Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[bubur]

i dont see anything but personal reasons, immersion-breaking, and 'thats not classic'

these are valid enough reasons, but can they really justify giving the GM's more to watch over and police?

all this will do is clean up the trading forum because account trading will move underground. those with newly acquired chars will have to live in fear that someone will recognize their name and petition "NOT-CLASSIC, BAN"

this and banning trading between blue and red are in the same boat. both impossible to stop. you're only talking about banning it from the forums and asking players to send in a whole bunch of accusing petitions, most of which will be inevitably be false and misleading

ie more investigation for gm's to waste time on and less devotion to shit that actually matters like curbing RMT and 2-boxing, which are still big issues.

voted no.

if account selling is banned i will stop immediately, but its brought nothing but joy to me and my chars. i enjoy seeing the ghosts ive raised going off into the wilds on their own.

[xCry0x]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

[bubur]

btw if you just want to clean up the trading forum, maybe this poll should be:

"is it time to make an account trading subforum?"

[Uggme]

People enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

Here is where you are entirely wrong. It *IS* the place of some people to dictate game changes to affect how people play, and in relation, enjoy the game. There is an intended way of playing the game. Specifically, for this server to try it's best to re-create the classic EQ experience from 1999 - 2001. It's not an exact science, but it's one that all the developers and moderators are working towards constantly. Buying and selling accounts with excess plat to skip the time INTENDED sink was not in any of Verant's plans, nor it wasn't allowed. It was discouraged by the way the game operated back then innately (boxes and CD keys, bannable if discovered, against the EULA). It was also shunned by the overall community (Ebaying). It's clearly not a legitimate means of playing the game based on the way this server is supposed to be operating, as a classic experience

To say that they don't have the right to try and control how you play and enjoy the game is an utter lie. It's their server, it's their rules. They have even indicated that want to STOP account sales and WILL once they find an efficient way to do so.

Every game demands that you play a certain way. So does this one. Perhaps instead of constantly defending an already admittedly underhanded and not approved way of playing on the server, perhaps you should work WITH those who built this place and support how they want things to be.

[myriverse]

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.
In my heart, I'm an altaholic, who takes pride in leveling multiple characters that are (each and every one) emotional extensions of myself and wouldn't even consider selling.

The idea of buying someone else's character seems like buying someone's used underwear. Flithy.

[Lagaidh]

I voted no.

I have never traded, sold, or bought any account for any game I have ever played except for paying to play (like my subscription to EQ).

The reason I vote no is because of an effect I would see in Live that was quite normal. Players quit. They often left their toon to their guild. Or, quitting players might give the account to a real-life friend.

I know I am talking about giving accounts, and that takes a nasty wrinkle out of the argument, however; my opinion is that there cannot be concrete proof that platinum traded hands for the express purpose of transferring account ownership. If one can simply take that sentiment at face value, then I would submit that I'd rather the server staff not get into the business of interpreting intent when accounts change hands. There's plenty of things that I personally would rather see happen first. Velious for instance.

Just one dwarf's opinion.

I could be wrong. The staff may collect just the right kind of data that screams "account sold". If that were truly the case, then yeah, end account sales. I'd still like to see friends able to give their account to their guild or another friend... as has always been done.

[Lagaidh]

Who is going to miss the EC sellers spamming up the place? The same pussbags that whined when Sony put the bazaar in the game.

Heh. I'm a pussbag!

Bracing argument, by the way. You've shaken my world view with such compelling positions.

WARNING: OPINION INCOMING

Seems it boils down to this: Some folks see EQ as a place to have a community. Others see it as a single-player game with real spectators to oo and ah at their "accomplishments".

WARNING: OPINION COMPLETE

[Gadwen]

WARNING: OPINION INCOMING

Seems it boils down to this: Some folks see EQ as a place to have a community. Others see it as a single-player game with real spectators to oo and ah at their "accomplishments".

WARNING: OPINION COMPLETE

Not an opinion, this is just fact. Best post I have seen in a long time.

[chantersale]

prime example,

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=107273

I traded for a 33 warrior put all my existence of work into the character.

Cloak of Flames + Fungi + other good gear.

