Nilbog how did weekend meeting with Rogean go?

[heartbrand]

?

[Tradesonred]

Reserved

lol

[Infectious]

Some creepy shit about to go on here..

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

inb4 "we want to do things but it's starwars time for rogaine"

[Jenni D]

What weekend meeting?

[SamwiseRed]

The meeting is taking place on Dagobah

[Reddi]

in b4 we make another post asking for change in 4months

[STILLnotMORNIN]

LOL HB SO INVESTED...

[mostbitter]

Obviously it went splendidly as evidenced by all the changes that have been implemented

[fiegi 6.5]

this is how i see it going down

http://media.tumblr.com/105d97730fa33a273575e709778ad0a7/tumblr_inline_mkfqzn78jv1qz4rgp.gif

[heartbrand]

Mean girls good movie

[Faerie Blossom]

I have faith in Rogean.

[mostbitter]

roflolololhawhawhaheee

[Clark]

The meeting is taking place on Dagobah

[Doors]

hhheueheuehhue

[Tradesonred]

http://i.imgflip.com/1e5th.jpg


























http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121204846/starwars/images/c/c5/Maul_twix.png

[Galacticus]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23637320.jpg

[Clark]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23637320.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/ipl71991t/Golf_Clap.jpg

[Smedy]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/24100000/Han-Solo-star-wars-characters-24135922-950-1200.jpg

[Nirgon]

Heartbrand questioning GM decisions, 2 weeks in the tank and perma ban for any back talk

[Reddi]

still in b4 response

[Nirgon]

Velious first bub. If Velious is finished and this all still goes untouched, then I will step right up on the soap box ready to receive my forum ban.

PvP is a big part of EQ like I've always said.

Many servers, many rule sets, balance changes made for PvP and even best of the best for classes was determined by PvP.

To those who played on PvP servers and had the guts for it, nothing has replaced it to this day.

[Reddi]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3245762816/h9A1B2EA6/

[Nirgon]

Bush destroyed the economy and made the world hate us.

Obama defeated terrorism and made the world love us.

Meanwhile, Benghazi terror attacks happen. Oh but that COULDN'T be because of anything other than some inflammatory video.

In other news, Hillary no longer secretary of state because she was too busy ignoring her experts and focusing on her future presidential campaign dreams.

Hopefully, we can kiss all of that goodbye.

The liberals are interested in ONE thing, their political agenda.

[Tradesonred]

Bush destroyed the economy and made the world hate us.

Obama defeated terrorism and made the world love us.

Meanwhile, Benghazi terror attacks happen. Oh but that COULDN'T be because of anything other than some inflammatory video.

In other news, Hillary no longer secretary of state because she was too busy ignoring her experts and focusing on her future presidential campaign dreams.

Hopefully, we can kiss all of that goodbye.

The liberals are interested in ONE thing, their political agenda.

Americas general population is so far removed from reality that when actual reality is gonna come around, it wont be pretty.

Yeah, they hate you for your freedoms. So hows that Boston Suburb house-by-house search police state thing working out for ya?

[heartbrand]

this is a legit thread don't shit it up with politics

[Reddi]

http://crazystupidpolitics.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kim-jong-un-family-guy-cartmen.jpg

[nilbog]

At an airport bar. Conference for a couple.days. Will give an update when I can.

[Handpartytowel]

At an airport bar. Conference for a couple.days. Will give an update when I can.

my indigo blue vagina is dripping in anticipation

[heartbrand]

http://mimg.sulekha.com/english/the-terminal/the-terminal_m.jpg

[Nirgon]

I'm not sure how simple adding single item loot is but.

Orange text and removing xp on death... gotta be a no brainer.

[Handpartytowel]

tbh i have come around on xp death. i think it could be left in as a sting for pvp death, but lessened 50+ so at 59 its like an hour max of xp to make up instead of an evening chain pulling seb.

[KabanazyTZ]

Clinton killed the economy, fyi~

Not sure if srs....

[Elderan]

tbh i have come around on xp death. i think it could be left in as a sting for pvp death, but lessened 50+ so at 59 its like an hour max of xp to make up instead of an evening chain pulling seb.

