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[reddi lol]

Ya he's a recent grad that still hasn't found a jOb trying to talk textbook vs experience

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

Theme song for programming discussion in this thread, Naez is the midget and Rogean is the cop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2NW1-_HUbw

[GODPARTICLE]

Has everything to do with the discussion. You're making it out like a single read, with a single projection operation, happening in literally the measurement of a nanosecond, is the end of the world.

Also my degree is from UCI, and I have a job making assloads of money for what amounts to reddit all day, all while finishing coursework for my master's to pursue a phd

[reddi lol]

All I need to know about you to make assumptions about every pos you make:

Plays eq live
Pastes IRC chat into forum

Confirmed idiot

[Rogean]

To all you college grads that think you are gods gift to coding, go get a real job, with real deadlines, work 60-80 hours a week for some BS corporation that can never give good business requirements. Recode your shit 80 times because users don't understand how to give requirements, get yelled at for not reading minds and not delivering perfect products in ridiculous timeframes.


And this is exactly why I don't do programming as a career. Very well said. I knew about this environment before I chose a different path (although still in the IT Field). Programming is my Hobby. As a job, I'm a network engineer. The two areas compliment eachother very well while keeping me interested in doing both of them.

[GODPARTICLE]

trolls* eqlive

whats your hiccup on irc anyway you always bring it up lol?

[GODPARTICLE]

I'm a software engineer not a programmer. I try to read minds, write design specs, and ship it to India

[Rogean]

I'm a software engineer not a programmer.

They are the same thing. That's like saying The Cloud (Which I hate that term) isn't the Internet. At one point it wasn't but now all the dumbasses call the Internet THE CLOUUUDDDD OOOHHHH (Cue Toy Story Alien thingamabobbers)

[GODPARTICLE]

They are the same thing. That's like saying The Cloud (Which I hate that term) isn't the Internet. At one point it wasn't but now all the dumbasses call the Internet THE CLOUUUDDDD OOOHHHH (Cue Toy Story Alien thingamabobbers)

You say potato I say potato. I rarely have to touch code, just design the overall system and outsource\

http://work.chron.com/differences-between-software-engineer-computer-programmer-7587.html

Computer Programmers
Computer programmers receive specifications by software engineers to write the instructions or code the computer follows.

[Rogean]

Dictionary.com:

software engineer

noun
a person who designs and writes and tests computer programs [syn: programmer]

[Obwin]

And this is exactly why I don't do programming as a career. Very well said. I knew about this environment before I chose a different path (although still in the IT Field). Programming is my Hobby. As a job, I'm a network engineer. The two areas compliment eachother very well while keeping me interested in doing both of them.

Also the reason I switched to the business side. I still try to stick up for our developers and intercept shitty requirements where I can.

[Colgate]

rogaine what color is the pvp text gonna be

[Splorf22]

Hehe I just read the original piece of code that sparked this debate. Godparticle, you desperately a little practical programming experience (and some humility).

Rogean's solution is a simple sprintf which will finish in (conservatively) 500 cycles or 100ns. Your solution requires a database lookup, with multiple locks/unlocks. You even mentioned the HARD DRIVE. If the hard drive is invovled we're talking on the order of milliseconds which would make your solution 10,000 times slower. But more probably the DB would cache stuff in RAM so your solution would only be 500x slower.

[nilbog]

Plz orange. Plz. But I don't think emu supports it (yet?).

[GODPARTICLE]

Rogean's also doesnt have a random saying, updatable in realtime, apples and oranges. There isn't multiple locks, myisam is table lock, that's why it excels for reads

[Obwin]

You say potato I say potato. I rarely have to touch code, just design the overall system and outsource\

http://work.chron.com/differences-between-software-engineer-computer-programmer-7587.html

Bet your "outsourced" coders are having a field day coding to your textbook, pie in the sky specs, knowing you have no knowledge to evaluate the actual quaility of their work. Assuming you actually have a job which I kind of doubt.

[reddi lol]

Dunked.gif

Toystory_aliens_oooo.jpg

[Alecta]

Venturing into /. troll territory here, heh.

Software Engineer - Term used to piss off engineers who take licensing exams.

[Colgate]

Plz orange. Plz. But I don't think emu supports it (yet?).

yellow imo

[Rogean]

lol you know what term is misused to piss people off.. "Senior". People everywhere will randomly stick that in front of their title to get some jollies over coworkers. I laughed when one of the other network engineers started doing that last year. He didn't last long.

[reddi lol]

Plz orange. Plz. But I don't think emu supports it (yet?).

At first was like whaaaat? Then was like ahhhh.

Could be beneficial cus won't conflict w other native yellow text.

Would be nice if we knew which type of message it was for filtering and text box relocation.

[GODPARTICLE]

Bet your "outsourced" coders are having a field day coding to your textbook, pie in the sky specs, knowing you have no knowledge to evaluate the actual quaility of their work. Assuming you actually have a job which I kind of doubt.

Bro I started out with GW-Basic on a DOS box back in 1992 at age 4. I know more than they do, that's why I am in the lead role. I have desperately little programming experience?

https://code.google.com/u/113028913572789683852/

[HeisChuck]

naez slam dunkin lead server coders :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[reddi lol]

Naez spiraling down the tubes, abort abort

[Zade]

green - 1v1 kills
yellow - gank squad kills
orange - raid pvp kills

imo

do it, do it

[Rogean]

Bro I started out with GW-Basic on a DOS box back in 1992 at age 4. I know more than they do, that's why I am in the lead role. I have desperately little programming experience?

https://code.google.com/u/113028913572789683852/

Owner dinput-proxy-dll Fully Implemented DirectX Input Proxy DLL

Look out pals hes got his own version of dsetup.dll!

