Hardest Video Games

[Vaildez]

So I was browsing the Internet and saw a site talking about the hardest video games of all time. I started looking through other similar lists and no mention of EQ... I feel like original EQ got totally snubbed and is much more challenging than many games on these lists.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/videogame/top-10-hardest-video-games-of-all-time.html

[SamwiseRed]

eq isnt known for its skill cap, its known as a time sink. wasting time != hard.

[Lojik]

MMOs will never be included because these really "most difficult games to complete" which you obviously can't do with EQ.

[Lazortag]

I don't see how Lost Levels could possibly make that list. Also I think Bart's Nightmare belongs somewhere on a "hardest games" list. That game is insane.

[Masakizt]

Demon Souls / Dark Souls - great games, bloody hard games!

[MrSparkle001]

QWOP


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[SamwiseRed]

Demon Souls / Dark Souls - great games, bloody hard games!

ya good games. ive been playing dark souls again for weeks now. love the pvp

[Reiker000]

I don't see how Lost Levels could possibly make that list. Also I think Bart's Nightmare belongs somewhere on a "hardest games" list. That game is insane.

Yeah I didn't get Lost Levels, it's only like slightly harder than Mario 1. The article also says the poison mushrooms look exactly the same as good mushrooms, but I don't remember it being like that at all. Kaizo Mario makes Lost Levels look like a bitch.

[Vaildez]

Well as far as MMOs go EQ is way harder than any other I've played and it goes way beyond the time sink. Most other games you can just run around without needing to pay attention to your surroundings. Also the stiff death penalties and corpse retrieval make it a biatch.

[Kagatob]

So I was browsing the Internet and saw a site talking about the hardest video games of all time. I started looking through other similar lists and no mention of EQ... I feel like original EQ got totally snubbed and is much more challenging than many games on these lists.
There's nothing difficult about any MMO's, Like Samwise said they are timesinks, EQ may be the most skill intensive but you're comparing basic motor function (EQ) to a paraplegic (WoW).
I don't see how Lost Levels could possibly make that list. Also I think Bart's Nightmare belongs somewhere on a "hardest games" list. That game is insane.
Final stage of Lost Levels is a PITA, I can see it getting on the list for that alone, the rest was simply Megaman level annoyingly hard.

[Kagatob]

^
That was the most informative response ever.


Of all time.

[Nihilist_santa]

I dont agree with that list much. Shadow of the Beast for Genesis should be on the list and Silver Surfer for NES for sure. Even Zombies Ate my Neighbors for the fact there are so many damn levels.

[Reiker000]

Arguing about difficulty of a MMO is retarded because you can't win or lose.

The only MMO that I played in which players could be clearly separated by skill level was DAOC, since it was the only PvP game I played that a) was decently balanced, and b) had easily obtainable stat caps, so there wasn't much of a gear advantage.

I mean, obviously there's idiots in EQ and other MMOs who break mez and train groups and all kinds of other dumb stuff, but that's mainly because they're idiots.

[Nihilist_santa]

I would think UO to be harder than EQ in some ways back in the day.

[Funkutron5000]

Zelda 2 is not hard. It's about a 6 hour game. Easy Peasy.

[Faerie Blossom]

When I was a kid, I had this game called Space Ace, for SNES. Maybe it was just because I didn't know what to do, but it seemed really impossible.

[Kagatob]

Why isn't Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (the first one) on the NES listed? That's harder than 8/10 of the games listed here.

[Splorf22]

I mean, obviously there's idiots in EQ and other MMOs who break mez and train groups and all kinds of other dumb stuff, but that's mainly because they're idiots.

This is pretty much the way I feel, and yet I run into so many people who even after 15 years have no clue. I have argued with multiple monks on this server that the epic fist is better in the offhand than whitened treant fists, for example.

[Kagatob]

This is pretty much the way I feel, and yet I run into so many people who even after 15 years have no clue. I have argued with multiple monks on this server that the epic fist is better in the offhand than whitened treant fists, for example.

Celestial Fists? (http://wiki.project1999.org/Celestial_Fists)

[Reiker000]

I didn't realize that there were monks who thought Whitened Treant Fists were better than epic fists. Epic fist ratio is just straight up better. Only advantage Treant Fists would give is less ripostes if you're tanking / attacking from the front.

Wu's Fist of Mastery are straight up better than epic, though. By a lot.

[SamwiseRed]

Id say UO and definitely EVE take a hell of alot more skill than EQ.