Turns out character was RMTed by 2 owners before me and BOOM lost everything I ever earned on P1999. Hope this is a good warning to you guys character trading will eventually cost you your entire existence.

[Nihilist_santa]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

So you would be OK if the server decided to grief you with trains and stuff every time they saw you? I mean there is no meaning in any of the actions in this game, your character has no meaning, they don't affect anyone else s enjoyment and we don't need rules to ensure that others don't ruin the server. We should all just play the game we want even if that game is train barkingturtle to hell and back. :confused:

[Anesthia]

if theyve leveled 1 2 3 4..some people here have legitimately levled 5+ lvl 60 characters. at this point if they just want to raid i think they have earned the right to just skip the leveling process if they want.

This is a sentiment that has been voiced from time to time by retail WoW players. Blizzard has responded by providing buffs/gear that effectively quadruple the experience rate in the best-case scenario.

This being classic EQ 14 years later, I would think that anyone who plays here would appreciate the time/effort required to achieve level 60. I voted yes because the removal of account selling would improve the quality of the player base and thus, the experience. Characterizing the necessary additional policing as burdensome and therefore undesirable is an attempt to hand-wave it away. Once efficient methods for enforcement are developed, the cost:benefit ratio will be advantageous.

Besides, if you want to fast-track the path to max level you can always go play on red. :cool:

[veejur]

It's about having a level playing field. If you can't camp epic pieces because a farmer is always there that isn't getting it because he needs it, but just to make money, that is not a level playing field. If mid class characters are passed on in groups because there are already 5 other twinks on the list at a camp that bought their gear with RMT purchases, that is not a leveling playing field.

MQ and account trades really are a problem for new players. I personally could care less what players who have reached 60, exploited bugs in the early patches of the server, and monopolize camps have to say about it. That's just like asking politicians whether they should be held accountable for getting free health care etc. Of course they are not going to want to lose an unfair advantage.

[Tecmos Deception]

It's about having a level playing field.

:rolleyes:

[Dirtnap]

Some people don't have the time to sit at one camp for hours on end, just a few hours here and there to level up. Used to be a great way for casuals to make money but screw them right? back to farming seafuries to try and save for that fungi. If only people could play the way they wanted....

not aiming at you just using fungi example =p

If people could play the way they wanted, I would be twoboxing right now.

This argument that account traders should be allowed to because they enjoy it, irritates me. This can be used as the same exact argument for two-boxing, and yet its not so vehemently argued.

[smokemon]

70% of the poll base says yes, ban this shit.

[raff01]

70% of the poll base says yes, ban this shit.

/thread

[webrunner5]

Banning Account selling is not going to stop RMT. Heck a CoF even a Fungi cost more than a lot of accounts sell for. So you would have to stop buying and selling period. Ain't going to happen. But I can see both sides of this argument.

The only down side to account selling I have seen is grouping with a level 60 that has NO clue how to play the toon in a group. And if it is the puller Oh Boy. :D Pretty much tells you it was just bought one way or the other. I am sure once in great awhile it is someones brother playing it though.

[Anderdale]

70% of the poll base says yes, ban this shit.

yeah but you bought Hustle :rolleyes:

[Rhambuk]

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

Halmir, I love you.

[Rhambuk]

If people could play the way they wanted, I would be twoboxing right now.

This argument that account traders should be allowed to because they enjoy it, irritates me. This can be used as the same exact argument for two-boxing, and yet its not so vehemently argued.

2boxxing would actually be detrimental to the server.

banning account sales merely removes a minor annoyance that "ruins" some peoples immersion. its not going to stop anything except the people that don't like it wont have to look at it anymore.

I'm just glad I don't plan on leveling up another char, fighting with powerlevelers for mobs was never really fun for me...

[porigromus]

I would like to see account sells/trades to end but how would they police something like that? Most of us have dynamic IPs I am sure and play from portable device such as laptops. I would like to see this end too but how would you do it?

If RMT could be ended as well permanently that would be nice too. Again though, how would they do it? I would love to see Nilbog and Rogean eventually customize this server to attempt to remove legit and illegit exploits. I know perfect will never be possible but I like to think of a possiblity of leveling the playing field as best as you can.

