Why would anyone start a new character on a server with RZ rules where everyone is 60

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

It amazes me that people wonder why the player base won't go up when it's self explanatory from the rule set alone.

If you make a new character, you're gonna be soloing from level 1-60. Who wants to solo a warrior or cleric to 60? You can't even PvP till 60 either since anyone you find is going to be a melee in a fungi tunic that just automatically wins. Overpowered, low level items like this were mitigated on SZ because you could just call in a level 60 to instantly kill the level 10 fungi tunic SK.

On SZ, there was plenty of grouping and PvP pre-60. You just go to a zone that your team controls and look for people. Occasionally (or usually), a level 60 would come and attack your full group of level 40's, but you could actually pose somewhat of a threat to them since the PvP code was changed so level gap didn't factor in to resists like it used to. Being able to kill level 1's also gives you a reason to visit lesser used zones, which causes high level PvP to happen in places instead of just Karnors.

None of that happens here, it's just a barren wasteland of no groups and no real PvP until you hit max level.

TLDR: wipe the server, change to SZ teams & rules (with good and neut combined if possible), re-release server with Velious open.

[Galacticus]

Just impose SZ rulset. If you dont get on the team you like just reroll. Promotes more low level groups.

[Crenshinabon]

Level 38 shaman here.
Playing for a bout a month casually.
OOC to see if anyone wants to group most nights for the two or so hours I play.
Find one or two people most nights willing to join.
A few nights I solo moreso when I find a better solo spot.
A few nights I have been pvping a few people of and on.
Mostly small skirmish pvp so far.

Having a ton of fun so far.
Its all how you choose to play bro.

Maybe you should actually try playing?

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

Level 38 shaman here.
Playing for a bout a month casually.
OOC to see if anyone wants to group most nights for the two or so hours I play.
Find one or two people most nights willing to join.
A few nights I solo moreso when I find a better solo spot.
A few nights I have been pvping a few people of and on.
Mostly small skirmish pvp so far.

Having a ton of fun so far.
Its all how you choose to play bro.

Maybe you should actually try playing?

First of all, it's a PvP server. It sounds like you log on, don't even attempt to fight people, and just ask around if anyone wants to group. Yes, this maximizes your chance of finding a group, but also minimizes your chance of doing PvP. It's counter intuitive to the purpose of the server.

You're trying to take the easiest road to 60 as possible. You play like a blue player then just try to defend yourself if anyone attacks. This shouldn't even be a valid choice for play style on a PvP server. You should be continuously forced to fight against another team or faction in order to XP all the way from 1-60.

[Terpuntine]

"The PvP artist formerly known as Wehrmacht/Tmoney"

You are bad at PvP anyways, so why do you care?

[Nune]

Someone give me a 2:1 plat ratio from blue and ill liquidate my accounts and roll Red

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

"The PvP artist formerly known as Wehrmacht/Tmoney"

You are bad at PvP anyways, so why do you care?

I don't even remember who this guy is, probably a 2nd string Heresy player, or maybe an INT caster that's irrelevant to the outcome of any fight that ever happened on any iteration of the server like Fishdicks.

[Miller]

I've been playing here again for a couple weeks. Had to stop playing for a while because I moved and my internet couldn't stay stable enough to play....

Server flourishing, there's pvp if you look for it and sometimes if you don't even. Server pop is small but enough to be interesting... GM's should really look at ways to improve population only issue I have with the server right now. Also nobody will giev me a manastone, that's another issue....

It's alot of the same people from various PVP boxes over the years, most people know/know of eachother. I played Lucid Vision PVP, VZ/TZ for many years, Vile's short lived (fun as hell server) and I recognize lots of names n'shit it's funny to see who's rollin with who though.

Hop on red99 and do it up, much funner than p99 blue and not too late to do big things..

I got some lowbie items and help newbs when I see them, hit me up if you want to come play can toss some plat your way + maybe a weapon to help leveling.

Windy
41 Cleric

[Nune]

First of all, you rolled a new character on this server, play casually, and seem to be enjoying yourself. I guess I'm just mad about pixels.

ftfy

[Nune]

I've been playing here again for a couple weeks. Had to stop playing for a while because I moved and my internet couldn't stay stable enough to play....

Server flourishing, there's pvp if you look for it and sometimes if you don't even. Server pop is small but enough to be interesting... GM's should really look at ways to improve population only issue I have with the server right now. Also nobody will giev me a manastone, that's another issue....

It's alot of the same people from various PVP boxes over the years, most people know/know of eachother. I played Lucid Vision PVP, VZ/TZ for many years, Vile's short lived (fun as hell server) and I recognize lots of names n'shit it's funny to see who's rollin with who though.