[Kagatob]

Id say UO and definitely EVE take a hell of alot more skill than EQ.

PVP doesn't count, also in EVE everything is based upon how long you've had an account and how efficiently you can manage clicking to learn new skill sets as they complete. If that's what you skill then so be it I guess.

[SamwiseRed]

another misconception about eve is that skill points = level and that more skill points makes you stronger. there are counters to everything. a 2 week old character with better knowledge of game mechanics can absolutely wreck a 10 year vet. you wont find that in any other mmos. also pvp is what separates the good from the bad players. people eventually learn everything about AI and pve becomes a chore not an adventure. if you think killing NPCs takes more skill than killing players then I am not sure what else to tell ya.

[Kagatob]

PVP doesn't count

The rest of that post was off topic.

[SamwiseRed]

bottom line is pvp takes more skill than pve anyday broseph. not to mention eq has no penalty for death other than a corpse run. maybe if you lost all your gear or something id be impressed.

[Kagatob]

No, the bottom line is that you don't 'beat' PVP games like that, heck MMO's in general don't even fit the criteria of that list, as all of those games were platformers/racing/survival and had a definitive ending. Quake III, Unreal and CS or any of those types of games wouldn't of qualified for the list either, regardless of how 'skill intensive' they were. :)

[SamwiseRed]

well demon souls was on that list. i fucking love the souls series, I was just played dark souls a few min ago. its challenging but i still get killed by players more than I do by mobs. unless you play in offline mode like a fag, being able to defeat invading phantoms is where the real skill is at.

[Kagatob]

^
Still missing the point entirely.

[Smedy]

Rush N Attack wasn't mentioned? That shit was hard as fuck

Rygar was also one helluva hard game

[SamwiseRed]

Hardest Video Games, i was talking about video games that were hard. i dont really care about the criteria used in the article.

[Tecmos Deception]

Why is it that anytime someone tries to talk about being "good" or "skilled" at an MMO, 99% of people suddenly go full retard?

Just because an MMO doesn't have a set of victory conditions doesn't mean that everything you could possibly do in that MMO is simple. Just because grinding out levels 55-60 in LCY in a full group is mind-numbingly easy doesn't mean EQ is nothing but a timesink. Pick some things to do that aren't lowest common denominator and give them a whirl.

[Khaleesi]

Contra 3 in coop mode.

[Rhambuk]

Super ghouls n ghosts, think I only ever got past the 2nd level once

[SamwiseRed]

hard to judge how difficult some games are now adays because before people even see the start menu, they already have read the wiki, guide, forums, and whatever else can be found on the internet. i played dark souls forever without reading the guide i think up until the catacombs or 4 kings.

[Tecmos Deception]

hard to judge how difficult some games are now adays because before people even see the start menu, they already have read the wiki, guide, forums, and whatever else can be found on the internet.

This is a really good point.

[Taboo]

You guys evert play Descent 3 online ? Tell me thats not a skill based game.

Many a joystick got returned for being " shipped broken". Atleast thats what they believed! :)

[radditsu]

You guys really don't know anything do you.

http://www.adom.de/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike

Learn what is hard.

(besides nethack, nethack sucks and is gay)

[FoxxHound]

Robodemons and Solomons Key are among some of the hardest games I have ever played.

[EnnoiaII]

There's nothing difficult about any MMO's, Like Samwise said they are timesinks, EQ may be the most skill intensive but you're comparing basic motor function (EQ) to a paraplegic (WoW).

Final stage of Lost Levels is a PITA, I can see it getting on the list for that alone, the rest was simply Megaman level annoyingly hard.

If you think EQ takes more skill than WoW you're braindead. While EQ is a far superior game in terms of enjoyability, all you have to do is not be a fucking moron and you can win. I have no idea of the current state of WoW, but back in the day (pre-WotLK), you had to earn your shit through complex raid encounters.

[Kagatob]

If you think EQ takes more skill than WoW you're braindead. While EQ is a far superior game in terms of enjoyability, all you have to do is not be a fucking moron and you can win. I have no idea of the current state of WoW, but back in the day (pre-WotLK), you had to earn your shit through complex raid encounters.