Issues I think could be prevented, but how is the question? Owning a quality server such as this and having the ability to customize it would be fun. Maybe they will just make another server and leave one untouched classic trilogy EQ and another the way they invisioned it.

- Powerleveling

- RMT

- Duping of Plat

- Character Trading/Selling

- Twinking

- Mudflation

- Poopsocking (Raids and Valuable Item Camps)

- Exploitation of game mechanics

[smokemon]

yeah but you bought Hustle :rolleyes:

I didn't buy Hustle, hustle is a real life friend of mine who stopped playing to focus on other things, facts before accusations! Hokkkay? Thanks :D

[Thulack]

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

And the issue with p99 is the ratio of #3's to everyone else. on live it was a lower % of #3 and also had new items(velious and other xpac) flowing into economy where as we don't here.

[Anderdale]

I didn't buy Hustle, hustle is a real life friend of mine who stopped playing to focus on other things, facts before accusations! Hokkkay? Thanks :D

Well your friend bought hustle then. Either way you would have no Hustle had account buying been banned.

[smokemon]

My friend didn't buy hustle, he leveled him from the start. I leveled with hustle and bate on smokemon. Both Hustle and Bate are brothers both my real life friends. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anderdale]

My friend didn't buy hustle, he leveled him from the start. I leveled with hustle and bate on smokemon. Both Hustle and Bate are brothers both my real life friends. You have no idea what you're talking about.

no i do know what i am talking about. I bought hustle when he was lvl 16 and sold him around lvl 34

[smokemon]

LOL O RLY? plz elaborate, I might give you credibility if you could tell me the Login name. AND if that turned out to be true, what you're claiming. I had no idea about it and it doesn't negate the fact i'm friends with both IRL and leveled with them till I quit back in june 2011'.

[veejur]

No hijacking here, none.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Banning Account selling is not going to stop RMT. Heck a CoF even a Fungi cost more than a lot of accounts sell for. So you would have to stop buying and selling period. Ain't going to happen. But I can see both sides of this argument.

The only down side to account selling I have seen is grouping with a level 60 that has NO clue how to play the toon in a group. And if it is the puller Oh Boy. :D Pretty much tells you it was just bought one way or the other. I am sure once in great awhile it is someones brother playing it though.

...Grouping what at 60? fungus is a 2 man camp, HS south is a 2 man camp, drusella is a 2 man kill, ragefire is a 2 man kill, crypt (JBB / Hiero) can be done by an enterprising shaman or a 2 man camp. You don't group shit at 60 :P Just hope you made one of the right classes for money making, eh?

What's even odder is most of these accounts can be picked up for 300-400k for a 60. Damn low when you realize you can make that in a few days at fungus or a few good rounds in hs south. Hell, ragefire can almost drop that once if you get the mythical double cof.

[Dirtnap]

2boxxing would actually be detrimental to the server.

banning account sales merely removes a minor annoyance that "ruins" some peoples immersion. its not going to stop anything except the people that don't like it wont have to look at it anymore.

I'm just glad I don't plan on leveling up another char, fighting with powerlevelers for mobs was never really fun for me...

The arguments for two-boxing and account sales are exactly the same. Less grouping, more PLing, more soloing, fun for one person but not others.

The only people who want account sales to stay in so badly are the people selling/trading the accounts. Newbies don't have the PP to be buying up accounts and removing account sales only effects the top level players who don't want to level up another character.

This results in less people leveling up which causes less people to group together, which causes more people to roll solo classes, which causes less people to group together, which repeats the cycle until people just quit from frustration.

TL;DR High end players already invested time and are more likely to stick around, newbies will see this fucked up cycle and split earlier than later. The high end players eventually burn out on the lack of more content / competition between guilds and quit.

EDIT: I forgot to add that there are so many high level accounts circulating around on this server, that people aren't leveling and selling as many characters as you think. They just get rotated around the server.

[Cfred0-]

Didn't read any of the comments but i believe by them stopping account sales will cause inflation up the asshole on everything else because these are what the high end plat holders use money on

[Swish]

Well, with my Financial Times braces and analysis glasses on... I'd say having a couple of 60 accounts bagged is as good an investment in terms of holding value as having a fungi/manastone/RBG/etc banked (as long as the accounts are 'clean')

[Anderdale]

LOL O RLY? plz elaborate, I might give you credibility if you could tell me the Login name. AND if that turned out to be true, what you're claiming. I had no idea about it and it doesn't negate the fact i'm friends with both IRL and leveled with them till I quit back in june 2011'.

godhand

need i say more?