[Smedy]

young doctor naez should cast evacuate before rogean loads up antihax.dll and posts his porn folder for us all to lol at

[Smedy]

green - 1v1 kills
yellow - gank squad kills
orange - raid pvp kills

imo

do it, do it

Didn't even think this was possible, if it is, that would be absolutely amazing

[reddi lol]

He thinks he's talking to the 4 idiots in his Irc chat room that ooh and ahh at his google copy pastes

[Rogean]

Didn't even think this was possible, if it is, that would be absolutely amazing

I was originally planning a very sophisticated system with combined kills and different messages but I haven't had the time so rather than wait I'm just giving you guys the basic kill message for now.

[reddi lol]

Didn't even think this was possible, if it is, that would be absolutely amazing

Zade should be hoisted onto shoulders and celebrated

[GODPARTICLE]

Look out pals hes got his own version of dsetup.dll!

dinput, not dsetup, which has more than just generated proxy calls as witnessed in the wininet.dll source you posted. You pretty much have to rewrite the entire thing if you want to properly inject.

https://code.google.com/p/dinput-proxy-dll/source/browse/proxy_idid.c
https://code.google.com/p/dinput-proxy-dll/source/browse/proxy_idi.c

[Colgate]

I was originally planning a very sophisticated system with combined kills and different messages but I haven't had the time so rather than wait I'm just giving you guys the basic kill message for now.

well what color will it be

[Obwin]

You rewrote a program (probably copied from someone else) to find prime numbers? Never mind, I take it all back sir. Carry on teaching rogean how to code.

I'll link his project for you to take a look at www.project1999.org

[Smedy]

I was originally planning a very sophisticated system with combined kills and different messages but I haven't had the time so rather than wait I'm just giving you guys the basic kill message for now.

that's cool sause broslice

would tell you to take your time but fuck that, give us regular :P

[GODPARTICLE]

Whats funny is the entire point of making that dinput proxy was because it was the easiest way to write a simple bot for p99. My madness is limited to the pursuit of science and knowledge not zonecmd'ing tho

http://i.imgur.com/Iw9M7KD.png

[Rogean]

Whats funny is the entire point of making that dinput proxy was because it was the easiest way to write a simple bot for p99.

http://i.qkme.me/3ug6ul.jpg

[reddi lol]

Sig

[Smedy]

the thread just got better, zonecmd card pulled

[Splorf22]

You rewrote a program (probably copied from someone else) to find prime numbers? Never mind, I take it all back sir. Carry on teaching rogean how to code.

I'll link his project for you to take a look at www.project1999.org

converted from wikipedia pseudocode!

[GODPARTICLE]

I didn't write a program. I wrote a class. The wikipedia psuedocode is awful too, there is virtually no translation in my implementation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Atkin#Pseudocode
https://code.google.com/p/atkinsieve/source/browse/atkinsieve.h

[heartbrand]

What happened 2 this thread no clue wut all this code shit is just want fixes

[Obwin]

All trolling aside godparticle. I am sure you are a bright dude and I don't doubt you are smart. Congrats on your degree. A little advice though, some humility and realization that the world isn't a textbook will go a long way. Find the people that know shit better than you and instead of shitting on their work and calling yourself a "senior high level thinker", ask them questions and learn. Most of the best developers don't have applicable college degrees and if you judge based on academic qualifications you are doomed to fail. People that go far in the IT world know how to keep good coders happy, communicate well, make people LIKE THEM and naviagate the political storms with skill.

[Colgate]

What happened 2 this thread no clue wut all this code shit is just want fixes

[Smedy]

if code is good enough for india, it ain't good enough for us

that's what he is saying dog

[HeisChuck]

NaEz is a brilliant mind and would make an excellent coder for this server


He gets my vote and that's an important vote.

[GODPARTICLE]

I just finished a class on Oracle (implementation not SQL) yesterday, which is why my explanations on the overhead of a read statement might sound so textbookual.

[reddi lol]

Grats on your knowledge though lecture.

[juicedsixfo]

can it be hot pink

can guilds choose the color

[GODPARTICLE]

Thanks, except the entire computer science department is Japan natives you can't understand so I paid more attention to google

[princepolk]

[url]http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108599

[nilbog]

Yep, it's a board game. You gonna call me a nerd, nerd?

[heartbrand]

Yep, it's a board game. You gonna call me a nerd, nerd?

what is the context of this post did i miss something

[SamwiseRed]

I was originally planning a very sophisticated system with combined kills and different messages but I haven't had the time so rather than wait I'm just giving you guys the basic kill message for now.

you have my bronze two handed axe

[India]

I'm a software engineer not a programmer. I try to read minds, write design specs, and ship it to India

What?!

[SamwiseRed]

all these coders on p99 and none of you bastards can make a sullon zek emu. da fuck man wish this was the matrix and i could download the knowledge to my brain. id be all over that shit.

[Ladytron]

Fuck I cant find the patch to play

[Nirgon]

all these coders on p99 and none of you bastards can make a sullon zek emu. da fuck man wish this was the matrix and i could download the knowledge to my brain. id be all over that shit.

Only other server type that would "make sense" is a Discord server for the luls when pvp resists are straigthened out.

Cross teaming etc is a well known strat in advance and something people would immediately set out to do from day 1 intentionally.

[SamwiseRed]

there was no x teaming on sz unless you are talking about the rare occurrence of someone training their own team. another ffa server is a terrible idea. sheez why do you cling to this ruleset... if the "other" server wasnt teams, i see no point.

