Please everyone on R99, take a second to look and vote, thanks.

[Sirken]

its very simple, if u came to R99 with out a guild, and without any friends, Which of these race/class combos would be the hardest to play/level

Number 1: Anything Rogue
Number 2: DE Warrior
Number 3: Erudite Paladin


please vote!

and thank you very much!



ps- i wont be counting through posts so please make sure you actually vote

[gloinz]

erudite paladin

[Knightt]

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[Elderan]

Sorry but all of these are bad choices

Anything Rogue (will find groups that want then for dps and pick lock)
Darkelf Warrior (will find groups who need tanks)
Erudite Paladin (will find groups who need tanks)

Anything/Ranger (Will not find groups ever, they offer nothing really AND have exp penalty)

[Tippett]

I soloed my ranger to 46 in 4 days /played (Good soloer)

It took my warrior 11 days /played to 45 back in the day (Cannot solo)

(btw groups are damn near non existant + solo exp is better then group exp)

Not sure if srs or.......

[Dacuk]

whats the purpose of this poll out of curiosity?

[tehruoh]

i chose de warrior.

it was hard enough for me as an ogre when i started fresh on server launch, the swamps were very unforgiving.

So i could just imagine how hard it would be for a puny little dark elf.

Ill never forget my 1 croc spawn i solod until it was green, and then i couldnt solo anything else.


ahh the memories.

[Faerie Blossom]

I'm surprised paladin has received so many votes.

[magician]

is this a troll

[Jenni D]

Noobs keep on saying ranger.
So easy to solo up to 50

[KabanazyTZ]

I dont understand how a warrior can have a harder time leveling than a rogue. Unless the rogue finds a steady influx of caster mobs who hit like little bitches, the warrior is going to have an easier time a) finding a group or b) soloing.

[Tenlaar]

The rogue can augment his solo ability somewhat with poisons, snare procs, and instill doubt.

The warrior, not so much.

[Tippett]

there is even snare proc daggers for rogues to fear with

this thread is distinguishing the noobs from vets for sure

and yes tynee wars have a way easier time finding these "groups" then rogues pfft

[Telron]

This is really hard to judge for me. Do warriors have the ability to solo past 30? or is it just slower. We cant forget warriors get an XP boost so if they can get some help they can level quicker compared to a paladin even though he can solo light blues at a 40% penalty in xp. Just my thoughts.

[Sirken]

This is really hard to judge for me. Do warriors have the ability to solo past 30? or is it just slower. We cant forget warriors get an XP boost so if they can get some help they can level quicker compared to a paladin even though he can solo light blues at a 40% penalty in xp. Just my thoughts.

if they have no pals and no guildies, i suspect they arent getting that help you mentioned

[Telron]

I would say anyone past 30 is going to get at least a little help. Or they are being extremely anti social : ) I would say my kicker is weather or not a war can solo at all. If that's the case, then yes War = hardest lol. But if with some gheto swords they can solo at least some, then i don't think Rangers, Pals, SKs are leaps n bounds ahead. They just have less med time but with a end result of XP that is near the same.

That said. Any of those compared to a caster = game over without light twinking. Unfortunately... until we foster grouping that is!

[gloinz]

I would say anyone past 30 is going to get at least a little help. Or they are being extremely anti social : ) I would say my kicker is weather or not a war can solo at all. If that's the case, then yes War = hardest lol. But if with some gheto swords they can solo at least some, then i don't think Rangers, Pals, SKs are leaps n bounds ahead. They just have less med time but with a end result of XP that is near the same.

That said. Any of those compared to a caster = game over without light twinking. Unfortunately... until we foster grouping that is!

[Grumpurt the Terrible]

Looks like the GMs are putting in time where it is necessary, making polls about some arbitrary race class combo.

And they wonder why no one respects them...

[Elderan]

This isn't a topic on who can solo the worst. I would say gnome warrior if that were the case.

The topic was someone coming here with no friends what would be the worst class/race combo. I am assuming at some point this person would make friends and group. So I am using their class and race to determine how fast they can get groups and friends. Sorry but a war or rogue have a MUCH better chance at some point to get groups which will equal friends.

A untwinked ranger might can solo a little better then a war but they have a MUCH worse chance of getting groups which would equal less friends down the road.

Also I was the first 60 Ranger in EQ. I think I know how to play a ranger and qualified to answer the questions based on them. Until vel when rangers get skill increases and some better areas they are just terrible. Even with that said I still loved mine.

[HippoNipple]

Warrior for sure.

