]

Azrael you never see pvp unless there is a boss up: mesochrist, biglime, last, jessika, scumbag, cinda, guinder, grimtoadsz, xummer, pragma (retti's and banned for RMT?), fecal, bronkar, phaedra, cheeseycakes, robe, tomb, scotia, phantom, bangan, brennard, pooxi, snori, lokii, bamzal, lunchbox, powered, coshigga, toughguy, sealer, digital, qazzaz, wyclef, portahoe (lowbie alt, only used to spy and spam), freez, maximilien, hoike, brainz, chubs, tarran (mostly cries in ooc), dazed, jezibell, coat, swyft.

That's just off the top of my head. I wouldn't say Nihilum has a monopoly on people that don't pvp outside of raid times.

fecal? fecal??? FECAL???? u crazy dog

[Colgate]

funny enough i don't see a single name on that faydedar log that actively seeks out pvp

unless you count hectorchrist porting into CT, blowing an entire golem wand to dispel jboots, see invis, and lev, then gating and calling me a hacker in /ooc because i know how to strafe run and jump

[reddi lol]

funny enough i don't see a single name on that faydedar log that actively seeks out pvp

unless you count hectorchrist porting into CT, blowing an entire golem wand to dispel jboots, see invis, and lev, then gating and calling me a hacker in /ooc because i know how to strafe run and jump

Lol

[Malevz]

funny enough i don't see a single name on that faydedar log that actively seeks out pvp

unless you count hectorchrist porting into CT, blowing an entire golem wand to dispel jboots, see invis, and lev, then gating and calling me a hacker in /ooc because i know how to strafe run and jump

Insulting our members isn't the proper way to beg for mercy sir. If you really want pity, and nihilum to take it easier on you, what you should be showing is contrition.

[big league chew]

Citation needed.

Based on 35 at faydedar proof would be needed to show at least 25 ("mostly") people are "loot whores and people that couldn't hang or got banned on the blue server"

i dont raid shit and even i know most of those people are Bigtime loot whores. (just loot whores, ill leave the hackusations to the pros)

not sure who you're trying to kid, the potential future loot whore recruits who may be reading ur post? http://www.project1999.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://www.project1999.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Malevz]

i dont raid shit and even i know most of those people are Bigtime loot whores.

And the 35 Azrael/Force brought to trak at 3am? Those people were there for the pvp?

[Akim]

give the best of the best winners unique guises and titled ingame if they keep the same class/name combo and burn the rest to the ground

[Heywood]

You speaking of the night azrael slaughtered nihilum and nihilum decided to train? That night?

[Malevz]

You speaking of the night azrael slaughtered nihilum and nihilum decided to train? That night?

No I mean the night that Azrael sent pets against a rogue that was stealthed behind mobs, trained itself, then cried and cried. Nihilum fields 35 during the day, log in and attack them.

You field 35 on a weekday at 3am for trak (something I won't be a part of because I sleep) it's about pvp and not having no competition? Come on, lets be serious. Azraels excuse for sitting outside of the fear portal dying endlessly and training and setting off DT cycle was to push back CT. And they did, and managed to kill him while the Nihilum's were in bed.

Totally about pvp, not pixels.