[FaithlessKR]

What?!

best post of thread

[Nirgon]

I'm going to avoid this discussion with you Sam because we already had it out and were men about it

[SamwiseRed]

word

[nilbog]

what color is the pvp text gonna be

my @colors = (1..400);

sub EVENT_SAY {
if($text=~/color/i){
foreach $color (@colors) {
quest::ze($color,"testing $color");
}
}
}I'm liking 290.

[Nune]

lol y'all theoryquesting new PvP server ideas in the thread posted by the dev addressing changes coming to this PvP server.

This server sucks because most of you do. A thousand boxes, a thousand rule sets, and a thousand new players couldn't change that.

There were 600 people here on day one, and this wasnt the sleeper - people didnt start leaving because the servers so broke its unplayable. People left because of people.

Here's a metaphor: This PvP server is a house. And in this house lives all the people who play here. Now, everyone in the house has no respect for the roof over their head nor the landlord who charges no rent for the people living there. Since day 1, people have just been smearing shit on everything, breaking all the furniture, making a full effort to get people to move out. Now comes today, and this house is full of broken glass and shit, and a fraction of the people who used to live there. And it sucks, because .. well.. everything has a 2 inch deep layer of shit on it.

Yet here you are, those very people, asking/debating ideas for a new house. A new house that you will go into, shit all over, destroy inside-out. Inside of a thread that the landlord posted to make an attempt to better the house you've ruined.

[Obwin]

+1^

[Nirgon]

There were 600 people here on day one, and this wasnt the sleeper - people didnt start leaving because the servers so broke its unplayable. People left because of people.


No... pretty sure lack of NPC/guard assist, opening weekend lag, mage pets and just a lack of cheap Kunark power weapons to buy to twink melees killed most of the pop.

It's quite true that most people can't handle real EverQuest, let alone PvP.

What you see on blue is a server FLOODED with items.

I can post WTB Cloak of Flames and get one on blue.

On live? In Kunark/Velious? No fucking way on any of the servers I played.

The server I want to play most is when all the changes are done and things CLOSELY match live. Playing from scratch on a box like this is the best gaming around to this day.

[Vile]

To all you college grads that think you are gods gift to coding, go get a real job, with real deadlines, work 60-80 hours a week for some BS corporation that can never give good business requirements. Recode your shit 80 times because users don't understand how to give requirements, get yelled at for not reading minds and not delivering perfect products in ridiculous timeframes.

YES. Welcome to my world!

[Nirgon]

Yes in the professional world you quickly realize that everything isn't text book and the code you work with has had people of varying skill levels touching it for 10 years.

Have fun thinking you know everything when that gets put in front of you.

[Obwin]

Yes in the professional world you quickly realize that everything isn't text book and the code you work with has had people of varying skill levels touching it for 10 years.

Have fun thinking you know everything when that gets put in front of you.

Don't forget you can never change anything ever that affects a downstream interface even if you are making it 100x more efficient.

[Obwin]

The server I want to play most is when all the changes are done and things CLOSELY match live. Playing from scratch on a box like this is the best gaming around to this day.

Dying to play from scratch on a good box. Missed it when eqemu first hit the scene. Tried it on r1999 a while back but too far behind the population, never ran into anyone and didn't have any good dick or anti-Semitic jokes to add to /ooc.

[juicedsixfo]

This PvP server is a house. And in this house lives all the people who play here. Now, everyone in the house has no respect for the roof over their head nor the landlord who charges no rent for the people living there. Since day 1, people have just been smearing shit on everything, breaking all the furniture, making a full effort to get people to move out. Now comes today, and this house is full of broken glass and shit, and a fraction of the people who used to live there. And it sucks, because .. well.. everything has a 2 inch deep layer of shit on it.

Yet here you are, those very people, asking/debating ideas for a new house. A new house that you will go into, shit all over, destroy inside-out. Inside of a thread that the landlord posted to make an attempt to better the house you've ruined.

i at least planted flowers in the garden

[Ladytron]

Still poppin I see

[heartbrand]

The tards here 100% hurt server pop, but I think it's a fallacy to assume that changes won't bring back pop, considering there's a good 150 people out there of this tard group who would come back with said changes.

[Nirgon]

100 people addicted to EverQuest remained. If everything was in place and to spec (aka people with 100+ mr not getting root-decimated), I'd think we'd still be at 385 pop or so.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

there was no x teaming on sz unless you are talking about the rare occurrence of someone training their own team.

I actually caught Nizzar powerleveling and gearing up goods in SolB on Sullon Zek. Tenaj was like, that's his cyber girlfriend or something, I dunno what he's doing.

[purist__]

FUK naez got dunked on in this thread harder than i've ever seen

i actually am embarassed for you dogg

[GODPARTICLE]

Nah, these people have no idea what they're talking about. As was pointed out, the results would have been cached in database memory anyway, meaning each call would be the equivalent of an mt_rand execution. Databases, especially for reads, are designed to be fast with heavy concurrency. Should have been clear when all I did was talk about real simple primitive operators in relational algebra for a select query, in this case one that only uses a single π projection, and they said I was copying a textbook.

[reddi lol]

Pop at 350+ would make me quit my job and go on unemployment

[Tradesonred]

Guards were a problem, but i think biggest problem was (wait for it) xp loss in pvp (surprise! amirite)

Nune is saying people are "jerks" (a lot are) but if you didnt have xp loss in pvp, all this "griefing" woulda been "Rumble in the junglin" and i think it woulda been a + for the server, just like pvping in Gfay/Crushbone was the shit to play for hours back on Rallos.