Following the simplest instructions and learning basic patterns is considered 'complex' these days? :eek:

[EchoedTruth]

Demon / Dark Souls, the end of Half-Life 1, beating Emerald/Ruby weapon in FFVII, Max Payne 3 on New York Minute / Hardest settings

[EchoedTruth]

If you think EQ takes more skill than WoW you're braindead. While EQ is a far superior game in terms of enjoyability, all you have to do is not be a fucking moron and you can win. I have no idea of the current state of WoW, but back in the day (pre-WotLK), you had to earn your shit through complex raid encounters.

I think the diff with EQ is the vast impact of skill. When tanking on my SK I have people actively go "holy shit you can hold aggro" or "thank god you're here, the last warrior/paladin/sk/ranger (lol)" sucked, etc...

EQ is a very, very unforgiving game if you suck at it.

[NecroForSale]

Following the simplest instructions and learning basic patterns is considered 'complex' these days? :eek:

^Did not ever raid in WoW, clearly.

[Reiker000]

If you think EQ takes more skill than WoW you're braindead. While EQ is a far superior game in terms of enjoyability, all you have to do is not be a fucking moron and you can win. I have no idea of the current state of WoW, but back in the day (pre-WotLK), you had to earn your shit through complex raid encounters.

Lol @ complex raid encounters. WoW's idea of complex raid encounters were "don't stand in the giant glowing circle" or "run away from the badass murder mob." And if you're too fucking stupid to accomplish such complicated mechanics, you can download an add-on that holds your hand and tells you exactly where you need to be and what to do at all times.

WoW is complex is you're a fucking idiot. Or blind. I was deep into psychedelics back when I played WoW, I was tripping my face off 95% of the time I played and I was one of the top rogues in my raid guild.

[SamwiseRed]

eq was hard in 99, once castersrealm and allakhazam were up and running shit was ez.

[heartbrand]

If you think EQ is harder than wow you haven't played wow end game. There is literally zero skill to zerging down 32k dragons in VP who are invis pulled to entrance and die in twenty seconds.

[Kagatob]

If you think EQ is harder than wow you haven't played wow end game. There is literally zero skill to zerging down 32k dragons in VP who are invis pulled to entrance and die in twenty seconds.

P99 is not EQ :)

[heartbrand]

P99 pve is a joke. Puppet strings / donals bps / able to stack resists higher than 255 / invis pulling / no proxy aggro, yada yada yada.

[Highbrow]

There was never much skill involved in EQ, but it requires a lot of knowledge or you'll die constantly.

[EchoedTruth]

There was never much skill involved in EQ, but it requires a lot of knowledge or you'll die constantly.

That could be said for many games.

All things being equal - raiding in PoP required some semblance of gaming ability (Velious too).

[Kagatob]

Still wondering why TMNT wasn't on that list.

[quido]

Yeah original TMNT was hard as fuck.

[Kagatob]

Yeah original TMNT was hard as fuck.

Until emulators came out it was legit the only game I had never beaten. Though to be fair I still contribute half of my beating that last level in "The Lost Levels" to luck. Impossribu to beat final bowser without fire mario if you ask me.

[smokemon]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120905002835/nintendo/en/images/1/18/Super_Star_Wars_The_Empire_Strikes_Back_(NA).jpg

[Kagatob]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120905002835/nintendo/en/images/1/18/Super_Star_Wars_The_Empire_Strikes_Back_(NA).jpg

Home Alone 2 was harder and that wasn't even top 10 hardest quality. :p

[JonathanHancock]

If you think EQ is harder than wow you haven't played wow end game. There is literally zero skill to zerging down 32k dragons in VP who are invis pulled to entrance and die in twenty seconds.

Try zero skill in killing 32k dragons PERIOD lol

There's a reason they went from 32k to 320,000,000 in one expansion

[Kagatob]

Try zero skill in killing 32k dragons PERIOD lol

There's a reason they went from 32k to 320,000,000 in one expansion

Mudflation.

[quido]

Until emulators came out it was legit the only game I had never beaten. Though to be fair I still contribute half of my beating that last level in "The Lost Levels" to luck. Impossribu to beat final bowser without fire mario if you ask me.

Yeah I actually tried to beat it a long time ago using emulators, but I think the rom I got was corrupt. I just watched a full walkthrough of the game because I realized I'd never even seen the final two levels lol. I beat Mechaturtle a few times and proceeded to die in the next level every time, lol. How did people beat that shit before the internet? It's a damn maze.

