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Genedin
04-20-2013, 02:20 PM
I've decided to make a cleric in an attempt immerse myself in the community/guild scene.
I only have a couple hundred plat I managed to farm on my Necro.


I assume that the most important thing to spend it on would be a main hand to help me get past the early solo levels. What is going to be the best choice?

Kieu
04-20-2013, 03:06 PM
There are quite a few that you could get around 200-300, but if you want to go a bit cheaper to have some extra plat for spells/whatever else. I'd get a Sharkbone Warhammer. 8/26 +5 wis, costs around 50-100 depending on the person.

Other than that, you can take a look at this to compare other weapons if you happen to have trouble finding that one. http://wiki.project1999.org/Special:ClassSlotEquip/Cleric/1H_Blunt

LiQuid
04-20-2013, 03:08 PM
Jade Mace or a Smoldering Brand

Jammeson
04-20-2013, 03:09 PM
Wraith Bone Hammer is really good starter weapon and is going to be cheap or free(if you are lucky). I was able to get almost 200 wis on my 21 cleric(My first character on the server) in under 2kplat. So there are deals to be had for some decent items if you are patient and use the wiki to gauge whether people are trying to rip you off.

Genedin
04-20-2013, 03:22 PM
Good deal thanks!

Swish
04-20-2013, 03:34 PM
Free +5 or +6 wis mace from a ghoul in kithicor that paths near the WC zoneline at night.

Forget the name, but you can't argue with free :p

Genedin
04-20-2013, 03:39 PM
My Necro is only 31 you think I can take em?

Swish
04-20-2013, 03:42 PM
My Necro is only 31 you think I can take em?

He'll be quite resisty, think he's 35ish. Never tried him as a necro... might want a 40ish friend there just to make sure.

Pull him into the corridor to the zone, snare/fear, and the rest should be clockwork - he's definitely a caster so best done that way :)

smokemon
04-21-2013, 12:51 AM
That is a good weapon to have!

Vega
04-21-2013, 02:03 AM
Free +5 or +6 wis mace from a ghoul in kithicor that paths near the WC zoneline at night.

Forget the name, but you can't argue with free :p

I'll argue with it :P I thought the same thing when I was making an alt cleric, so I camped this with my bard. About 8 kills and a couple night cycles later, I just decided to say f-it and bought a Springwood Club. Unless you're feelin lucky (or it's possible I was unlucky) just farm a little plat and buy somethin. When you upgrade you'll atleast be able to resell.

Also, think about what you're lookin for in a weapon. If you just want a mana pool for grouping, then by all means look at +wis items. If you care about soloin some stuff, listen to liquid. Water Sprinkler of the Forgiven is also a decent ratio for a budget.

koros
04-21-2013, 04:29 AM
As far as +wis items go, it's almost irrelevant. The number of situations where you having the +10-30 mana or so from it are going to be so few and far between, it's essentially silly to worry about. From 1-13 or so, a decent ratio weapon might be better than medding, in which case, smoldering brand is a solid (and cheap) choice.

Swish
04-21-2013, 10:30 AM
People will argue with this as well, and by all means :)

Chances are by L12 or so, if you're grouped, you won't be standing up to swing your weapon. A lot of new clerics (particularly in CB) seem to want to keep on top of their 1h blunt skill rather than meditate. Can't knock new clerics for trying to play the way they want to play but the best clerics are the ones that are always sat unless they're casting spells :) If you want to play a battle cleric, the paladin is always there :D

I think my 1h blunt is about 50-60, and I've never had a shock moment where I thought it should be nearer to 200...keep pushing your wisdom towards 200 :p

jijii
04-21-2013, 11:27 AM
It's the same with every class. For leveling up get 5/55 rings and a decent ratio wep first.

webrunner5
04-21-2013, 11:49 AM
I am not too sure having a ton of wis and mana are really a great goal on here anymore. My Druid has so much mana it is scary. And ok I can quad well with that much solo but in a group as a healer or a DPS with DD and Dots I think it is a false security. All that really happens is ok you can heal or DPS longer but guess what with human nature the way it is you just want to get back to full mana to feel secure as a healer. So you tell the group you are oom or low on mana and every sits or waits for 8 minutes till you are full mana.