Hop on red99 and do it up, much funner than p99 blue and not too late to do big things..

I got some lowbie items and help newbs when I see them, hit me up if you want to come play can toss some plat your way + maybe a weapon to help leveling.

Windy
41 Cleric

Miller confirmed dying breed of Red99 + box vet
+1 to you sir

[Miller]

First of all, it's a PvP server. It sounds like you log on, don't even attempt to fight people, and just ask around if anyone wants to group. Yes, this maximizes your chance of finding a group, but also minimizes your chance of doing PvP. It's counter intuitive to the purpose of the server.

If it was counter intuitive to kill mobs for xp on a PvP server everybody would run around at level 1 slaying eachother with rusty bastard swords... This whole statement is generalized and not accurate for most of the playerbase. You can't discount the players that only like max lvl PVP or the people that enjoy twink PVP... Nothing wrong with that, it's their prefered playstyle.

You're trying to take the easiest road to 60 as possible. You play like a blue player then just try to defend yourself if anyone attacks. This shouldn't even be a valid choice for play style on a PvP server. You should be continuously forced to fight against another team or faction in order to XP all the way from 1-60.

Gaining xp shouldn't be a valid choice on a PVP server? I'm leveling a cleric and while I know it's possible to solo to 50, I'm not doing it (although I have soloed alot). The issue you're even getting at is lack of population. It has nothing to do with LFG on healers to XP. If the population was at blue numbers you would ALWAYS have competition for zones and that competition would resolve itself with PVP, don't get the two twisted...

Anyways,
Windy
41 Cleric LFG

[Miller]

Oh and another thing.
Probably 75% of the PVP happens at max level as it is, so rushing to 60 isn't doing anything but getting you in range to where the PVP is happening anyways...

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

Oh and another thing.
Probably 75% of the PVP happens at max level as it is, so rushing to 60 isn't doing anything but getting you in range to where the PVP is happening anyways...

If you play the server for what it's intended and randomly attack everyone, then you'll have nobody to group with and can't do anything. If you play like this other guy and ask everyone you see to group, then you're rewarded with less risk, easy leveling, faster xp.

It's not a PvP server if it punishes you for doing PvP and rewards you for avoiding PvP. Anyone with common sense knows SZ and TZ were always far more popular due to these reasons. FFA only works in games like UO where you can do everything in the game solo and never have to group once.

[Miller]

If you play the server for what it's intended and randomly attack everyone, then you'll have nobody to group with and can't do anything. If you play like this other guy and ask everyone you see to group, then you're rewarded with less risk, easy leveling, faster xp.

It's not a PvP server if it punishes you for doing PvP and rewards you for avoiding PvP. Anyone with common sense knows SZ and TZ were always far more popular due to these reasons. FFA only works in games like UO where you can do everything in the game solo and never have to group once.

FFA doesn't mean you have to or even that it's encouraged to randomly attack everybody. It's a multiplayer game; you make friends, you meet new people, you form relationships with people good/bad.

I'll leave it at that because the rest of your statement contradicts itself and I think you're just making up arguments in an attempt to troll at this point.

[Barkingturtle]

The reason you don't get more players is because so many of you are repulsive. It has less to do with the rules of the box, and more to do with your personalities.

[Miller]

The reason you don't get more players is because so many of you are repulsive. It has less to do with the rules of the box, and more to do with your personalities.

Sounds to me like you got griefed off the server is all... Most of the population isn't repulsive, although there are a few

[Shrubwise]

wipe the server, change to SZ teams & rules (with good and neut combined if possible), re-release server with Velious open.

LOL. Okay, sounds good. Thanks for your suggestion, guy.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

FFA doesn't mean you have to or even that it's encouraged to randomly attack everybody. It's a multiplayer game; you make friends, you meet new people, you form relationships with people good/bad.

I'll leave it at that because the rest of your statement contradicts itself and I think you're just making up arguments in an attempt to troll at this point.

You must not know anything about the history of RZ or Everquest PvP in general. Being a "random PK" was frowned upon there and they had anti-PK guilds and shit. What I've said has already played out in history on RZ. You were rewarded for avoiding PvP on that server and punished for taking part in it.

It was some weird server with a dysfunctional rule set that people wanted on here because they thought it would be "more hardcore", when in reality, it's not.

[Thulack]

All Everquest players got trolled when Verant released PvP servers. The troll is 14 years strong and going. Well RZ server on live has been a joke for 4+ years so really the troll lasted a good 10 years.