[Kagatob]

Yeah I actually tried to beat it a long time ago using emulators, but I think the rom I got was corrupt. I just watched a full walkthrough of the game because I realized I'd never even seen the final two levels lol. I beat Mechaturtle a few times and proceeded to die in the next level every time, lol. How did people beat that shit before the internet? It's a damn maze.

Furthest I got was inside the Technodrome where I immediately died against the first normal enemy within. I found the trick was to find an area that would respawn triple throwing stars and just rack 'em all up on all 4 turtles and spam them on your shitty turtles (anyone not Don).

[smokemon]

Home Alone 2 was harder and that wasn't even top 10 hardest quality. :p

Lies, but home alone >.< of course i was like 5 at the time of playing both games hahah

[Reiker000]

its funny how reikers description more accurately represents dungeons than raiding

you know, the things designed just for leveling and getting starting gear at 90.

That's because the game has been the same fucking thing for years. Dungeons, high end raids, same "don't stand in the glowing circle of death" bullshit. They have to keep the game dumbed down with flashing arrows telling you where to run so they don't alienate their down syndrome playerbase.

Although I haven't played WoW in a long time so maybe it got better somehow. I just assumed not since everyone yells about how classic WoW was the best. Apparently classic WoW was the best period, yet current raids are the best. Which is completely nonsensical but it's not surprising considering the average IQ of WoW fanboys.

[Obwin]

Lol @ complex raid encounters. WoW's idea of complex raid encounters were "don't stand in the giant glowing circle" or "run away from the badass murder mob." And if you're too fucking stupid to accomplish such complicated mechanics, you can download an add-on that holds your hand and tells you exactly where you need to be and what to do at all times.

WoW is complex is you're a fucking idiot. Or blind. I was deep into psychedelics back when I played WoW, I was tripping my face off 95% of the time I played and I was one of the top rogues in my raid guild.

^ never raided black temple or sunwell. Played easiest dps class.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

^ never raided black temple or sunwell. Played easiest dps class.

BT wasn't so bad. Sunwell pre 3.0 was a fucking nightmare. M'uru / Felmyst were cut-your-dick-off territory. Could never seem to get them on farm status. Sometimes we'd get them in 1 attempt but usually it was closer to 4-5 attempts each goddamn week until 3.0. Still, fun ass encounters.

[Obwin]

Illidan was pretty tough for tanks to learn + resist gear requirements.

Sunwell was just OMG hard pre-nerf, max consumables all the time. Obvi had to have good tank / healer but one slack dps and you had no chance on most bossss. One tank mishap or healer missing was death. Honestly I give wow a lot of shit and can't stand it now but cutting edge bc raiding was a lot of fun / challenging.

Vanilla AQ and naxx pretty tough too but never did that when it mattered. Time investment in vanilla/bc wow was less but actual difficulty was harder IMO.

*edit: archimonde good for some good guild drama/luls when someone died and screwed raid with a crater. Haha

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Illidan was pretty tough for tanks to learn + resist gear requirements.

Sunwell was just OMG hard pre-nerf, max consumables all the time. Obvi had to have good tank / healer but one slack dps and you had no chance on most bossss. One tank mishap or healer missing was death. Honestly I give wow a lot of shit and can't stand it now but cutting edge bc raiding was a lot of fun / challenging.

Vanilla AQ and naxx pretty tough too but never did that when it mattered. Time investment in vanilla/bc wow was less but actual difficulty was harder IMO.

*edit: archimonde good for some good guild drama/luls when someone died and screwed raid with a crater. Haha

Our problem was DPS primarily. We weren't the kind of guild to rotate comp based on encounters and if you brought 2 mages to your 25 man during sunwell era you had a far lower chance of making the timers :(

[Reiker000]

sunwell was the place that they nerfed like a month after they added it cause everyone cried they couldn't kill stuff in it right

[Obwin]

sunwell was the place that they nerfed like a month after they added it cause everyone cried they couldn't kill stuff in it right


Yeah but I think it was more like 8-10 weeks before the nerf hit. Don't remember the exact timeline but it was nerfed right before wrath of the lazy whiners.

[Autotune]

BLANK was the place that they nerfed like a month after they added it cause everyone cried they couldn't kill stuff in it right

Just described nearly every hard WoW raid encounter in TBC and later.

[Brut]

Battletoads!

[Tecmos Deception]

Saying pvp games are hard is like saying checkers is hard.

[Hasbinbad]

Rush N Attack
5 years later, smedy makes his first useful post.