[Cippofra]

Account sales also give very casual players a chance to make money. Lots of people play this game spending haf their time afk and just popping in once a while. This means they cant group, cant raid, and cant compete with the 20 players on the server that have anything worth looting locked down. Is it fair to take away the one and only chance these people, including me have of ever getting a single decent piece of equipment? Who has the right to claim that their way of having fun should be the only allowable method of playing?

[citizen1080]

EDIT: I forgot to add that there are so many high level accounts circulating around on this server, that people aren't leveling and selling as many characters as you think. They just get rotated around the server.

This has always been the case..I have brokered the sales of some accounts 2-3 times. As much as people like trying new accounts, its not the same as lvling it yourself. So they get bored..and sell it. Which imo is something they should be allowed to do. Doesnt hurt anyone. And i dont give two shits about someones immersion being ruined. Sorry =)

If you don't want to see it, dont log onto the trade forum. It is VERY rare that someone is spamming an account sale in EC tunnel.

[citizen1080]

Best sig yet swish

[webrunner5]

...Grouping what at 60? fungus is a 2 man camp, HS south is a 2 man camp, drusella is a 2 man kill, ragefire is a 2 man kill, crypt (JBB / Hiero) can be done by an enterprising shaman or a 2 man camp. You don't group shit at 60 :P Just hope you made one of the right classes for money making, eh?

What's even odder is most of these accounts can be picked up for 300-400k for a 60. Damn low when you realize you can make that in a few days at fungus or a few good rounds in hs south. Hell, ragefire can almost drop that once if you get the mythical double cof.

What the hell you call grouping. 6 people?? You are either drunk as hell or a idiot with your post.

300 to 400K Now I know you are a idiot.

[Hailto]

Honestly don't know how so many people are voting yes. XP is slow enough without the option to buy more characters once you have the plat to do so, who cares if people buy them?

[Faerie Blossom]

Who cares if people buy them?

The majority of us, it would seem :P

[Anesthia]

And i dont give two shits about someones immersion being ruined.

I don't think your ECquest immersion would be ruined by not being able to sell accounts openly.

[citizen1080]

I don't think your ECquest immersion would be ruined by not being able to sell accounts openly.

Account escrow and brokerage was my main money maker when i was active. I do understand not wanting to see account sales in EC..which I no longer do. But aside from that I don't see how it hurts anyone.

Whatever happens happens tho. My opinion doesn't matter regardless.

[smokemon]

It's absolutely asinine for people to come in here and say things like, "Why do you care about account selling? It doesn't change the way you play the game. Let people have fun and play the game the way they want."

This is simply not the case. The rampant buying and selling of accounts has major implications at all levels of the game, from casual to hardcore, 1-60.

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account
2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason
3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets
4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players
5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do
6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place
7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased
8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

Imagine P1999 as being a nice public park that people can come enjoy, hang out, have picnics, fly kites, throw footballs, etc... generally do whatever they want.

People defending account sales would be like if a bunch of rednecks drove into the park in 4x4s and started doing donuts in the grass and running over bushes and generally making a wreck of the place, and told everyone else to fuck off because, "I'm enjoying the park the way I want to!"

^^

[orsk]

The majority of us, it would seem :P

the majority of you are jealous haters.

[orsk]

Account escrow and brokerage was my main money maker when i was active. I do understand not wanting to see account sales in EC..which I no longer do. But aside from that I don't see how it hurts anyone.

Whatever happens happens tho. My opinion doesn't matter regardless.

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

[Faerie Blossom]

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

I just had to say lol, I don't understand what this means. And why are bluebies always so rude? :/

[Gadwen]

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

Account selling will become against the rules, it is just a matter of time here. This poll has nothing to do with it, staff has said they don't like the fact that it goes on and as soon as they can enforce a rule against it they will implement it.

If that is really going to drive you to quit, you may want to get a head start on the sleeper.