[Shrubwise]

If you make a new character, you're gonna be soloing from level 1-60. Who wants to solo a warrior or cleric to 60? You can't even PvP till 60 either since anyone you find is going to be a melee in a fungi tunic that just automatically wins.

None of that happens here, it's just a barren wasteland of no groups and no real PvP until you hit max level.

>>>>ITT disgruntled never-was
>>>talks about how things are on the server
>>doesn't play on the server.

Keep dat hate train rollin' pal. Hope you're holding your breath for a wipe lolz.

[Crenshinabon]

I would say that yes, random PKing is still sort of frowned upon because whoever you try to kill will probably hold a grudge. Thats why you find a guild.

FFA is not quite what it sounds like. I believe it is more guild vs guild than anything else.
If you roam around FFA attack everyone on site, of course no one will like you.

Find a guild with some pals, friends are always to be had and you get to fight other guilds for a reason.

[Splorf22]

So I think the OP makes a reasonable point: right now on this server there are so few people that no one wants to make enemies by killing one of the few people who might actually group with you. I found this as an enchanter and I imagine it would be even more true for an actual group-dependent class. So yes, I think the devs made a mistake in not hard coding teams. That being said, I don't think its possible to fix that particular issue without a wipe, which won't happen. So if I were a dev I would:

1. Remove PVP xp death penalty
2. Add pvp kill announcments (with guild tag) and global auction and remove global OOC
3. Revert to the classic resist system

[Nirgon]

Whole bunch of stupid in here

[SamwiseRed]

need full item loot and perma death to boost pop

[Shrubwise]

need full item loot and perma death to boost pop

[tomato king4]

blabla

same old threads

[Faerie Blossom]

We could try being nicer to one another, and the server noobs. Why does pvp have to mean grief?

[tehruoh]

We could try being nicer to one another, and the server noobs. Why does pvp have to mean grief?

some of these people get their fun from ruining your entire play experience.

id say 90% of them that do this live sad, pathetic lives and are here to take their anger out on unsuspecting newbies.

[fiegi 6.5]

yall missed the easy mode xp bonus + broken mage sword procs + no pet xp stolen if grouped with someone out of zone

i dont blame ya for not starting:eek:

[Doors]

Wormcheck play or fuk off worm.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

Wormcheck play or fuk off worm.

doors feelin rebellious, rebellin cuz his parents still listen to elvis

[Stasis01]

Since I'm in the box I thought fuck I'd like to play a monk sometimes - so I put my fungi/adamantite staff/staff of battle/rbb/hp rings/hbc etc etc and I could possibly not make it past 25.

I don't think it's about the journey at all - it's just really fucking boring.

just IMO

[Smedy]

stasis you got the free ticked out, a 2 week ban would probably result in me not coming back, wheres my fucking ban so i can end this miserable fuck of a game

[Stasis01]

Just got one more train to freedom.

Going to be a lord of the rings mountain situation tho dunno when the time comes if I'm strong enough.

[Faerie Blossom]

What was Stasis banned for?

[Tradesonred]

It amazes me that people wonder why the player base won't go up when it's self explanatory from the rule set alone.

If you make a new character, you're gonna be soloing from level 1-60. Who wants to solo a warrior or cleric to 60? You can't even PvP till 60 either since anyone you find is going to be a melee in a fungi tunic that just automatically wins. Overpowered, low level items like this were mitigated on SZ because you could just call in a level 60 to instantly kill the level 10 fungi tunic SK.


And once you get to 52, prepare to grind FAST (like real, super fast, a month or so, 6 hours a day? Its about the journey dude, enjoy yourself!) to 60 so you arent fodder for the ancients on the server already decked out in gear and be sure to evade all PVP with anything that isnt a total undercon because youll lose huge chunks of xp hindering your climb to 60.

Once youve done all this fun stuff and get to 60, expect fun filled nights of pvp that lasts a really small amount of time compared to the time youll have to put in PVE by dying a couple of time. This isnt call of duty bro, so get grinding!

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

What was Stasis banned for?

training

[Stasis01]

And once you get to 52, prepare to grind FAST (like real, super fast, a month or so, 6 hours a day? Its about the journey dude, enjoy yourself!) to 60 so you arent fodder for the ancients on the server already decked out in gear and be sure to evade all PVP with anything that isnt a total undercon because youll lose huge chunks of xp hindering your climb to 60.

Once youve done all this fun stuff and get to 60, expect fun filled nights of pvp that lasts a really small amount of time compared to the time youll have to put in PVE by dying a couple of time. This isnt call of duty bro, so get grinding!

I'd love to see an experiment where they doubled this exp rate, for all levels for a bit.

Shits a fucking broken resist code low pop emulator, no need to act like this is classic anymore is there.