Agreed,

After being zerged in pvp on this server I really think there needs to be some penalty for such actions. Right now at least you know they are hurting for exp because they keep dying in pvp. Remove the exp loss on death they zerging will happen much more.

I suggest this.

1-45 there is no exp loss for pvp death.
46-60 3% exp loss, but ressable for 50% exp gain.

So basically reducing exp loss from 3-1.5%. This should deter some zergs that we know will happen a ton more when exp loss is removed. I think this would be a fairly balanced solution.

[Tradesonred]

Agreed,

After being zerged in pvp on this server I really think there needs to be some penalty for such actions. Right now at least you know they are hurting for exp because they keep dying in pvp. Remove the exp loss on death they zerging will happen much more.

I suggest this.

1-45 there is no exp loss for pvp death.
46-60 3% exp loss, but ressable for 50% exp gain.

So basically reducing exp loss from 3-1.5%. This should deter some zergs that we know will happen a ton more when exp loss is removed. I think this would be a fairly balanced solution.

Wait, this is a Nihilum saying Zergs are a problem, after spending like 1.5 years hardcore defending the terribad game mechanic because it advantages Zergs?

Thats nihilum shitting in its pants that it will now have to actually deserve the gear drops

Ok lets dissect this text over here.

So Xp loss removed is a problem because: This guy is getting zerged alot! So that means, if we beleive this bullshit, that dying alot to zergs means removing xp loss will be bad for the receiving end of Zergs. We all know its usually the zerging side that loses xp, so obviously removing xp loss in pvp advantages zergs!

Is this credible in the slightest?

[Faerie Blossom]

If this thread is any indication, we should probably just stop talking politics altogether :P

Xp loss seems like a good idea to prevent bindrushing, but I haven't seen it work well as a deterrent yet and I'm really tired of spending every night grinding back to 54 just to spend most of the next day back at 53 because of pvp.

[Tradesonred]

If this thread is any indication, we should probably just stop talking politics altogether :P

Xp loss seems like a good idea to prevent bindrushing, but I haven't seen it work well as a deterrent yet and I'm really tired of spending every night grinding back to 54 just to spend most of the next day back at 53 because of pvp.

Told ya 18 months ago, good to see you come around lol

[Faerie Blossom]

Told ya 18 months ago, good to see you come around lol

I really had no idea that it wouldn't stop people from bindrushing. There is something wrong with you people!

[Tradesonred]

I really had no idea that it wouldn't stop people from bindrushing. There is something wrong with you people!

Theres something wrong with the term bindrushing, thats like calling bicycles "2 wheeled deaths waiting to happen"

Theres such a negative connotation to the term bindrushing, where i see it simply as it was on Rallos, PVP.

The server pop will skyrocket if xp loss is removed, mark my words. Its a bit late now though because devs waited too long and we already lost like half the server pop since it was high a couple months ago. Its spring and im betting we lost most of these people for good till winter or velious gets patched, so i cant really say pop will skyrocket like i could have said it back in february, we will see how it unfolds, if thats the decision thats been taken.

Also, if they fix resists at the same time than xp loss, that will be quite a chuckle. Naked casters wont lose xp but there will be no chance in hell to root a twink, either.

You could make a compromise by leaving anything but 57-60 without xp loss, and keeping xp loss at high levels. But quite frankly, i dont trust the devs judgement to make a penalty that makes the server fun to play, so id rather they remove it altogether.

If i was running the server, id put xp deaths 57-60 at like 10 deaths (maybe more) = 1h of soloing dark blues.

[Elderan]

Wait, this is a Nihilum saying Zergs are a problem, after spending like 1.5 years hardcore defending the terribad game mechanic because it advantages Zergs?

Thats nihilum shitting in its pants that it will now have to actually deserve the gear drops

Ok lets dissect this text over here.

So Xp loss removed is a problem because: This guy is getting zerged alot! So that means, if we beleive this bullshit, that dying alot to zergs means removing xp loss will be bad for the receiving end of Zergs. We all know its usually the zerging side that loses xp, so obviously removing xp loss in pvp advantages zergs!

Is this credible in the slightest?