The pop would have held till guards were fixed

Now we finally have a chance to semi-find out if i was right (cuz its not a level playing field with twinked out melees)

[Faerie Blossom]

Guards were a problem, but i think biggest problem was (wait for it) xp loss in pvp (surprise! amirite)

Nune is saying people are "jerks" (a lot are) but if you didnt have xp loss in pvp, all this "griefing" woulda been "Rumble in the junglin" and i think it woulda been a + for the server, just like pvping in Gfay/Crushbone was the shit to play for hours back on Rallos.

The pop would have held till guards were fixed

Now we finally have a chance to semi-find out if i was right (cuz its not a level playing field with twinked out melees)

No, the community being blah was the main problem. At the start, and even up into the 30s, xp loss from dying in pvp hardly mattered at all. I lost more xp from Holocaust training than I did from all my pvp deaths combined.

[Handpartytowel]

I lost more xp from Holocaust training than I did from all my pvp deaths combined.

haha

[Zalaerian]

No, the community being blah was the main problem. At the start, and even up into the 30s, xp loss from dying in pvp hardly mattered at all. I lost more xp from Holocaust training than I did from all my pvp deaths combined.

Hard times

[Colgate]

hi tbrz

[Tradesonred]

No, the community being blah was the main problem. At the start, and even up into the 30s, xp loss from dying in pvp hardly mattered at all. I lost more xp from Holocaust training than I did from all my pvp deaths combined.

You dont see the problem because youre not a pvper

[Faerie Blossom]

Hard times

Not particularly, but you guys really scared off the bluebies we needed for healthy population. As far as I'm concerned, no former Holocaust member has the right to complain about low pop :P

You dont see the problem because youre not a pvper

There's no need for name-calling.

[Tradesonred]

You want some Nostradamus shit?

03-21-2013

The pop surge is in part winter hunkering down im sure.

When spring comes if they dont fix the xp loss in pvp weve been telling them to fix for 2 years, server's getting flushed down the toilet, mark my words.

[Tradesonred]

Faerie Blossom / Harrison same person confirmed

Most likely Lulzsect / Kimm as well

[Crenshinabon]

Nirgon all I see is you complaining about resist in almost every thread you post. Not many others post these same complaints at this time.

Also I sit around 100 MR and I rarely get snared or rooted. I can count on resisting about 14/15 of them and when one finally lands i just dispell it. And thats just 100 MR.

Not to mention the time they sit there spamming root or snare I am killing the shit outta them.

I honestly just think you are a giant troll who is too blue to play on a server where once a day you get rooted for 15 seconds where you cant be good enough to just dispell yourself.




I say we just give every melee character max resistances so spells are useless and have it so casters die in 1 shot to melee damage. Sounds like a good time imo.

[Colgate]

Nirgon all I see is you complaining about resist in almost every thread you post. Not many others post these same complaints at this time.

Also I sit around 100 MR and I rarely get snared or rooted. I can count on resisting about 14/15 of them and when one finally lands i just dispell it. And thats just 100 MR.

Not to mention the time they sit there spamming root or snare I am killing the shit outta them.

I honestly just think you are a giant troll who is too blue to play on a server where once a day you get rooted for 15 seconds where you cant be good enough to just dispell yourself.




I say we just give every melee character max resistances so spells are useless and have it so casters die in 1 shot to melee damage. Sounds like a good time imo.

if you apply the current resist rates to group/mass pvp and think about it for maybe thirty seconds you'll realize why this is horribly, horribly awfully horrible

[Crenshinabon]

Anyone spamming root in group/mass pvp is stupid as shit.

[heartbrand]

First of all you need I believe it's 180 MR to reach 95% root resistance the current cap. For many people that's not even remotely feasible, for others it means sacrificing hp/other resists just for a chance at resisting root. For whatever reason that 5% seems much more likely on first casts here. I don't want to hear about casters being ineffective, wizards have fast cast lure spells, mages have fire nukes and pets, enchanters are great utility / shouldn't be nuking anyway / necros are godly. Yes, Druids take a big hit, sorry Druids who are currently dropping close to 1k wildfires on VP geared melees with the utility of sow / heals / buffs / ports / cheetah.

If you want pvp where every class has an equal chance against another go play wow, which btw I happen to and enjoy, but this is classic eq it's a different experience, and if classic resists aren't to you're liking maybe this game isn't for you. Not all classes are meant to kill all other classes. Casters shouldn't be engaging melees 1v1 in the open. Melees shouldn't be engaging casters leved up high and out of range. Rogues shouldn't be taking on warriors 1v1, enchanters shouldn't be taking melees 1v1 etc etc.

[heartbrand]

Anyone spamming root in group/mass pvp is stupid as shit.

And yet when we spam it without fail it lands every time and the person rooted is dead.

[Nirgon]

Never caused one train

[GODPARTICLE]

btw what is that Rogean perl or something? What's the world coming to with ternary operations in a string format. Wonder if that's valid in C/C++

I thought it would be, my assumption is correct

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
const int b = 1;
printf("%s %s", b ? "cando" : "nutdo", !b ? "cando" : "nutdo");

return 0;
}


output

cando nutdo

compiles with both c and c++

[SamwiseRed]

Nah, these people have no idea what they're talking about. As was pointed out, the results would have been cached in database memory anyway, meaning each call would be the equivalent of an mt_rand execution. Databases, especially for reads, are designed to be fast with heavy concurrency. Should have been clear when all I did was talk about real simple primitive operators in relational algebra for a select query, in this case one that only uses a single π projection, and they said I was copying a textbook.

not sure what this means but can u make a sz box? thanks.