The trouble with that is people say ok and go pee or REALLY walk their dog or get a beer etc. and it breaks the flow of pulling. I am not saying don't have a reasonable amount but only having to wait 4 minutes versus 7 minutes seems to keep the group going more non stop. And it has been my experience that at times when a group has a big pause someone makes a decision that they need to leave. A RL instance.

The trouble with my above statement is it is more directed at being the healer as a Druid. A Cleric once they get CH is a LOT better at healing plain and simple. And yeah Shaman gets Canni. But all healer classes run oom even with Crack.

I guess the whole gist of this is I don't care how much mana items or wis you have you are still going to be oom at some point in time. Don't lose a lot of sleep about not being a total twink as a healer. :D

Genedin
04-21-2013, 07:43 PM
i got springwood club and bought some plate for AC, figureed im more of a meele char lvling up anyway

Swish
04-21-2013, 09:47 PM
...figureed im more of a meele char lvling up anyway

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http://i.imgur.com/ZUgZr.gif

Genedin
04-22-2013, 11:21 AM
Don't mock me swish.

Getting buffs in EC tunnel and meeling the zone is much faster then sitting around casting on stuff. Once I get past that easy exp area I will of course no longer meele.

skipdog
04-22-2013, 11:37 AM
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http://i.imgur.com/ZUgZr.gif

The OP is clearly asking if his suspicions are correct, in that his first weapon should be one with a good ratio, to help with soloing the first early levels.

Some helpful folks have posted that they agree, and that a great ratio is key for making the initial levels quicker.

All you've done in this thread is show that you didn't even read the OP or that you can't comprehend how having a good weapon for the first levels really speeds them up. You aren't being helpful in any way.

OP, I'd also recommend a Sharkbone Warhammer or maybe even splurge for a Springwood Club which has a slightly better ratio and is still relatively cheap. The kithicor mace has a poor ratio and would be a waste of time to attempt to acquire. It certainly wouldn't help much for those initial levels. Your time would be better spent just making money and buying what you'd like.

Swish
04-22-2013, 11:43 AM
OK maybe I came across with a bit too much melodrama, but when I started my cleric in Nektulos... by level 6-7 I was at the undead obelisk nuking the crap out of undead.

If you're soloing I'd try and invest in your mana pool long term versus having a weapon to hit slightly harder with for the first 10 levels. I've grouped with some clerics on my SK who refuse to sit down and med, and suddenly they're oom and we're sat around waiting for him to get his mana back.

The point I'm trying to make, obviously missed, was that to be an efficient cleric in a group you'll need to confine yourself to meditating (when you get past orc 1 etc).

If that's not for you, a cleric might not be the way forward...because watching health bars is 90% of what you'll be doing from Unrest onwards.

Good luck with Genedin, obviously with buffs you can do more solo...I play off peak a lot of the time and there weren't so many EC bots sitting around when I was levelling.

Genedin
04-22-2013, 11:46 AM
and the other 10%.........GEMS GRAND MASTER

I wasn't taking you too seriously. I havent played this game in a very long time but i still remember the concepts enough not to be a retard and try to be a battle cleric lol.

Swish
04-22-2013, 11:49 AM
and the other 10%.........GEMS GRAND MASTER

I wasn't taking you too seriously. I havent played this game in a very long time but i still remember the concepts enough not to be a retard and try to be a battle cleric lol.

Haha, well they do exist...its hard to say something in game, don't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment :p

webrunner5
04-22-2013, 04:01 PM
You have to be one hell of a Twink on here to be a Battle Cleric. Wrathbone Hammer is sometimes free in the Tunnel. I know I have probably given away 25 of them. No, sorry I have no more and don't go to CoM anymore. Pretty much just stay in EC and run back to the tunnel for buffs solo till like 10 and then start grouping the rest of the way. Even in Unrest hard to solo without good gear. So damn many Social mobs there and trains.