My point was this. With no exp loss what is the negative side for a group just throwing themselves into pvp with no real hope of winning, with the intention to annoy the other group?

Example 20 people are inside fear. 10 people outside they zone in pvp and die. Then just to be jerks they just bind outside and keep zoning in nuking people and dying. Since there is no real penalty for their deaths, what would prevent them from doing this?

It already happens with throwaway accounts. So remove pvp exp loss and it will happen a ton more.

[Tradesonred]

My point was this. With no exp loss what is the negative side for a group just throwing themselves into pvp with no real hope of winning, with the intention to annoy the other group?

Example 20 people are inside fear. 10 people outside they zone in pvp and die. Then just to be jerks they just bind outside and keep zoning in nuking people and dying. Since there is no real penalty for their deaths, what would prevent them from doing this?

It already happens with throwaway accounts. So remove pvp exp loss and it will happen a ton more.

Ok so your alternative to people guerilla contesting raid content underrostered, making fun pvp happen where there was little to be had before is to let nihilum (or the zerg of the month) sit on raid zones and farm gear for weeks with no pvp challenge because no one wants to eat the ginormous xp loss in pvp.

Gotcha.

Im gonna bet these types of players have never played Rallos and are on a different mindset. I see EQ mainly as a pvp game, with PVE on the side. Thats what Rallos was. These blue players expect to see little to no PVP alongside their main dish, which is PVE.

Im telling ya, if they patch xp loss, theres gonna be a big power struggle, the server is gonna become alot more fun (for most people) and faces are going to be rearranged and im gonna be re-installing EQ to get a seat in front row.

Blablabla grief this, blablabla grief that, im joining/forming a noob protection squad and ganking PKers with my strictly pvp alts on day one.

[hagard]

so many pussies on r99

[Nirgon]

Man... how did we ever successfully contest raid targets on Rallos without xp loss on death

[Elderan]

Ok so your alternative to people guerilla contesting raid content underrostered, making fun pvp happen where there was little to be had before is to let nihilum (or the zerg of the month) sit on raid zones and farm gear for weeks with no pvp challenge because no one wants to eat the ginormous xp loss in pvp.

I see you have some pre conceived notion about this and therefore are not willing to have any constructive comments.

Im gonna bet these types of players have never played Rallos and are on a different mindset. I see EQ mainly as a pvp game, with PVE on the side. Thats what Rallos was. These blue players expect to see little to no PVP alongside their main dish, which is PVE.

To each their own. I enjoy group/mass pvp and single pvp not so much. I guess I did not grow up playing call of duty on xbox in my young days.

Im telling ya, if they patch xp loss, theres gonna be a big power struggle, the server is gonna become alot more fun (for most people) and faces are going to be rearranged and im gonna be re-installing EQ to get a seat in front row.

Blablabla grief this, blablabla grief that, im joining/forming a noob protection squad and ganking PKers with my strictly pvp alts on day one.

Anyone who uses the word grief, in something they want to do to people then I have to question why they would be playing a group oriented game.

[Elderan]

so many mentally unstable people on r99

Fixed this for you.

[Tradesonred]

I see you have some pre conceived notion about this and therefore are not willing to have any constructive comments.

Thats what you said. "Whats stopping people from coming into fear and challenging us on raid content even though theyve got half our numbers?" Thats the whole point of removing xp loss in pvp and why it has to go.



To each their own. I enjoy group/mass pvp and single pvp not so much. I guess I did not grow up playing call of duty on xbox in my young days.

I was 5 in 1980 making my mom freak out by crossing the boulevard alone to play the Asteroids arcade game on a little bench because i wasnt tall enough to reach the controls. Put that in your "Shut up kid, the adults are talking" pipe and smoke it.



Anyone who uses the word grief, in something they want to do to people then I have to question why they would be playing a group oriented game.

Did you even fuckin read what i said? I said i was forming a guild to protect new guys from twink griefers... take off those clown shoes, son.

[Faerie Blossom]

Man... how did we ever successfully contest raid targets on Rallos without xp loss on death

From what I recall, there were no end-game PK guilds, and raid vs. raid pvp only happened on RZ once in a blue moon when he anti guilds got into disputes.

[Kraftwerk]

Did you even fuckin read what i said?