People said this and that about the population since box opened - there's only one reason, and it's not Nihilum or azrael blah blah content blah blah it's fucking the brutal neckbeard grind.

[Stasis01]

training

Yeah everyone trains and plays dirty, but I got fraps'd with my hand in the cookie jar - it's all good though. Sirken could confirm I did not complain or bitch and took it like a man.

[Tradesonred]

I'd love to see an experiment where they doubled this exp rate, for all levels for a bit.

Shits a fucking broken resist code low pop emulator, no need to act like this is classic anymore is there.

People said this and that about the population since box opened - there's only one reason, and it's not Nihilum or azrael blah blah content blah blah it's fucking the brutal neckbeard grind.

They dont playtest the server, and they dont listen to the feedback the players give them. I tried steering the server in a direction that is fostering the pop of the server for something close to a year, makes pvp more fun so youll have fun pvping on the way up but to no avail.

Not only do they not listen to your feedback, the communication is dirt poor, they will almost never come out and say "Well, the rationale for the ruleset is this, or that, and what do you guys think, is it working, could we improve?"

Theyve got this ostrich with its head in the sand thing going on where because part of the population are fucking idiot trolls (and they are) it means they should ignore 99% of feedback that is posted on the forums and its a free emu, if you dont like it stop bitching and leave, which is what i did.

[Faerie Blossom]

And once you get to 52, prepare to grind FAST (like real, super fast, a month or so, 6 hours a day? Its about the journey dude, enjoy yourself!) to 60 so you arent fodder for the ancients on the server already decked out in gear and be sure to evade all PVP with anything that isnt a total undercon because youll lose huge chunks of xp hindering your climb to 60.

Once youve done all this fun stuff and get to 60, expect fun filled nights of pvp that lasts a really small amount of time compared to the time youll have to put in PVE by dying a couple of time. This isnt call of duty bro, so get grinding!

Heaven forbid anyone be at a disadvantage while working their way up in an MMO. Losing really sucks, and no one should have to put up with the humiliation of being killed in a PvP MMO, especially not for some lame reason like their opponents having spent more time leveling or accumulating gear.

Sirken could confirm I did not complain or bitch and took it like a man.

And that's the important thing, right? Training is a legitimate tactic unless you complain about the ban you receive.

Christ I feel uncharacteristically bitter tonight :(

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

isn't finding exploits what you're supposed to do in a beta

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Yeah everyone trains and plays dirty, but I got fraps'd with my hand in the cookie jar - it's all good though. Sirken could confirm I did not complain or bitch and took it like a man.

ya but pal you tried to say someone trained you :(

p.s. i am a bastion of cleanliness and would never train and/or exploit and/or hack

[Stasis01]

Heaven forbid anyone be at a disadvantage while working their way up in an MMO. Losing really sucks, and no one should have to put up with the humiliation of being killed in a PvP MMO, especially not for some lame reason like their opponents having spent more time leveling or accumulating gear.



And that's the important thing, right? Training is a legitimate tactic unless you complain about the ban you receive.

Christ I feel uncharacteristically bitter tonight :(

Not even kidding you're a retard - where do these people come from.

Sorry for lying colgate pal.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

it's okay stasis, i still love you

[Faerie Blossom]

Call me a crazy idealist, but I think it would be wonderful to see people here respecting the established rules instead of breaking them, lying about it, and then somehow expecting to save face by sharing with everyone the fact that you didn't pout when caught cheating.

[Stasis01]

Call me a crazy idealist, but I think it would be wonderful to see people here respecting the established rules instead of breaking them, lying about it, and then somehow expecting to save face by sharing with everyone the fact that you didn't pout when caught cheating.

I just wish you played here a bit before spamming the forums with your retarded babbling.

Eyes/ears open mouth closed.

[Smedy]

Christ I feel uncharacteristically bitter tonight :(

Welcome to Red99, this is what this shit does to you.

Pals jump ship, peoples hands are in the cookie jar and shit ain't ever classic

[Smedy]

Lying about training only to then later admit to it, damn, stasis, sunlight is what you need, that's a free fucking vacation dog and you attempted to screw it up? the fuck is wrong you with you bro

Is it really that much fun playing with nizzar, lamort & heartbrand

[Faerie Blossom]

I just wish you played here a bit before spamming the forums with your retarded babbling.

Eyes/ears open mouth closed.

Why is my "babbling" retarded? I'm here to learn, and I feel that I've expressed some fair points.

[Tradesonred]

Heaven forbid anyone be at a disadvantage while working their way up in an MMO. Losing really sucks, and no one should have to put up with the humiliation of being killed in a PvP MMO, especially not for some lame reason like their opponents having spent more time leveling or accumulating gear.