[gloinz]

Anyone spamming root in group/mass pvp is stupid as shit.

its more of a closer imo or to be used when you have the clear advantage

but its a+++ effective as a closer to score kills that would never happen in classic eq

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

Faerie Blossom / Harrison same person confirmed

Most likely Lulzsect / Kimm as well

Harrison and Faerie are not even close the same people:


Harrison

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/4264/harrisonl.png


vs Faerie

http://imageshack.us/a/img90/8546/lolfaerie.png

[GODPARTICLE]

not sure what this means but can u make a sz box? thanks.

It's pretty simple in that the offset for client side for SZ name colours are available right in MQ2, hence how Secrets found them 2 years ago (surely not the first). The "hard" part (maybe a few hours if experienced) would be to implement it serverside. But at base, the eqemu, let alone pvp, codebase is totally bad, so goog luck

[Faerie Blossom]

I'd play on a SZ ruleset server so long as training was not allowed. Make it happen, you smart computer geeks! :)

[Bamzal Sherbet]

Nirgon all I see is you complaining about resist in almost every thread you post. Not many others post these same complaints at this time.

are you serious or dumb?

[reddi lol]

legal training will bring pop back

[Colgate]

First of all you need I believe it's 180 MR to reach 95% root resistance the current cap. For many people that's not even remotely feasible, for others it means sacrificing hp/other resists just for a chance at resisting root. For whatever reason that 5% seems much more likely on first casts here. I don't want to hear about casters being ineffective, wizards have fast cast lure spells, mages have fire nukes and pets, enchanters are great utility / shouldn't be nuking anyway / necros are godly. Yes, Druids take a big hit, sorry Druids who are currently dropping close to 1k wildfires on VP geared melees with the utility of sow / heals / buffs / ports / cheetah.

If you want pvp where every class has an equal chance against another go play wow, which btw I happen to and enjoy, but this is classic eq it's a different experience, and if classic resists aren't to you're liking maybe this game isn't for you. Not all classes are meant to kill all other classes. Casters shouldn't be engaging melees 1v1 in the open. Melees shouldn't be engaging casters leved up high and out of range. Rogues shouldn't be taking on warriors 1v1, enchanters shouldn't be taking melees 1v1 etc etc.

i think my monk could hit 180 MR with best possible gear in the game and forego every other stat/resist

unbuffed ofc

[SamwiseRed]

resists are for wussies.

[Crenshinabon]

are you serious or dumb?

1/20 roots currently will land with good MR which is even easier to come by in a group with a bard or MR buffer. Can you not handle that? Seriously? Learn to play bro.

Perfect example was the duo BotB. Not a single root landed the entire tourny. People who sat their casting it got owned. Stop the crying imo. There are more important matters like xp loss in pvp, YT, group xp, Tstaff op.

[FaithlessKR]

I'm sitting at 149mr on my rogue unbuffed. The only thing I'm really missing is a tranix crown. However that being said the amount of times I've been first cast rooted has gone beyond count. 1/20 is not even close to the amount of times root lands at that mr level, get your facts straight.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

1/20 roots currently will land with good MR which is even easier to come by in a group with a bard or MR buffer. Can you not handle that? Seriously? Learn to play bro.


Everything about this guy's post is just clueless on game balance. EQ live is not a forced grouping game for PvP. There were far more people walking around solo PvPing on Sullon Zek than in groups at any given time during this era.

Someone claimed it takes 180 magic resist on here to get 95% resistant to CC? I had the best gear on the server on Sullon Zek on my monk pre-luclin with fungi, tstaff, epic, etc, and only had like 120magic resist at most.

Then you think it's OK for the months long leveling process from 1-60, for any jewish scumbags that walk around in a group of 6 attacking soloers with mage pets to just get free kills while the other person is perma cc'd in place? That's why this server has 0 population, because of clueless resist design (from null) and people like you.

Then you have Tstaff, mine (pre-luclin) on SZ never proc'd for longer than 3-4 seconds max, and sometimes it would only last 1 second or so. WHY the fuck does it last 18 seconds on here??? what the fuck?

[Crenshinabon]

Facts came right from one of the devs saying 5%. Dont remember who but I know its here somewhere.
And Tmoney, lol. Saying this is not a group pvp game. I am clueless? The only solo roam pvpers that were around were lone druids for the most part.


Came from Tmoney himself guys. EQ is not a group game. GTFO if you cant solo.
Also from Tmoney people like me (people who still play the game, don't grief, rarely use root, still does very well) killed the population.

[FaithlessKR]

Facts came right from one of the devs saying 5%. Dont remember who but I know its here somewhere.

It's a 5% chance of a spell landing regardless of resists. However like I said I'm only missing one piece of resist gear that I'm actually able to get my hands on. And that one piece wouldn't put me at 180 unbuffed.

You didn't need 180 unbuffed on live you only needed I want to say 125ish to become near immune to retarded shit like snare/root spamming.

[reddi lol]

U can have 900 mr and still get first cast land

Vlassic

[Nune]

It's a 5% chance of a spell landing regardless of resists. However like I said I'm only missing one piece of resist gear that I'm actually able to get my hands on. And that one piece wouldn't put me at 180 unbuffed.

You didn't need 180 unbuffed on live you only needed I want to say 125ish to become near immune to retarded shit like snare/root spamming.