It's a safe assumption that he did not. Things you need to know about Elderan (aka why he is one of our more treasured posters on Red99 ForumQuest):

-He owns a business, don't forget this.
-He just wants to state the facts, that's all.
-He has achieved more in Everquest than you could ever dream of.

[Nirgon]

From what I recall, there were no end-game PK guilds, and raid vs. raid pvp only happened on RZ once in a blue moon when he anti guilds got into disputes.

From what I recall the head of SoE's customer service division had to become a full time head GM on our server because there was so much pvp, especially in Velious.

That ends today's history lesson.

There was NO xp loss on pvp death and raid mobs some how managed to be won or lost by either side.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

So much PVP for end of Kunark and all of Velious on RZ. 60vs60 fights in Temple of Veeshan and Dragon Necropolis.

[Nirgon]

Gyno let's get ready for all the cross teaming scum from the teams servers to tell us what pvp is.

My smile is ready.

[Faerie Blossom]

Gyno let's get ready for all the cross teaming scum from the teams servers to tell us what pvp is.

My smile is ready.

I really hope you're not referring to me.

[hagard]

Fixed this for you.

you are now included in this bunch of pussies
GJ

[Heywood]

Man... how did we ever successfully contest raid targets on Rallos without xp loss on death

[Faerie Blossom]

Who was fighting whom endgame RZ, anyway?

[SamwiseRed]

wish i had a life so good i buried myself in a 14 year old emulated everquest server for 6 hours a day.

[Nirgon]

Ascending Dawn (100 members or something towards the end) + MiM + Begotten

vs

The Peacebreakers (my guild, rather huge) + Facultas Utrimque (very small) + Ordo Malleus (very small) + Blood of Kings (very small)

[Blackbilly]

yea but Nirgon, you forgot when East Power showed up and Rodmantw destroyed 100+ members of both sides

[Faerie Blossom]

It's good to hear that RZ did endgame Velious right. That era was like the Golden Age of EQ, especially on PvP servers.

[Reddi]

sounds prosperous and glorious beyond anything I could imagine

[Nirgon]

yea but Nirgon, you forgot when East Power showed up and Rodmantw destroyed 100+ members of both sides

Now there's some names I remember.

Big Rodmantw.

[heartbrand]

bump

[Nirgon]

Hope Nilbog knows we personally like him a lot but we are foaming at the mouth for some classic pvp

[mostbitter]

Red server is desperate for some change that benefits EVERYONE not just nilly

[Elderan]

Red server is desperate for some change that benefits EVERYONE not just nilly

List one change that was made within the past 6 months that JUST benefits Nihilum?

[mostbitter]

roggeh, server resets, faction change to royals, charm change to raptors

[mostbitter]

oops i guess i over did it

[Elderan]

roggeh, server resets, faction change to royals, charm change to raptors

The first two have nothing to do with server change. The last two at least have something to do with things that were changed on the server.

- faction change to royals, this effected everyone equally. Everyone had to farm more faction to be non kos based on this change.
- change to raptors, pretty sure the code they added was no one could charm Raptors anymore not just Nihilum.

Private Function CharmCheck() as Boolean
If guildtag = "Nihilum" then
return true
else
return false
end if
end function

I am pretty sure this would have been caught.

[Nirgon]

There's no code in the human decision making process that causes those situations, Eldurfuckwitmagit

[Elderan]

There's no code in the human decision making process that causes those situations, Eldurfuckwitmagit

So what human decision is made that allows Nihilum to charm raptors and all others not to be allowed?

[Nirgon]

Hard one to explain to you but try sounding out the words and rereading it a few times.

The



human



decision



to hot fix



a change


and forget about




the lava crawlers and shit




in Lavastorm



that are in




the




same






patch





note






line








documenting





the








change.






Obvious






is







fucking








obvious.

[Elderan]

Hard one to explain to you but try sounding out the words and rereading it a few times.

The
human
decision
to hot fix
a change
and forget about
the lava crawlers and shit
in Lavastorm
that are in
the
same
patch
note
line
documenting
the
change.
Obvious
is
fucking
obvious.