My point is that EQ end game is shallow deep, theres not much to it. If you played blue, its about getting new gear, starting another class if you got a lot of time on your hands, experiencing PVE content, thats it.

If youre playing PVP, then all there is more on top of that is to fight over camps, and "Call of duty-ing" it, having fun setting up ambushes in Gfay by hiding behind a big tree and jumping some random guy, things like that.

You misinterpret what im saying, im not saying that they should never die, im saying the death penalty is idiotic because it puts a huge deterrent to doing basically one of the only fun things in EQ: Mindlessly "Call of duty-ing" it up against other players because its kinda fun.

They should die over someone with more levels and gear usually, ideally with at least some chance of fighting back. But making them lose huge chunks of xp for fighting someone with those odds, when theres basically nothing to do in the game but that, is stupid.

Only fucking neckbeards with no lives or only care about griefing or is a blue dev that doesnt actually play the server / thinks of pvp as griefing that is best avoided (Solution: wait for it, make the pvp deaths more griefy) are incapable of seeing this, which is why its a low pop server with alot of neckbeards and griefers and devs who couldnt fix this box even if they were hit with a fixthebox stick.

Oh, and Harrison's back.

[SamwiseRed]

Yeah everyone trains and plays dirty, but I got fraps'd with my hand in the cookie jar - it's all good though. Sirken could confirm I did not complain or bitch and took it like a man.

ofc you took it like a man, you were caught red handed lol

all trolling aside, i hope one day we can mend our relation ship. you were up there when it came to stand and fight, dem pixels got your head all screwed up. its like nizzarr took your brain.

[Faerie Blossom]

My point is that EQ end game is shallow deep, theres not much to it. If you played blue, its about getting new gear, starting another class if you got a lot of time on your hands, experiencing PVE content, thats it.

If youre playing PVP, then all there is more on top of that is to fight over camps, and "Call of duty-ing" it, having fun setting up ambushes in Gfay by hiding behind a big tree and jumping some random guy, things like that.

You misinterpret what im saying, im not saying that they should never die, im saying the death penalty is idiotic because it puts a huge deterrent to doing basically one of the only fun things in EQ: Mindlessly "Call of duty-ing" it up against other players because its kinda fun.

They should die over someone with more levels and gear usually, ideally with at least some chance of fighting back. But making them lose huge chunks of xp for fighting someone with those odds, when theres basically nothing to do in the game but that, is stupid.

Only fucking neckbeards with no lives or only care about griefing or is a dev that doesnt actually play the server are incapable of seeing this, which is why its a low pop server with alot of neckbeards and griefers and devs who couldnt fix this box even if they were hit with a fixthebox stick.

Oh, and Harrison's back.

Oh, I see. Sorry; I thought your post was something other than your usual complaints.

The devs and GMs know how we feel about the xp loss. If it makes the game unplayable for you, that's fine. Stop wasting your time crying about it here, it gets old. Not even several month's worth of complaining from you will expedite the process, if there is to be one.

[Tradesonred]

our relation ship

Playing alot of eve lately?

[Tradesonred]

Oh, I see. Sorry; I thought your post was something other than your usual complaints.

The devs and GMs know how we feel about the xp loss. If it makes the game unplayable for you, that's fine. Stop wasting your time crying about it here, it gets old. Not even several month's worth of complaining from you will expedite the process, if there is to be one.

Thats another reason why the server cant take off, the dumb as bricks pop.

Inbreds dont need alot to stay happy, and they dont like your kind around here

[SamwiseRed]

Playing alot of eve lately?

lol, ya that and dark souls. cant play anything requiring a grind atm. aint got time for that.

[Faerie Blossom]

Thats another reason why the server cant take off, the dumb as bricks pop.

I'm sorry for being so mean toward you; you really seem nice enough. Hopefully they get the xp loss changes in so you feel as though you can justify playing with us.

I know I've been having fun :)

[Smedy]

Yeah, the server would thrive with level 60s bindcamping level 1-10s

You're a genius.

[Tradesonred]

I'm sorry for being so mean toward you; you really seem nice enough. Hopefully they get the xp loss changes in so you feel as though you can justify playing with us.

I know I've been having fun :)

Im sorry for being mean to you as well, im in a bitchy mood.

I am so very tired of hearing that fucking meme though where debating something, pointing out flaws, deconstructing something is labeled "Crying" its like a fuckin mental virus.