Can confirm this. On live, there was a Pande twink named Belaggio (never trust someone named after a hotel, lil TZ inside joke for yalls where my TZ folks at). She jumped us at Orc Highway and I remember blowing an entire bar of mana, and our enchanter blowing an entire bar of mana, and landing nothing. She'd run around with 45+ druid buffs, so melees killed themselves hitting her (him obv). Literally was untouchable to a non-twink

[FaithlessKR]

Can confirm this. On live, there was a Pande twink named Belaggio (never trust someone named after a hotel, lil TZ inside joke for yalls where my TZ folks at). She jumped us at Orc Highway and I remember blowing an entire bar of mana, and our enchanter blowing an entire bar of mana, and landing nothing. She'd run around with 45+ druid buffs, so melees killed themselves hitting her (him obv). Literally was untouchable to a non-twink

She spent about a year at the giant fort in Warslisks too. Was beyond ridiculous how hard it was to kill her, though we did do it with like 15 people a couple of times.

[heartbrand]

On red99 all you would need is an earth pet and she wud be a goner for sure

[Silent]

I have found it all to be random, Maybe earth pets just cast root more often or some shit which is why people complain about it so much. I get earth pets tested on me regularly and unbuffed i sit about 149MR. I resisted a total of 13 earth pet roots before one landed for 3 seconds(this was throughout multiple summons of pet by 60 mage). Though when the final blue con pet was summoned it landed a root on its 4th try(estimating 20 second duration in that time) and it lasted something like 12-18 seconds. None of these pets were even using burnout or weapons so I didn't take much damage. I can see how the proper pet with haste would be OP if it got lucky.

As far as rooting in pvp goes, I stopped bothering trying to get a root off on anyone I know is stacking resist gear because ensnare seems to land way more often. Same goes for bards, I had one twisting me 350mr+ easily with a 60s epic earth pet trying to root me and a cleric spam rooting me. first 25 or so all resist. few mins later with MR song still going cleric got it off first shot for a decent duration. Personally I can't complain about anything other then the fact it removing sow/jboots, just annoying recasting but pvp is pvp.

[Bazia]

guy with brother who is a mage disagrees with 99.9% of the server that earth pet is obviously incredibly broken, even after nilbog himself confirmed it in /ooc by logging and testing it the resist checks

tite

[heartbrand]

I am one of the best geared chars on server and have the natural warrior MR boost of +30. I sit always at the MR cap for root which I think is 180. Mage pets root so fast combined with the bashes that never seem to miss its GG. All it takes is a three second root for me to be focused down and blown up. Since melees can't channel (and the pet is chain bashing you anyway) its GG.

[Jenni D]

Cant remember the last time i landed root on anyone

[Crenshinabon]

I can see the mage epic pet being too strong.
While I still dont see the issue with the normal spell.

[Stylez]

Not playing if changed to root pet! This is the correct fashion right to complain when something is changed? Server will die if you do this. hope i did it right.

[Bazia]

I got rooted 7/9 times by Vivonia (level 20 enc) today also whirled 2/4

My warrior has 117 MR (Was tashed so actually 102)

classic

[Colgate]

resists overall are fucked here

having 159 fire resist and still taking full damage from wildfires is a joke

may the better zerg win

[gloinz]

t staff is the true evil dawgs let us unite in its condemnation

[reddi lol]

yo gloinz I think I saw u at the boardwalk today, I only saw the top of ur head tho so not sure if 4rl

[Nizzarr]

I'm all for 4 seconds max pvp stuns, if you fix resists.

I'm sitting @ 120 fr unbuffed and I get like a nice 10% reduction on wildfires. 700 damage instead of 766.

Makes no fucking sense.

[mendan]

Casters have no chance against a melee. How does that get fixed?

[Bazia]

Casters have no chance against a melee. How does that get fixed?

casters can rape melees, specially with broken resists

[hagard]

Casters have no chance against a melee. How does that get fixed?

dum or srs????

[Tradesonred]

I'm all for 4 seconds max pvp stuns, if you fix resists.

I'm sitting @ 120 fr unbuffed and I get like a nice 10% reduction on wildfires. 700 damage instead of 766.

Makes no fucking sense.

[Bazia]

fuck null let sundawg tweak this shit bros idc give him aon or something shits redonk

[Tradesonred]

Wasnt trying to press devs for resist fix actually, think xp gain/xp loss removed should be priority IMO

Was just laughing at Nizzar whos saying yeah well give up our ridiculous 18 sec stuns no chance to resist... but if and only if you fix resists.

The ever quotable Nizzar

Lache pas la patate

[Faerie Blossom]

I kind of agree with Null, when he said that removing spell lines entirely was a terrible way to balance the game. Why should root/snare classes give up such important abilities entirely, just because melee classes suck in pvp?

It's been established that we don't need to go with a strictly classic spell system just to be classic, so why not go further with it? I'm okay with pure melee classes being given some basic channeling skill; let's see how much the classic pvp system can be improved upon instead of limiting ourselves to something broken that the original devs refused to look at.

imo

[Bazia]

resists was one of the few things classic did right

7/9 roots at 102 MR is fucking retarded, if you played a class that couldnt self buff MR you would realize this

[Bazia]

give sundawg aon to fix resists

ur our only hope

[Faerie Blossom]

Maybe we should just remove all classes that can't self buff mr from game :P

Problem solved.

[Bazia]

yeah already wearing MR in 80% of my slots and still getting root locked easily

yall who can buff mr don't have to sacrifice the massive amount of gear tradeoffs it takes to get 40-50 additional MR, shits not tite

[Tradesonred]

resists was one of the few things classic did right

7/9 roots at 102 MR is fucking retarded, if you played a class that couldnt self buff MR you would realize this

I remember on Rallos one twinked out SK could run around 4 naked caster noobs and basically kill us one by one by kiting us around

Not sure if thats such a good idea when they cant even lose that gear

Maybe some sort of balance between easy as fuck root and rallos style spam root 20 times and doesnt stick

Thats why im saying they should get done with xp loss and xp gain first before server dips to one digit figure again, resists is a more complex fix

[mendan]

dum or srs????

Not sure what char you play but with all the zone line hugging, ease of ranging spells, interrupting spells, channeling sucks, stun locks, blind poisons, I much rather play my rogue than Druid or shaman.

[Agatha]

One good mage comes to the server and everyone start crying foul bout root pet.

Sorry in advance to the devs for all the crying i have caused, specialy from heartbrand. He rage logs everytime i get him cause he is "proving a point" or something. l0l.

Just play better.

[heartbrand]

Agatha bro its like 5-0 checkraise since your return pal

[Agatha]

let thy yellow text be the truth teller

[heartbrand]

Mmmmk mmmk

[Crenshinabon]

I say if we never let spells land anymore we allow looting rights of melee gear.

================================================== =

And GJ going 1vs1 against an epic mage. Of course you die.
I remember mages were complete op mode if their epic pet was on you. Always been like that.

Fuck the pet alone could damn nearly take on my planar geared shadowknight.
This was all classic. Although the pet root landing more often than it should is a different matter all around.

[Infectious]

Reason necros are so gimped is I always thought dots did full damage in pvp if the pc was running, like in pve?

[Sektor]

I'm all for 4 seconds max pvp stuns, if you fix resists.

I'm sitting @ 120 fr unbuffed and I get like a nice 10% reduction on wildfires. 700 damage instead of 766.

Makes no fucking sense.

lol good times

[Nirgon]

Colgate the Grandmaster makes sense

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

the amount of stupid in this thread is baffling

people arguing that root and snare landing at all ever above 70 mr doesnt ruin pvp

nizzar suggesting that there is any scenario in which tstaff in its current form isnt absolutely retarded bullshit

[SamwiseRed]

Nizzar completely destroyed by cwall's sig

[freez]

Reason necros are so gimped is I always thought dots did full damage in pvp if the pc was running, like in pve?



negative

[Nirgon]

Nizzar completely destroyed by cwall's sig

[Littlegyno 9.0]

I was originally planning a very sophisticated system with combined kills and different messages but I haven't had the time so rather than wait I'm just giving you guys the basic kill message for now.

Story of Red99.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Nizzar completely destroyed by stairs

[Sickpuppy]

Agatha root pet might lock down checkraise but 1v1 you do not have enuff mana to kill him and 5 soulfire charges

[Xantille]

Story of Red99.

ehehehehheheh

[Nirgon]

Story of Red99.

http://i.imgur.com/WSbK7w2.png

Imo this is the story

[Littlegyno 9.0]

http://i.imgur.com/WSbK7w2.png

Imo this is the story

No, the story is how relevant Rogean's story is about how he was going to make a big giant complicated AWESOME fucking yellow text system, but instead just make shittastic system and patches it in 12 months later. I mean it's fine if he's moved on to other real life shit or other games or whatever, but in the mean time, we're stuck here with nothing.

Don't derail my rant.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

sig updated

[Faerie Blossom]

No, the story is how relevant Rogean's story is about how he was going to make a big giant complicated AWESOME fucking yellow text system, but instead just make shittastic system and patches it in 12 months later. I mean it's fine if he's moved on to other real life shit or other games or whatever, but in the mean time, we're stuck here with nothing.

Don't derail my rant.

Yellow text is completely unnecessary, and is just being added in as a fun extra thing. We're not stuck here with nothing, considering we have the best EQ server to exist since actual classic EQ. It's quite a bit more than nothing lol :)

[Santana]

Lets get it on.

[Tradesonred]

Yellow text is completely unnecessary, and is just being added in as a fun extra thing. We're not stuck here with nothing, considering we have the best EQ server to exist since actual classic EQ. It's quite a bit more than nothing lol :)

Im sorry i said you have the worst fucking ideas for makin server thrive

Yellow text doesnt matter much, I agree. You think people are gonna not care about losing xp magically just cuz of yellow text?

Removing xp loss in pvp is way more important for server health, and im not sure why its taking so long to implement.

Isnt it like a line of code to switch on/off?

If i was any more cynical id say Rogean and Nilbog are trolling us like you want this? Aww, cant have it

[Faerie Blossom]

Im sorry i said you have the worst fucking ideas for makin server thrive

Yellow text doesnt matter much, I agree. You think people are gonna not care about losing xp magically just cuz of yellow text?

Removing xp loss in pvp is way more important for server health, and im not sure why its taking so long to implement.

Isnt it like a line of code to switch on/off?

If i was any more cynical id say Rogean and Nilbog are trolling us like you want this? Aww, cant have it

I'm sorry I called you an incoherent mess.

The changes are going to go in during the next patch. I'm not sure what needs to happen to make the changes active on the server, but I assume they would need to take the server down to make it happen. Pretty sure they don't want to bring it down just because you think this one change warrants it. Patches are generally released the way they are because it makes more sense to change a bunch of things at once than it does one at a time, especially if the servers need to come down to make said changes happen.

That kinda seems like common sense to me. We've survived over a year with xp loss in pvp, and now that they have given us the good news you're overexcited and demanding again. Calm down; change is on the horizon. Experience loss will be gone next patch, unless something unforeseen gets in the way between then and now.

Be patient.

[Smedy]

is yellow/orange in yet? can i make a comeback or is shit still to classic for me

[Tradesonred]

I'm sorry I called you an incoherent mess.

The changes are going to go in during the next patch. I'm not sure what needs to happen to make the changes active on the server, but I assume they would need to take the server down to make it happen. Pretty sure they don't want to bring it down just because you think this one change warrants it. Patches are generally released the way they are because it makes more sense to change a bunch of things at once than it does one at a time, especially if the servers need to come down to make said changes happen.