[Galanteer]

Hardest-core games in terms of difficulty of day-to-day experience:


EQ Sullon Zek

not if you were on team easy, err evil.

[moklianne]

Solomon's Key was pretty hard back in the day.

[eqravenprince]

All the hard games I can remember were on NES, and played without cheat codes. All these games had limited number of lives and no save points I believe.

TMNT
Ghosts and Goblins
Gauntlet
Bayou Billy
Ninja Gaiden
Double Dragon
Lifeforce
Gradius
Castlevania

[Zeelot]

Double Dragon 3 takes the cake for me for difficulty. Short game but hard as hell. The prequels were much better games though.

Original ninja turtles game for nes is no joke either!

[JonathanHancock]

Xcom: enemy unknown -- turn based strategy. sci fi. Has a great story and LOADS of cutscenes to push your gameplay along - for example every new tech you research you get a little scientist lab demonstration etc.

Awesome game -- VERY hard on "classic" difficulty (let alone classic ironman - only ONE SAVE SLOT allowed, and the game autosaves after every turn. You fuck up and get your best soldier killed, there's no reloading.

check it out - came out in 2012.

[JonathanHancock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VToAl5KuXlk

The early game can be brutal sometimes -- but always fun and EXTREMELY rewarding.
At the start you only have basic earth weapons, and of course the aliens already have their superheated plasma guns of all types.

Pretty much EVERYTHING YOU SEE during combat is destructible terrain, and there's lots of explosive ordnance (and the alien plasma weapons) taht allow you to destroy the terrain.

In fact when you assault a crashed UFO you can damn near blow the entire thing up from the outside if you have a squad with 4 heavies (for rockets and double grenades). Extra cool if you mana to hit the UFOs power source inside for a MEGA explosion (basically killing all aliens inside the craft in one turn, but also destroying the craft as well)

Of course that's the trade off; and this game is FILLED with EQUAL VALUE trade-offs. Using explosives will destroy any alien artifacts or tech that might have been salvagable.

And you can get REAL ballsy and try to capture live aliens using a giant stun gun of sorts -- often worth losing one of your best men to accomplish this, as the alien interrogations result in huge intel bonuses (and often new tech research as well)

[Tecmos Deception]

AKA it's x-com: ufo defense but remade and probably not as good.

I mean, a dude got shot by an alien and he didn't instantly die. It's easier than the original already! The fog of war looks pretty weak too. Looks like you can see the whole damn map from the launch point, so at least you have an idea of where to try to move to to get some los on the aliens.

[JonathanHancock]

It's really good actually.

A good middle ground for new players and veterans of the old game.

[SamwiseRed]

xcom ufo defense (the one for ps1) was pretty hardcore and fun. i remember as soon as i landed i tried to get my guys the fuck away from the ship before one was taken over and allah akbar'd my whole team. sometimes i would go to missions with a shit ton of heavy explosive, i would then proceed to blow up the entire map. ahh i could go on and on, love that game.

[Nogdar]

Super Hexagon

[Kagatob]

Final Doom on nightmare difficulty is pretty tough (Tough enough that I gave up trying by lvl 11 or so). I don't know if games with difficulty settings would count though.

[Tecmos Deception]

xcom ufo defense (the one for ps1) was pretty hardcore and fun. i remember as soon as i landed i tried to get my guys the fuck away from the ship before one was taken over and allah akbar'd my whole team. sometimes i would go to missions with a shit ton of heavy explosive, i would then proceed to blow up the entire map. ahh i could go on and on, love that game.

This.

Once you get that blaster launcher, you don't even need to leave your fucking launch zones except with some sacrificial soldier to line of sight to fire the rockets.

Fuck. Gonna go fire it up and play it while I camp something easy.

[Nirgon]

Super Ghouls and Ghosts.

Try it, get back to me.

[Klendathu]

TMNT for NES was waaay more difficult than most. Same for G&G, fucking game was merciless.

Some of the Wizardry ports to SNES could be rough too, early on anyway.

I always wanted to try Xcom UFO Defense, but never did.

[JonathanHancock]

xcom ufo defense (the one for ps1) was pretty hardcore and fun. i remember as soon as i landed i tried to get my guys the fuck away from the ship before one was taken over and allah akbar'd my whole team. sometimes i would go to missions with a shit ton of heavy explosive, i would then proceed to blow up the entire map. ahh i could go on and on, love that game.

Then you'll be happy to hear that everything you mentioned is back!!!