I still say Iksar due to the starting location relative to where the majority of players level 1-50, faction problems once they do leave kunark, exp penalty, and lack of available gear. Another reason I like this choice, which may be irrelevant, is because in the end an iksar warrior is much more valuable than a Dark Elf warrior so it isn't just tough for no reason. In Velious Iksar Warriors are good with the new gear available.

[HippoNipple]

This isn't a topic on who can solo the worst. I would say gnome warrior if that were the case.

The topic was someone coming here with no friends what would be the worst class/race combo. I am assuming at some point this person would make friends and group. So I am using their class and race to determine how fast they can get groups and friends. Sorry but a war or rogue have a MUCH better chance at some point to get groups which will equal friends.

A untwinked ranger might can solo a little better then a war but they have a MUCH worse chance of getting groups which would equal less friends down the road.

Also I was the first 60 Ranger in EQ. I think I know how to play a ranger and qualified to answer the questions based on them. Until vel when rangers get skill increases and some better areas they are just terrible. Even with that said I still loved mine.

As a ranger you can level faster solo than if you were a warrior finding groups at a decent rate on this server. Once you are 50+ it is assumed you have made it as far as this poll is concerned.

[Elderan]

Once you are 50+ it is assumed you have made it as far as this poll is concerned.

What? So you are basically saying that once this person is 50 then you don't take the last 10 levels into the no friends equation?

The game doesn't even start until level 50. So to me 51-60 are the most important to answer the question will this person have friends/groups by then based on their class/race. If he is a ranger the answer is much less likely then a war/rogue.

[Nirgon]

Leave Kunark? For what?

[KabanazyTZ]

there is even snare proc daggers for rogues to fear with

this thread is distinguishing the noobs from vets for sure

and yes tynee wars have a way easier time finding these "groups" then rogues pfft

Im in full lustrous, 160 dex unbuffed and attempting to fear kite ice giants I proc engulfing darkness one in every 5 ice giants. I actually had a bad run on intimidation where I had to zone from light blue ice giants 4 times in a row because i didnt get a fear proc for 3 straight minutes.

Also, groups are a laughable idea on this server in all reality. Warriors solo better than rogues unless you take into account rogue poison, which seriously who's going to have enough rogue slow poison on them for an entire solo session?

[Itap]

erudite paladin

[Faerie Blossom]

It's pretty obvious that the people talking about Rogues poisons have never actually tried training Make/Apply Poison before.

You guys know farming the mats is a huge pain in the ass, right? This shit is not WoW.

I guarantee you that a new Rogue player is not going to go to Everfrost to farm Snow Orcs for that Lixt Wing Stalk or kill Kobolds in Solb to farm that Death Cap for a mediocre Poison effect.

This. I almost voted warrior, but then thought that the warrior would be able to spend all of their money on weapons/armor and the rogue would need to spend a huge amount of time/money on their poisons if they wished to be better than warriors. And rogue fear is too unreliable to make up for the vast defensive differences between the two classes.

[Barladore]

I think some of you are vastly underestmating the hybrid exp penalty, especially in hell levels and 50+.

[Swish]

Got to be warrior, no gear, no weapon to hit hard with, no method to heal themselves other than binding wounds to 50%

Starting each fight at a maximum of 50% health (unless you want insane wait time), no improved regen (troll/iksar etc)... fuck that, in the ass...

Someone's twink shows up? You're dead, don't even try and plug...

[quido]

Why are you so curious about this, Sirken?

[Twain]

Why are you so curious about this, Sirken?

Obviously to prove a point and decide if they are going to change exp mod. I'm assuming Sirken is going to play whatever is picked and level on both servers to determine if leveling on Red is easier than on Blue. We all know he will /wrists somewhere between level 10-20 on red. Especially when he gets in range of those Ragebringer twinks.

Edit

Im going to make it a point to pk every low level DE Warrior from now on!

[Nuncio]

Obviously to prove a point and decide if they are going to change exp mod. I'm assuming Sirken is going to play whatever is picked and level on both servers to determine if leveling on Red is easier than on Blue. We all know he will /wrists somewhere between level 10-20 on red. Especially when he gets in range of those Ragebringer twinks.

Edit

Im going to make it a point to pk every low level DE Warrior from now on!

Except mine, please.

[Nuncio]

I think some of you are vastly underestmating the hybrid exp penalty, especially in hell levels and 50+.

I've been leveling a ranger in half the time it's taken my warrior.
Troll SK, almost as fast as ranger, completely solo, due to pretty much zero downtime.

All of these are still low level, but I know my ranger and SK will still be able to solo long after the warrior no longer can.

I think you're wrong.

[Elderan]

Listen all I am saying is this.

If I just found R99 today and knew no one.

War
I would start soloing of course and it would be hard right off. it would get harder after level 10 as there really are no low level groups at all. After 10 I would start talking with people trying to find groups. once I am in the 20s I should be able to find the random group as wars are nice for tanking. As I find the random groups I would be friendly and play skillfully and add these people to my friends list. I would then make more friends and as I level up I would be wanted in groups as there are not a ton of tanks out there. By the time I am 50 I should have 10-15 friends for sure. This is even if I have not joined a guild which I would have by now as a war. I would use my friends/guild to get to level 60.

Summary: War harder 1-30, average 30-50, easier 50-60

Ranger
I would level solo from 1-10 for sure. It will be much easier then the war was. Then once 10 I will still solo because it is pretty easy, but slow. Once 20 things get much harder as soloing is very hard. I try to get groups and might get some since the exp penalty isnt terrible here. By my 30s soloing because extremely slow. There are not many of any groups since I fill no role and suck a large percentage of experience. By my 40s there are almost NO groups at all for the same reasons above. After 50 if I made it this far random groups are out of the question. Soloing is very hard. If I dont find a guild and force my way into some exp groups I will never level to 60.

Summary: Ranger easier 1-20, average 20-30, hard 30-50, a ton harder 50-60

[Jenni D]

Once again, lvling a ranger to 50 in the correct spots is easy. repeat, easy.

Theres this zone called mistmoore. also a spell called harmony

Theres this zone called kedge keep. Also a spell called calm animal.

50+ may be tough but by then friends/guild should have been had.
Also, Velious gives panic animal no?

moving on.

[quido]

lol that's a huge undertaking to prove a point - hopefully if that is the case he's having someone do it for him

[Elderan]

Once again, lvling a ranger to 50 in the correct spots is easy. repeat, easy.

Theres this zone called mistmoore. also a spell called harmony

Theres this zone called kedge keep. Also a spell called calm animal.

50+ may be tough but by then friends/guild should have been had.
Also, Velious gives panic animal no?

moving on.

You simply throw out the window the fact that 1-50 takes less time then 50-60. You might make it to 50 easier on the ranger. But you wont make it to 60 faster.

I cant take vel into consideration since it could be 6-12 months out for all I know.

[Twain]

lol that's a huge undertaking to prove a point - hopefully if that is the case he's having someone do it for him

Isn't that what Junior guides are for? lol

[KabanazyTZ]

Listen all I am saying is this.

If I just found R99 today and knew no one.

War
I would start soloing of course and it would be hard right off. it would get harder after level 10 as there really are no low level groups at all. After 10 I would start talking with people trying to find groups. once I am in the 20s I should be able to find the random group as wars are nice for tanking. As I find the random groups I would be friendly and play skillfully and add these people to my friends list. I would then make more friends and as I level up I would be wanted in groups as there are not a ton of tanks out there. By the time I am 50 I should have 10-15 friends for sure. This is even if I have not joined a guild which I would have by now as a war. I would use my friends/guild to get to level 60.

Summary: War harder 1-30, average 30-50, easier 50-60

Ranger
I would level solo from 1-10 for sure. It will be much easier then the war was. Then once 10 I will still solo because it is pretty easy, but slow. Once 20 things get much harder as soloing is very hard. I try to get groups and might get some since the exp penalty isnt terrible here. By my 30s soloing because extremely slow. There are not many of any groups since I fill no role and suck a large percentage of experience. By my 40s there are almost NO groups at all for the same reasons above. After 50 if I made it this far random groups are out of the question. Soloing is very hard. If I dont find a guild and force my way into some exp groups I will never level to 60.

Summary: Ranger easier 1-20, average 20-30, hard 30-50, a ton harder 50-60

Who cares about ranger? The topic is warrior/rogue. Anyone who has more issues leveling a ranger than the other 2 classes should just quit playing this game.

[KabanazyTZ]

Got to be warrior, no gear, no weapon to hit hard with, no method to heal themselves other than binding wounds to 50%

Starting each fight at a maximum of 50% health (unless you want insane wait time), no improved regen (troll/iksar etc)... fuck that, in the ass...

Someone's twink shows up? You're dead, don't even try and plug...

Rogue has the same issues, except a warrior will consistently hit harder and have more survivability.

[Elderan]

Rogue has the same issues, except a warrior will consistently hit harder and have more survivability.

Jesus man,

You keep thinking SOLO. This is a group game. If you are melee and don't plan to group might as well quit now.

I KNOW groups are hard to find here. But they CAN be found.

[heals4reals]

Grimtoad and Tippett have <10 days played at lvl 50 ranger.

Ranger can snare bow harmony single pull and shitty heal and sow/invis.

Warrior can't single, can't solo as much cus risk of fleeing mobs and can only bind to 50% w no run speed. Plus evil faction means Faydwer less forgiving.

Elderan trolling or..?

[SamwiseRed]

Jesus man,

You keep thinking SOLO. This is a group game. If you are melee and don't plan to group might as well quit now.

I KNOW groups are hard to find here. But they CAN be found.

yea if you are willing to wait for hours and i dont mean a couple. i ended up leveling my naked cleric past my warrior because there were never any healers on. every once in a blue moon a dedicated cleric will level on the server. the last one i recall was Eerb. him and balbanes have constant groupage for a week or so until they hit 51+. pretty much if you see a cleric LFG, you better suck is wiener and make a plan to log on the same time as him.

it doesnt help that most clerics solo to 50 because its faster xp :/

also you need to take hybrids out of the discussion. i remember bob and soril leveled their rangers to 50 before the xp bonus solo. they did it in decent time as well. oh this was in classic too (a lot less soloing options)

[Salem Orchid]

Rogue easier to level solo then a warrior for sure. INtimidate just helps so much through the 20's-40's, and if you are fighting giants why bother snaring them? They are incredibly easy to hit unsnared due to the giant hit box's.

[SamwiseRed]

if rogues didnt have intim, i would have definitely said them over warriors.

[KabanazyTZ]

Jesus man,

You keep thinking SOLO. This is a group game. If you are melee and don't plan to group might as well quit now.

I KNOW groups are hard to find here. But they CAN be found.

When I was leveling up there were not any groups readily available under level 40 besides unrest. I'm not sure where all these groups are hanging out but they weren't advertising in my day...and if you're starting a server by yourself you're going to be less likely to find these groups just like I was when i started.

[KabanazyTZ]

Rogue easier to level solo then a warrior for sure. INtimidate just helps so much through the 20's-40's, and if you are fighting giants why bother snaring them? They are incredibly easy to hit unsnared due to the giant hit box's.

I was using giants as an example of how little the snare dagger procs, people are trying to justify rogue soloing because of it.

[KabanazyTZ]

intimidate first hope for proc later obvi

I don't know how it is in the mid levlels on this box...but on light blue mobs at 59 with max intimidate I get a fear proc maybe once every 10 tries.

[Swyft]

I gotta go with DE warrior, atleast a rogue anything could buy a serrated bone dirk and use intimidate to fear kite/backstab. A warrior is just screwed.

Yea I know it's a very crappy way to lvl a rogue but it's better than trying to tank and spank with a no gear warrior.

[Galacticus]

I still think iksar war will be harder then a dark elf warrior.

Cant leave kunark with no invis or ports.
Cant train anywhere but kunark.
Only can group with other iksars who also have penalty to add to yours.
Lack of plate means shit tanking and gear options.
Kos outside of kunark areas.
Barely anyone levels a iksar unless its twinked and in that case dont want you leeching their xp.
Only healing class to group with is a shaman.
No one rolls iksar anything but monk who is as fucked as you , sk which will further add xp penalty or necro which they solo without you.
Only other iksars ever come to cabilis usually so very few help or hand outs or buffs.

Dark elf is in a good spot, can train easily, lots of leveling spots all over, more people in that old world area. Dark elf has hide which is essential for evil races and can wear not only medium but also small bronze armor.

Dark elf is also closer to all the high end ZEM zones which there are very few in kunark.
Dark elf is close to guk and befallen and highpass, all great leveling areas.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Rogue hardest class to lvl. Please make exp bonus for all rogues 200% bigger. Thanks Sirkdog.

[KabanazyTZ]

I gotta go with DE warrior, atleast a rogue anything could buy a serrated bone dirk and use intimidate to fear kite/backstab. A warrior is just screwed.

Yea I know it's a very crappy way to lvl a rogue but it's better than trying to tank and spank with a no gear warrior.

Can someone answer me about intimidation procs between 20-40? Is there a tremendously increased rate of it going off in this range?

Also I've already stated that serrated bone dirk proc is not classic, I can't get procs from that thing to save my life (and sometimes it's needed in groups).

[heals4reals]

I still think iksar war will be harder then a dark elf warrior.

Cant leave kunark with no invis or ports.
Cant train anywhere but kunark.
Only can group with other iksars who also have penalty to add to yours.
Lack of plate means shit tanking and gear options.
Kos outside of kunark areas.
Barely anyone levels a iksar unless its twinked and in that case dont want you leeching their xp.
Only healing class to group with is a shaman.
No one rolls iksar anything but monk who is as fucked as you , sk which will further add xp penalty or necro which they solo without you.
Only other iksars ever come to cabilis usually so very few help or hand outs or buffs.

Dark elf is in a good spot, can train easily, lots of leveling spots all over, more people in that old world area. Dark elf has hide which is essential for evil races and can wear not only medium but also small bronze armor.

Dark elf is also closer to all the high end ZEM zones which there are very few in kunark.
Dark elf is close to guk and befallen and highpass, all great leveling areas.

Fob kurns etc are actually good exp and the regen forage ac bump makes soloing and being away from vendors a little easier.

[Edame]

Can someone answer me about intimidation procs between 20-40? Is there a tremendously increased rate of it going off in this range?

I soloed my Rogue on Blue server to the mid 40s. Intimidation hits a sweet spot in the mid level 30s to early 40s range if your Intimidate skill is capped. I was getting successful fears on 40-60% of casts, allowing me to solo Yetis in Dreadlands to my 40s with ease.

[SamwiseRed]

dont take this as anything other than an educated guess but IIRC its like 100 dex = 1 proc per min, 200 dex = 2 proc per min. just a case of bad RNG if you arent getting it to proc once per mob (assuming fight is longer than 1 min.) see if DEXing out helps.

[Itap]

30's-40's is the best level range for intimidate. Ive seen many rogues soloing/duoing at the giant fort in FM fear kiting.

[KabanazyTZ]

dont take this as anything other than an educated guess but IIRC its like 100 dex = 1 proc per min, 200 dex = 2 proc per min. just a case of bad RNG if you arent getting it to proc once per mob (assuming fight is longer than 1 min.) see if DEXing out helps.

Not the formula in the slightest, every weapon has its own proc rate. However if this were the case at 165 unbuffed dex i'd be getting 1.65 procs per minute which would be fucking fantastic. However 5 ice giants which took about 3 minutes a piece, 1 proc in 15 minutes. And thats average if you take into account groups I have in seb, chardok etc.

[SamwiseRed]

ye thats probly some bullshit i remember from live that was made up (like AGI helping dodge) my bad brew

u sure its different proc rate for each weapon? i was just messing around on live, took all my gear off xept weapon that had a proc. barely proced. i put my gear back on so my dex was 300 and it was procing close to 3 times a min (prob more)

[KabanazyTZ]

ya for example, cleric proc hammer has a proc per 6 second average, whereas the tstaff has a proc per minute average. On here it feels like the skean procs once per 3-4 minutes with 165 dex which is still really nice for what it is.

EDIT: the proc hammer and tstaff were also both live stats. SBD on live if i remember correctly was on par with tstaff, but on here it procs less than my skean.

[SamwiseRed]

neat i did not know that, id be interested to see a list of popular proc weapons and their rates.

[KabanazyTZ]

Allakhazam used to have the exact proc stats listed, i think you might have to be subscribed to see them now or something. I'd also like to know if they're using a different proc system here so i could adjust accordingly :D

[Nuncio]

For those of you still thinking warriors are not the hardest for a new player on R99.

Even with friends, my XP time looks something like this:
70% solo
20% duo, often without a partner whos class compliments mine
10% group of 3 or more

With that in mind, see the list below of important XPing tools in 90% of most peoples time on red99.

(edit: really, split for paladin is 15 via lull, assuming it lands.)

[Slytherin]

Not the formula in the slightest, every weapon has its own proc rate. However if this were the case at 165 unbuffed dex i'd be getting 1.65 procs per minute which would be fucking fantastic. However 5 ice giants which took about 3 minutes a piece, 1 proc in 15 minutes. And thats average if you take into account groups I have in seb, chardok etc.

This has been answered definitively by a Dev:

Since our dex cap is 255, main hand proc rate scales from 0.5PPM @ 0 DEX -> 2.0PPM @ 255 DEX.

It is true that each weapon has a field for "proc rate modifier" however most every weapon in the game has a 100% modifier, i.e. it follows the above pattern. There are few exceptions and they can be identified via lucy.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

tstaff procs way more than other weapons

shit's stupid

[Galacticus]

Fob kurns etc are actually good exp and the regen forage ac bump makes soloing and being away from vendors a little easier.

Fob kurns only lasts till 25 and your going to die trying to solo shaman and sk mobs. Regen so minimal until 50+ and ac bump is a joke it doesnt make up for the AC you get from plate. Forage helps with food and water, but selling items for money and then banking it so you could somehow aford new gear and progress is impossible unless in kunark.