Im not sure how old people are sometimes on a forum, i guess i shouldnt be that harsh. Im sure i was as annoying when i was trolling that poor polish guy for 5 hours about being a hot russian woman making a car trip to poland to meet him on MIRC in 1998.

[Faerie Blossom]

Im sorry for being mean to you as well, im in a bitchy mood.

I am so very tired of hearing that fucking meme though where debating something, pointing out flaws, deconstructing something is labeled "Crying" its like a fuckin mental virus.

Im not sure how old people are sometimes on a forum, i guess i shouldnt be that harsh. Im sure i was as annoying when i was trolling that poor polish guy for 5 hours about being a hot russian woman making a car trip to poland to meet him on MIRC in 1998.

As a princess, I try very hard to express myself sincerely. I feel I have done so pretty well in this thread, but I haven't been understanding or compassionate in it because I, too, am in a bitchy mood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl19O7PtHXM

Almost every post you make is about the same topic: xp loss in pvp. And what you're doing is not debating. Not because you don't make any great points, and not because you're wrong; but because no one is disagreeing with you. Experience loss wasn't classic, and I feel it's failed here as a mechanic. This community needs no help from the devs to grief itself, unfortunately, and I have learned this first-hand.

You are 100% right about experience loss. I myself made a thread asking for it to be removed. The response we have received about it is that Sirken agrees with us, nilbog has voted on it, and we are waiting for Rogean to make his vote and implement whatever changes, if any, are to be made. With this in mind, it is not a prudent to spend anymore time discussing or trying to debate the topic. Things are in the hands of the developers now, and it's a bit late to be changing any minds. Whether experience loss is removed or not (I have high hopes), we can stop complaining about it.

The server is run freely for our amusement as sort of a hobby of these people. Unless you believe some of the conspiracy theories concerning RMT, this server is almost like a gift that the devs have given us. Many people seem to forget this, and demand things in a modern sense, which means they feel upset when not force-fed instant gratification. If I were a dev here, I wouldn't feel very motivated to make changes for the pvp community either, and that's not taking into account whatever other obligations these people have (jobs, families, etc.). Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but oftentimes the opposite is true. A little politeness and sympathy can go a long way.

[Tradesonred]

Its not debating, but its pointing out flaws and picking apart whats wrong with server. I do repeat myself alot, but i think its for the good of the server. I must admit i dont think server will ever change and im just takin cracks at easily fixable flaws out of spite because its not something that would take rogean alot of time investment to fix, and hes not doing it. Emu might be free but people put alot of time in their characters, something devs should give at least a small amount of shit for.

On the other hand im eating doritos with an avocado with mayo on top, a "whats left in the house to eat" experiment which turned out not bad at all.

There, i said something new.

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl19O7PtHXM


This song symbolizes the oppression that envelopes an EQ PvP server not running SZ rule set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facgVZuGzRo

Fight against the persecution, Faerie. Release yourself from the cage . Fly high lesbian seagull.

[Gel Mibson]

to OP: why in the world would you want to nuke africa? they got enough problems...

[kotton05]

I can't imagine why nuke Africa over Korea or the Middle East but what ever.

I got 99 problems but leveling on red isn't 1!

[Nirgon]

This Arzak thing is going way too far

[Onry]

I just started playing on this server last weekend. I have very little play time and am anything but hardcore yet I'm enjoying myself. My little shaman just hit level 9 and a super nice guild picked me up on a whim while I was bashing frogloks at the entrance to Guk. For me it is all about nostalgia. Sure I'd love it if there was more low level PvP but opening it up so people at the cap can gank lowbies isn't the answer.

We should be pimping this server to our friends to bring them over. We should be making a strong case for why PvP is fun to our friends on the P1999 blue server. Hell we could make things interesting by having new character pvp seasons. Bring all the guilds together to agree to roll new toons for a month. Sure there is no way to enforce this stuff and some people will probably be dbags about it and twink the shiz out of their toons and/or OOR heal their lowbie guildmates for pvp LAWLS but those sort of things are inevitable and tend to sort themselves out anyhow since those individuals create a reputation for themselves.

Anyhow... I don't know I'm just spitballin here. I definitely think something like the above would be more conducive to increasing our numbers and fostering more low level PVP than simply opening up the pvp brackets to all levels.

[Faerie Blossom]

Its not debating, but its pointing out flaws and picking apart whats wrong with server. I do repeat myself alot, but i think its for the good of the server. I must admit i dont think server will ever change and im just takin cracks at easily fixable flaws out of spite because its not something that would take rogean alot of time investment to fix, and hes not doing it. Emu might be free but people put alot of time in their characters, something devs should give at least a small amount of shit for.