That kinda seems like common sense to me. We've survived over a year with xp loss in pvp, and now that they have given us the good news you're overexcited and demanding again. Calm down; change is on the horizon. Experience loss will be gone next patch, unless something unforeseen gets in the way between then and now.

Be patient.

Eve online goes down for an hour every single day for updates. This server is going down the shitter fast

Some people who are quitting are probably not looking back and those people are gone for a long time, if not forever

As soon as i learned about xp loss in pvp being patched, i reinstalled game and logged in, to a different server than the one i left 2-3 months ago
Thats my reasoning for patching xp loss in pvp and xp gain ASAP
Because as much as i want to play EQ pvp like i used to on Rallos, im not going to invest time on a dead server

EQ is pretty fun but its a "marathon payoff", i didnt last past 2 days after i reinstalled because i think in all fairness devs have something to prove that they wont just let server deteriorate again
Motivation wasnt there to put hours in EQ again without knowing for sure server wont be deader than dead in 2 months

Yeah, server is free, we arent entitled to shit, but it works both ways, we dont have to play on a server thats left to its own devices without any kind of checkups on if server can be improved or not

[Bazia]

got first cast rooted by Siege today at 121 MR

shit's still too classic imo

[Terpuntine]

is yellow/orange in yet? can i make a comeback or is shit still to classic for me

Shit's classic brah

[Faerie Blossom]

Eve online goes down for an hour every single day for updates.

Somehow that seems really bad for business. Is it the same time everyday?

[Tradesonred]

Somehow that seems really bad for business. Is it the same time everyday?

6 to 7am EST

[Faerie Blossom]

What is it that needs updating every 24 hours? Doesn't that game only have the one "server", that is international?

You've piqued my interest.

[Smedy]

Shit's classic brah

fuck that, hiding in osamas cave until sunstrike is provided for

[Tradesonred]

What is it that needs updating every 24 hours? Doesn't that game only have the one "server", that is international?


Maybe its why they need constant checking of data, because its so huge and probably dont wanna take chances things getting corrupted and having to backtrack to a week earlier

Maybe its for something else entirely, just a guess

[Terpuntine]

Eve goes down everyday for general maintenence and the occasional patch etc. im at 32m sp's who wants to play some internet spaceships?

[SamwiseRed]

Eve goes down everyday for general maintenence and the occasional patch etc. im at 32m sp's who wants to play some internet spaceships?

17mil sp here, battlecruiser V finally done today.

[Terpuntine]

17mil sp here, battlecruiser V finally done today.

What Race and type of play are you doing?

[SamwiseRed]

gallente mainly. I was workin on missile and other stealth bombing skills before the announced the june 4 expansion and the tiericide changes. so the last month i got destroyer V and battlecruiser V. right now i only fly a Nemesis SB but my corp uses hounds and purifiers so i need to train into those. in a corp with some elite awoxer/pvpers. live in delve fighting the zerg TEST daily, lots of hot drops and black ops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYqChwfGB8

^corp promo video, Pizza Confederation

represent.

[SamwiseRed]

we recently bombed an in-game funeral. redditors were pretty mad (TEST)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1e453q/pizza_bombs_ingame_funeral_event/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPksYrNbSfc

^video

[Terpuntine]

Im mainly an amarr pilot after maxing gunnery/laser skills i went into caldari and missiles

Can fly all racial bombers but mainly fly a tengu for pve stuff or my ham legion for pvp.

I lived in a wormhole for 6 months it got sorta lonely in there but i made a shit load of isk. Solo C3 sites bring in big money

[Terpuntine]

Lulz thats how i would of wanted it

[Terpuntine]

Haha its time for a cap roam bros

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

we recently bombed an in-game funeral. redditors were pretty mad (TEST)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1e453q/pizza_bombs_ingame_funeral_event/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPksYrNbSfc

^video

sry sam i have no idea what is going on in that video looks like a whole lot of nothing

[Andis]

LOL @ colgates sig

LOLOL

[Zade]

trollgate

[Tradesonred]

Eve online goes down for an hour every single day for updates. This server is going down the shitter fast

Some people who are quitting are probably not looking back and those people are gone for a long time, if not forever

As soon as i learned about xp loss in pvp being patched, i reinstalled game and logged in, to a different server than the one i left 2-3 months ago
Thats my reasoning for patching xp loss in pvp and xp gain ASAP
Because as much as i want to play EQ pvp like i used to on Rallos, im not going to invest time on a dead server

EQ is pretty fun but its a "marathon payoff", i didnt last past 2 days after i reinstalled because i think in all fairness devs have something to prove that they wont just let server deteriorate again
Motivation wasnt there to put hours in EQ again without knowing for sure server wont be deader than dead in 2 months

Yeah, server is free, we arent entitled to shit, but it works both ways, we dont have to play on a server thats left to its own devices without any kind of checkups on if server can be improved or not

^

[juicedsixfo]

but for real, what's up with the exp

thanks

[GODPARTICLE]

PROOF i was thinking of caching long in advance

http://i.imgur.com/iYrpYlP.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

wtf is going on

[Yukahwa]

I was just excited to see this thread thinking "oh cool GM's heart us" and then disappointed :(

[Swyft]

AWESOME BUT...

Seriously more exp, I don't want to have to make a twink to grief noobs to pvp, the server's like a ghost town with exp bonus there was pvp everywhere and like 200 heads on all the time now....

I hear crickets.

Maybe text and exp loss on death will bring more numbers, but than again maybe it won't. One thing we definitely know for sure increases pop

EXP BONUS!

[reddi lol]

its been 17 days

[Tomato King6]

desperate for attention