Like Swish said you pretty much sit on your butt the whole game as a Cleric. And get very little loot. Its a great class but not for everyone.

Mxsilverhammer
04-22-2013, 09:00 PM
I just picked up a Sharkbone Warhammer for 100P pretty pleased with it. 8/28 with +5 Wis. Although my early success at going toe to toe with mobs is starting to dwindle.

Corpemen
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Splorf22
04-22-2013, 09:29 PM
It's the same with every class. For leveling up get 5/55 rings and a decent ratio wep first.

this man telling it like it is.

I would also add that the caster itemization for classic eq is horribly bad. If stuff made your buffs last longer or your nukes more efficient or your dots tick for more damage or your spells cast faster, it would actually matter. But for grouping an additional 25% mana won't make that much of a difference. So don't worry about it and level up to 46, then join a guild and get planes gear and your (extremely easy) epic that everyone wants to help with for a chance at a CoF. Epic+Full purple+Supple Scale Armband+Full Sky+black sapphire jewelry+5AC/55HP rings+cheap stuff in other slots will give you a cleric that's 95% as good as a BiS one like Elethia for 20k spent.

Swish
04-23-2013, 08:56 AM
But for grouping an additional 25% mana won't make that much of a difference. So don't worry about it and level up to 46, then join a guild and get planes gear and your (extremely easy) epic that everyone wants to help with for a chance at a CoF. Epic+Full purple+Supple Scale Armband+Full Sky+black sapphire jewelry+5AC/55HP rings+cheap stuff in other slots will give you a cleric that's 95% as good as a BiS one like Elethia for 20k spent.

A deeper mana pool on a cleric can mean a group's survival over a wipe when shit is looking shaky, its an extra CH and then some if we're going by the 25% thing.

If your cleric is a dark elf (not sure about other races), look at the purple armor and then look at the cultural armor... there's no comparison there, cultural will set you free :)

Vega
04-23-2013, 09:39 AM
A deeper mana pool on a cleric can mean a group's survival over a wipe when shit is looking shaky

Says the guy who solo'd his cleric to 53 :P

Swish
04-23-2013, 09:43 AM
Says the guy who solo'd his cleric to 53 :P

Haters hatin' :P

Within that I did some some duo work as well as a bunch of groups in Unrest/MM/Sol B and KC on the way up to 56.

Enough soloing to write a guide that anyone who wants to exclusively solo can do so, but that doesn't mean I have some anti-group mentality :)

KC is a prime example of needing a deep mana pool if you've got a below average puller or repops and no CC'er. Pro clerics stun any adds and move them away from the group and root them ghetto style if the DPS means that the first mob in the bunch isn't going to drop for 20-30 secs. Mana saved because you or the backup healer hasn't got to patch heal so much. Say what you like, a deep mana pool gives you more options/versatility.

Genedin
04-23-2013, 11:30 AM
Made a DE for this hide, oh nooooesss. hah

Swish
04-23-2013, 11:49 AM
Hide will still be useful after the patch, with IVU up you can still cover both, right?...and DE clerics look twice as awesome in plate compared to any other race ;)

Genedin
04-23-2013, 05:00 PM
I only did it for the helm.
I bought a fine plate helm even though it has no stats... mainly because im poor but also because awesomeness.

Clark
04-24-2013, 02:50 AM
Jade Mace or a Smoldering Brand

that or wraith bone hammer if you can't afford those

letsallkillandy
04-24-2013, 12:48 PM
Hide will still be useful after the patch, with IVU up you can still cover both, right?...and DE clerics look twice as awesome in plate compared to any other race ;)

Not when velious armor hits... /cringe

Swish
04-24-2013, 06:13 PM
Not when velious armor hits... /cringe

Good point! No rush for Velious folks ;)

HeallunRumblebelly
04-24-2013, 06:23 PM
I'd imagine someone would have a spare poison wind censer. They're just terrible 50+ but you're done meleeing by then anyway eh?

HeallunRumblebelly
04-24-2013, 07:20 PM
Not when velious armor hits... /cringe

And halflers have hide and sneak!