On the other hand im eating doritos with an avocado with mayo on top, a "whats left in the house to eat" experiment which turned out not bad at all.

There, i said something new.

Avocado is one of my favorite foods. Sometimes I just cut one open, remove the seed and eat it with a spoon, but it goes so well on everything otherwise. I hope you enjoyed your discovery lol.

[Nirgon]

Classic EQ worked because time lines were preserved, exploitable mechanics were unknown or just didn't exist in almost every case.

Of course joining a server with an extended Kunark timeline is going to be rough.

Isn't that common sense? But by this stage of the game one would hope you'd be proficient enough to analyze the xp group demographics (or lack their of) and plan accordingly.

Or just cry about it.

Try to realize this isn't WoW where you can't kill people and take their things (well, sort of on this server) and there aren't barriers that prevent you from communicating in game with enemies.

[Tradesonred]

Classic EQ worked because time lines were preserved, exploitable mechanics were unknown or just didn't exist in almost every case.

Of course joining a server with an extended Kunark timeline is going to be rough.

Isn't that common sense? But by this stage of the game one would hope you'd be proficient enough to analyze the xp group demographics (or lack their of) and plan accordingly.

Or just cry about it.

Try to realize this isn't WoW where you can't kill people and take their things (well, sort of on this server) and there aren't barriers that prevent you from communicating in game with enemies.

Thats partly what i dont like about the server, youve got neckbeards like Nizzar whove been playing forever who know the ins and outs of every class, something that a new player has to learn in order to become good in pvp, whos gonna come at your naked noob ass decked out in dragon gear.

Theres alot of trial and error, and trying stuff burns you hard with the xp loss. Getting killed over and over by hard twinks in order to learn what works and what doesnt in pvp, running back to your corpse repeatedly should be punishment enough for new people figuring out the game.

Theres rough and then theres stupid.

[Nirgon]

You seen Nizzar 1v1 Colgate any time sir? Not a good example.

And yes, xp loss is stupid to have.

[Tradesonred]

You seen Nizzar 1v1 Colgate any time sir? Not a good example.

And yes, xp loss is stupid to have.

Well then youre one of the guys im talking about thats eating noobs for breakfast and spitting em out of the server faster than server can recruit more by default because of xp loss, congrats.

Nizzar is one of the few people that can kill me on the regular if he gets the jump on me (on his stunning char, cant remember name) because he stuns/pushes me out of gating and got little zergs swarming around him at all times, hes not that bad of a player.

[Faerie Blossom]

Red players shouldn't be so down about thing all the time. Getting killed in 3 seconds by 2 60s as a 52 that finds themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time is nothing to quit the server over. Experience loss is pretty lame sure, but one unlucky death every now and again won't kill a person (get it?). At my level a pvp death is 2-3% of my exp bar, and that takes like 10 mins to get get back. The big problem I see with the exp loss is bindcamping, not regular pvp.

The system would work if people didn't abuse it, especially considering we have a bonus to exp here.

[Reddi]

I prefer FFA because real life is FFA. EQ is real life.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Thats partly what i dont like about the server, youve got neckbeards like Nizzar whove been playing forever who know the ins and outs of every class, something that a new player has to learn in order to become good in pvp, whos gonna come at your naked noob ass decked out in dragon gear.

Theres alot of trial and error, and trying stuff burns you hard with the xp loss. Getting killed over and over by hard twinks in order to learn what works and what doesnt in pvp, running back to your corpse repeatedly should be punishment enough for new people figuring out the game.

Theres rough and then theres stupid.

nizzar knows the ins and outs of auto ducking to gypsy tents and cacti in freeport

[Nirgon]

Lulled good imaging above scenario.

And Trades I dunno how your reply has anything to do with quoting me.

[Tradesonred]

Lulled good imaging above scenario.

And Trades I dunno how your reply has anything to do with quoting me.

Oh ok, thats unfortunate

[mostbitter]

ecoli is a moron, it's a shame he is the crusader against exp loss in pvp because I knew it was going to be bad before the server even went to beta and I've hated the mechanic the whole time. Also keep in mind the dude quit the game because the first fungi he saw wasn't handed to him on a silver platter.

[Tradesonred]

ecoli is a moron, it's a shame he is the crusader against exp loss in pvp because I knew it was going to be bad before the server even went to beta and I've hated the mechanic the whole time. Also keep in mind the dude quit the game because the first fungi he saw wasn't handed to him on a silver platter.

Theres another crusader here, and its maximilien. He knows what he did was shitty deep down, so he compensates by taking the offensive and trying to paint me in a bad light any chance he gets. Its jungian psychology, look it up sometime, the shadow self, where you get taken over emotionally because youre not able to take a hard honest look at the mean parts inside you.

I quit for a combination of reasons, of which one was being denied, for the 2nd time a fungi to a greedy ass group, it was the final nail in the coffin.

The main reason i quit though, contrary to what maximillien thinks it is, is because i was not having fun. Im not playing a game to get bored the fuck out.

Nostalgia wore off because its not the same game that I was playing back on Rallos, because of xp loss in pvp. Devs entrenched in their position that regularly happening pvp is grief (which looks like it might maybe whothefuckknows be changing, at the pace of time it took for them to figure out that xp loss is a terribad idea, i wouldnt hold my breath for a fix before the next 2 years) so i took off.

But hey, if thinking i quit because u got the fungi i clearly didnt deserve makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, im not going to try to stop ya.

[SamwiseRed]

Ecoli come back to eve :)

[Tradesonred]

Ecoli come back to eve :)

ehhh its spring dude, girls outside, protests, getting beat up by cops, all that good stuff.

<3 Montreal

Maybe ;)

[Tradesonred]

In Jungian psychology, the shadow or "shadow aspect" may refer to (1) the entirety of the unconscious, i.e., everything of which a person is not fully conscious, or (2) an unconscious aspect of the personality which the conscious ego does not recognize in itself. Because one tends to reject or remain ignorant of the least desirable aspects of one's personality, the shadow is largely negative. There are, however, positive aspects which may also remain hidden in one's shadow (especially in people with low self-esteem).[1] Contrary to a Freudian conceptualization of shadow, therefore, the Jungian shadow often refers to all that lies outside the light of consciousness, and may be positive or negative. "Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is."[2] It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts,[3] which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.

According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to projection: turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Jung writes that if these projections are unrecognized "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object--if it has one--or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power." [4] These projections insulate and cripple individuals by forming an ever thicker fog of illusion between the ego and the real world.

From one perspective, 'the shadow...is roughly equivalent to the whole of the Freudian unconscious';[5] and Jung himself considered that 'the result of the Freudian method of elucidation is a minute elaboration of man's shadow-side unexampled in any previous age'.[6]

Jung also believed that "in spite of its function as a reservoir for human darkness—or perhaps because of this—the shadow is the seat of creativity.";[7] so that for some, it may be, 'the dark side of his being, his sinister shadow...represents the true spirit of life as against the arid scholar'.[8]

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Admins should sticky this shit on top of the forum

[mostbitter]

Ecoli friend you seem quite perturbed

[Tradesonred]

http://i.imgflip.com/1b8we.jpg

Yes, thats my final answer

[Tradesonred]

Hes got his eyes closed, nananana i cant hear you, get it.

[mostbitter]

It is spelled Maximilien

[Tradesonred]

It is spelled Maximilien

Now you know how much of a fuck i give about all this ;)

[Etorryn]

I started fresh with a monk. Kunark weapons can be really cheap which makes soloing easy. If you can't get a few hundred pp by your teens than I dunno what to tell you.

[Knuckle]

It amazes me that people wonder why the player base won't go up when it's self explanatory from the rule set alone.

If you make a new character, you're gonna be soloing from level 1-60. Who wants to solo a warrior or cleric to 60? You can't even PvP till 60 either since anyone you find is going to be a melee in a fungi tunic that just automatically wins. Overpowered, low level items like this were mitigated on SZ because you could just call in a level 60 to instantly kill the level 10 fungi tunic SK.

On SZ, there was plenty of grouping and PvP pre-60. You just go to a zone that your team controls and look for people. Occasionally (or usually), a level 60 would come and attack your full group of level 40's, but you could actually pose somewhat of a threat to them since the PvP code was changed so level gap didn't factor in to resists like it used to. Being able to kill level 1's also gives you a reason to visit lesser used zones, which causes high level PvP to happen in places instead of just Karnors.

None of that happens here, it's just a barren wasteland of no groups and no real PvP until you hit max level.

TLDR: wipe the server, change to SZ teams & rules (with good and neut combined if possible), re-release server with Velious open.

sad but true, mostly because you can't two box. I thought the one box idea was great untill you consider trying to enjoy the game without having someone play catcher for your melee.

[Malevz]

No.

[heartbrand]

I never thought disallowing two boxing on red made any sense. Unfortunately, like many other things, this a kind of a "take it or leave it" project, you're in their world now on p99 and if you don't like it you can play somewhere else or something.

[SamwiseRed]

I started fresh with a monk. Kunark weapons can be really cheap which makes soloing easy. If you can't get a few hundred pp by your teens than I dunno what to tell you.

will be in nilly in 2 weeks.