So what part of this change was not applied equally? I am still trying to understand how this change did not happen to Nihilum as well as everyone else.

[Nirgon]

Get this man a helmet and be sure to child proof any sharp corners

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

he broke his last one, doctor

[Elderan]

Get this man a helmet and be sure to child proof any sharp corners

I am sorry if you cannot see how flawed your logic is.

All I see is much whining.

[Nirgon]

We must build the strongest helmet known to gods and men

[Elderan]

We must build the strongest helmet known to gods and men

Deflection

To direct criticism, attention, or blame away from yourself toward someone or something else

[Captivate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbl_Gqh0W0w

[Runya]

Blood of kings <3

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/guildlist.php?guild_name=blood+of+kings

[KabanazyTZ]

So what part of this change was not applied equally? I am still trying to understand how this change did not happen to Nihilum as well as everyone else.

Since we have to spell everything out for you. Nihilum was epicly raging that we took Faydedar out from under their noses and ranted for a week straight that we had to have cheated to kill Faydedar because we didn't have enough dps.

I even added a ton of bold, underline and italics to pinpoint the key parts for you eldermoran

[Elderan]

Since we have to spell everything out for you. Nihilum was epicly raging that we took Faydedar out from under their noses and ranted for a week straight that we had to have cheated to kill Faydedar because we didn't have enough dps.

I even added a ton of bold, underline and italics to pinpoint the key parts for you eldermoran

Let me tell you straight from someone who was there.

No one was ranting. We did leave it up though since we were busy doing other things.

We did wonder how it was killed and someone from your guild posted the logs. I parsed the DPS and we saw there was enough dps there to kill it but it was prob tight. The raptors did help but no one I can recall mentioned them as being key or should have been nerfed.

We just said we would kill it from now on once it was up. I never once heard anyone mention raptors should be nerfed during any of this.

Also I think since that kill Azrael has not killed a single Faydedar if I can recall, and it has not been for a lack of dps.

[Reddi]

Eldermoran need assistance:

The same live patch notes that nerf raptrs also nerf 2 other animal types to be unchamable. Those other 2 did not get patched with raptors on red.

This raptr charm nerf happened after faydedar was contested and after all Nihilum Druids were 60.

Then all non Nihilum Druids went to perma for last chance at exp and got unjustly banned with the reason being, "the charm pets were not attacking you," followed by, "root rotting is suspicious," forcing community uproar and bans lifted.

Now wipe the drool off ur chin, ur a big boy now.

[Reddi]

Hard one to explain to you but try sounding out the words and rereading it a few times.

The



human



decision



to hot fix



a change


and forget about




the lava crawlers and shit




in Lavastorm



that are in




the




same






patch





note






line








documenting





the








change.






Obvious






is







fucking








obvious.

[heartbrand]

I've been fucked by GM's here with both a Holocaust tag and a Nihilum tag dunno only speaking for me tho

[Reddi]

That's cus ur never going to be regarded as a Nihilum remember Nizzar and them will never trust you. Your just a means to more loot and play in their pockets.

[Andis]

That's cus ur never going to be regarded as a Nihilum remember Nizzar and them will never trust you.

thats when you know its bad...your own guildies dont even trust you

then again, its what comes to a person when one is a shifty jew

[KabanazyTZ]

Let me tell you straight from someone who was there.

No one was ranting. We did leave it up though since we were busy doing other things.

We did wonder how it was killed and someone from your guild posted the logs. I parsed the DPS and we saw there was enough dps there to kill it but it was prob tight. The raptors did help but no one I can recall mentioned them as being key or should have been nerfed.

We just said we would kill it from now on once it was up. I never once heard anyone mention raptors should be nerfed during any of this.

Also I think since that kill Azrael has not killed a single Faydedar if I can recall, and it has not been for a lack of dps.

Let me tell you straight as I was the most active poster from Azrael in that thread during that time frame. You guys repeatedly accused us cheating the encounter both before and after the logs were posted.

That in itself is some pretty heavy ranting and raging.

[Elderan]

Let me tell you straight as I was the most active poster from Azrael in that thread during that time frame. You guys repeatedly accused us cheating the encounter both before and after the logs were posted.

That in itself is some pretty heavy ranting and raging.

I heard no raging. Then again I rarely if ever hear raging in our TS.

BTW we just wanted your logs to get an exact kill time, and it worked thanks.

[fiegi 6.5]

r99 will go down as the shadiest box by far

[heartbrand]

for a guild that's the self declared pvp champs u guys sure cry a lot about pve shit

[Elderan]

thats when you know its bad...your own guildies dont even trust you

then again, its what comes to a person when one is a shifty jew

Heard you were the "peace *****" person? Confirm?

[Reddi]

I heard no raging. Then again I rarely if ever hear raging in our TS.

BTW we just wanted your logs to get an exact kill time, and it worked thanks.


We did wonder how it was killed and someone from your guild posted the logs. I parsed the DPS and we saw there was enough dps there to kill it but it was prob tight.

Your pretty pathetic if you brag about your EQ accomplishments and parse other people's logs.txt to add up the total damage done to a dragon.

[Yagebasto]

Heard you were the "peace *****" person? Confirm?

Andis, the white suburban gangstar

[Reddi]

He's actually an Italian jersey shore guido

[KabanazyTZ]

BTW we just wanted your logs to get an exact kill time, and it worked thanks.

Worked out great for you guys, considering the dragon didn't even respawn on the timer because of them patching raptors/chardok within the week.

Your pretty pathetic if you brag about your EQ accomplishments and parse other people's logs.txt to add up the total damage done to a dragon.

[Elderan]

Worked out great for you guys, considering the dragon didn't even respawn on the timer because of them patching raptors/chardok within the week.

Did not matter, we were going to be there the next spawn, and we know how that would have ended.

Lots of Azrael corpses

[Andis]

Heard you were the "peace *****" person? Confirm?

absolutely confirm

RIP to the fallen

[KabanazyTZ]

Did not matter, we were going to be there the next spawn, and we know how that would have ended.

Lots of Azrael corpses

At 3:30 am??? I doubt it. We would have had a 20 man advantage on whatever crew you were able to muster around that time frame.

[Heywood]

I heard no raging. Then again I rarely if ever hear raging in our TS.



Strydur confirmed constantly raging when you guys lost in pvp. Not hard to believe, since he was on the 'roids.

There's even recordings of Nizzar saying there's a lot of raging going on whilst getting boofed and ready for teh peh veh peh's.

[Yagebasto]

He's actually an Italian jersey shore guido

far worse

[heartbrand]

Can we just all agree that the two guilds here have drastically different time zones and because of this no matter what any reset will piss one side off and pvp in general will be lame?

[Feniggles]

Can we just all agree that the two guilds here have drastically different time zones and because of this no matter what any reset will piss one side off and pvp in general will be lame?

[Captivate]

He's actually an Italian jersey shore guido

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjB1ZKj7vAZ1faCfQnVnKvZQ6jcdDCf 4XiQiORd6lBrqWLQCQn

[Giovanni]

Also I think since that kill Azrael has not killed a single Faydedar if I can recall, and it has not been for a lack of dps.

Do you wear a suit and tie while killing sever repops at 2pm on Tuesday with 30-40?

[Faerie Blossom]

For 24 hours after every repop server should be split into hardcoded SZ teams.

[Platexchange]

Can we just all agree that the two guilds here have drastically different time zones and because of this no matter what any reset will piss one side off and pvp in general will be lame?

Reminds me of back on VZ, Defiant V Ancient Dawn, such a huge time zone difference competing usually involved which of the guilds were willing to poopsock for 12 hours after their bedtime to push raid mobs back on their time slot.

[Prince]

give me frog crown

[mostbitter]

bump

[Nirgon]

We had one of those good runs in bugs last I was there from big Kanras

We'll hafta see buds

I think 5% autoland can go and resists can be revisisted in the future but is a quick&dirty bandaid that would be amazing

OT (YT but going with Nilberg's terminology) small + easy

Resist adjust rate on skean to be more in line with other stuns (still check poison tho)

That should clear up almost all of the major bitch issues that are simple

[heartbrand]

bump

[big league chew]

u know he meant next weekend right??? get off his dick imo

the weekend after next i mean

[Nirgon]

Friday After Next