[Tecmos Deception]

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account

Reduces, does not eliminate (by a long shot).

Why are you equating reputation and bans anyways? Players can have bad reps without getting banned and vice versa.


2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason

Cheaters gonna cheat, regardless.


3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets

Raid scene is a mess, but ending account sales now won't fix it cause there are already a million accounts ready to raid spread amongst the raiding players. Plus the people who are hardcore enough to farm the pp to buy and gear multiple raid accounts are just going to level/PL them once account sales are banned anyway.


4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players

Right. Cause ANY of the people who had the plat to buy accounts and lacked the motivation to level a character themselves are suddenly going to do 1-60 in full groups in oasis with a bunch of untwinked newbies instead of leveling solo+twinked and/or getting PLed.


5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do

Not sure that this is exactly a problem, per se, especially not one that deserves staff intervention.


6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place

Maybe. I doubt you would know this. I suspect you're just speculating for the sake of another # on your list.


7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased

Those stripped characters probably didn't level to 50+ naked. So account sales simultaneously increase supply and demand for gear. You even say yourself that the gear is constantly being "bought and sold," yet try to argue that this is spiking demand. Also, again, this doesn't really sound like a problem, especially one the staff should get involved in dealing with.


8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

Community is what you make of it. If a person/group/guild is concerned that any random character they see is just an asshole player hiding behind newly-acquired pixels, then tighten up recruitment or something. And character/player identifies are only meaningless for the people who constantly flop into new characters (which they could do anyway, albeit by taking some time to level/pl instead of just hopping right into a new 50+ character... though seriously it takes like 1 day /played to hit 50 if you are serious about buying PL); those of us who play the same characters don't have transient/meaningless identities.




And yet again. I don't give a shit which way this goes, because I'll never buy or sell another account again. I just like to troll/argue/inspire people to find the truth by way of calling things into question.

[Tecmos Deception]

And why are bluebies always so rude? :/

A red player making a generalization about rude blues. My world has turned upside down!

[Faerie Blossom]

A red player making a generalization about rude blues. My world has turned upside down!

Bluebies have been rude since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure. Make a single thread or post that mentions pvp and they'll jump down your throat about how the game isn't meant for pvp and all red players act like children.

So it was during classic, so it is now, and so forever it shall be.

[Rhambuk]

Bluebies have been rude since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure. Make a single thread or post that mentions pvp and they'll jump down your throat about how the game isn't meant for pvp and all red players act like children.

So it was during classic, so it is now, and so forever it shall be.

I've yet to meet one decent red...

Also thanks Tecmos for taking the time to counterpoint that nonsense, since this poll and entire thread is meaningless in the end decision it just wasnt worth the bother for me.

[porigromus]

To combine the desire people have to end account sells and remove items/plat from the economy .... here is an idea.

Make a quest available on every guildmaster in every city that will allow a player to change their class IF they have the faction to speak to the guildmaster AND their race can be the new class they wish to be.

This would be an epic quest, requiring multiple items and a lot of plat to be turned in. If you wanted to be a warrior you go to a city and speak to the warrior guildmaster and get a quest. "So you wish to study the path of the Warrior? Please bring me 10 FBSSs, 10000 plat, and increase your faction with X to warmly". You get the point! Of course the warrior guildmaster will have to like you.

This will provide a way for a person to try another class and keep their current level and do it safely.

[Faerie Blossom]

I've yet to meet one decent red...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=WNHo7Qog7qU

[Rhambuk]

.......

[Rhambuk]

To combine the desire people have to end account sells and remove items/plat from the economy .... here is an idea.

Make a quest available on every guildmaster in every city that will allow a player to change their class IF they have the faction to speak to the guildmaster AND their race can be the new class they wish to be.

This would be an epic quest, requiring multiple items and a lot of plat to be turned in. If you wanted to be a warrior you go to a city and speak to the warrior guildmaster and get a quest. "So you wish to study the path of the Warrior? Please bring me 10 FBSSs, 10000 plat, and increase your faction with X to warmly". You get the point! Of course the warrior guildmaster will have to like you.

This will provide a way for a person to try another class and keep their current level and do it safely.

Horribly unclassic, but i like it!

[Swish]

There are some good folks on red ;)

[myriverse]

I've yet to meet one decent red...
In fairness, I've met a few decent people who like both.

[Rhambuk]

There are some good folks on red ;)

okay well there is swish..

[Clark]

Please let this whole nonsense stop. I feel the same way about multiquesting epics. IMO that should be turned off.

http://s16.postimg.org/nk6ziyd9h/524149_250254008452227_1996322969_n.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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242 yes
103 no

Lets do away with this bull shit already.

[Swish]

okay well there is swish..

Scratch the surface and get to know people there and most are nice people...just don't let the global ooc or R99 forumquest fool you into thinking they all have that scumbag LoL mentality.

There's R99, and there's the bullshittery that the server indulges in...the two are separable if you play there a while.

[Swish]

http://s16.postimg.org/nk6ziyd9h/524149_250254008452227_1996322969_n.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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lol :D

[Hailto]

Make a single thread or post that mentions pvp and they'll jump down your throat about how the game isn't meant for pvp and all red players act like children

Im pretty sure this happens because retards from your dead server continually come to the blue forums and try to recruit our players. It gets old after awhile.

[BlackTriad]

It's absolutely asinine for people to come in here and say things like, "Why do you care about account selling? It doesn't change the way you play the game. Let people have fun and play the game the way they want."

This is simply not the case. The rampant buying and selling of accounts has major implications at all levels of the game, from casual to hardcore, 1-60.

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account
2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason
3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets
4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players
5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do
6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place
7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased
8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

Imagine P1999 as being a nice public park that people can come enjoy, hang out, have picnics, fly kites, throw footballs, etc... generally do whatever they want.

People defending account sales would be like if a bunch of rednecks drove into the park in 4x4s and started doing donuts in the grass and running over bushes and generally making a wreck of the place, and told everyone else to fuck off because, "I'm enjoying the park the way I want to!"

[smokemon]

^^

[Dirtnap]

If you Forumquest, then you run in to the trolls from red and blue. Blue players act high and mighty when they post the same stupid shit the red players do.

You will find good people in-game regardless if its red or blue. You will however run into 10-20 shitbags before you find good people. (This has been my experience since launch.)

[Lagaidh]

If you Forumquest, then you run in to the trolls from red and blue. Blue players act high and mighty when they post the same stupid shit the red players do.

You will find good people in-game regardless if its red or blue. You will however run into 10-20 shitbags before you find good people. (This has been my experience since launch.)

I always try to remember that forums and in-game rarely match. I'd have to say though, in game, I run into far fewer shitbags it seems. In nearly three years on this server, with the same toon, I've only ever squabbles three separate times. None major...

[raff01]

Cheaters gonna cheat, regardless.

.

lol at that way of thinking ! ok then why not leave your house door open since burglars are gonna rob your house anyways?
You might as well commit suicide since you're going to die regardless.

[Dirtnap]

I always try to remember that forums and in-game rarely match. I'd have to say though, in game, I run into far fewer shitbags it seems. In nearly three years on this server, with the same toon, I've only ever squabbles three separate times. None major...

I hear this a lot, and wish I could play on the same server. I have the shittiest luck when it comes to finding good people on this server.

The only optimism I have, is that I'm lucky enough to catch everyone on their off day, and were in a bad mood. But that isn't realistic.

[August]

What's amazing about this poll is how in favor of getting rid of acct buying/selling. Look at most national (USA, sorry, I know not everyone is from 'murica) polls and you will see most split down at 50/50 - a 56/44 is DECISIVE.

This would be considered 'landslide opposition'. More than 2:1

[veejur]

Probably because any sane person who's playing the game accepting the grind knows it's against the spirit of community and fair play. I consider buying an account essentially cheating since you can lose your bad rep on a past char and it also opens the door for (and has been clearly abused) RMT.

[Hawala]

What's amazing about this poll is how in favor of getting rid of acct buying/selling. Look at most national (USA, sorry, I know not everyone is from 'murica) polls and you will see most split down at 50/50 - a 56/44 is DECISIVE.

This would be considered 'landslide opposition'. More than 2:1

qft

[Hawala]

5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do

8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless