Dictate works on any level

[heartbrand]

You're able to Dictate red con mobs @ level 60 currently, isn't this supposed to be capped @ 58? People are abusing this on Blue to kill Stanos.

[Metallikus]

don't forget how much abuse happens in sky with sirran the lunatic (lvl 65)

[heartbrand]

sirran is 55 that isn't the issue, it's that he should supposedly be flagged uncharmable

[Handull]

not disagreeing about sirran being uncharmable, but from loraen's other post is looks like nothing should be "flagged un-xyz-able" until much later.

but yeah that seems like a huge bug, nice report.

[Metallikus]

sirran is 55 that isn't the issue, it's that he should supposedly be flagged uncharmable

ZAM has sirran listed as lvl 65. When did sirran go and get 10 levels in a patch?

[Lazortag]

ZAM has sirran listed as lvl 65. When did sirran go and get 10 levels in a patch?

Sirran is definitely not level 65 on p99 (just con him), but on the old everlore archives it shows him as being level "60/63". I only briefly skimmed over the comments but it was weird to me that no one said anything about his level. On the castersrealm archives, it says Sirran is 55: http://web.archive.org/web/20010622020857/http://eq.castersrealm.com/data/monsters.asp?Action=ListByZone&SubAction=ShowAll&ZoneId=51

So which is correct?

[Nirgon]

You're able to Dictate red con mobs @ level 60 currently, isn't this supposed to be capped @ 58? People are abusing this on Blue to kill Stanos.

Please provide list of mobs of which you are aware

[heartbrand]

Please provide list of mobs of which you are aware

You can dictate any mob in the game currently that isn't flagged uncharmable. You have to deal with normal MR resists on higher level mobs (dictate isn't "unresistable" just huge -MR mod) but level plays no role.

[Nirgon]

Try to dictate Sirran on EQMac, and case closed.

[Splorf22]

http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm

states that Sirran should be charmable. Just defending our devs here because I think it is classic. I just think its such a huge balance issue that it should not be in regardless; you can basically kill the bee queen with 1 enchanter, 1-2 riposte monks, and 1-2 dt whores, and this is a mob that is unclassically as hard as the avatar of war dps wise.

Anyway for whatever reason nilbog seems to avoid these charm immunity/plane of sky balance threads like the plague so I don't anticipate anything happening here.

[Metallikus]

quotes from Loraen's link:

"Dictate (Up to Level 58) - *48 Seconds on the Soapbox remaining before the rotten tomatoes incoming*
Casting Time: 2.4 Seconds
Duration: 48 Seconds Fixed"

"Many Enchanters wonder about the why the fixed duration Dictate spell was even added. While the situations for its use are very limited, there are a few places this spell can be useful. The most noteworthy is Kael. The high level giants (55+) there are immune to all forms of Mez, but are still flagged as charmable. Dictate can be used in this situation as a 48 second crowd control spell. However, this spell outlived its usefulness back during Scars of Velious, and with the addition of the newer high level charms it has gone the way of the Dodo bird. Though, “Frozen Moses” and Sirran the Lunatic owned many a mob for the resourceful and daring back in the days of Velious. Ahhhh the memories of solo farming Shields' of the Void! But I digress, back to the guide. /wave Salidor"

"The Charm Line
In the high level zones, the PoP spell lineup (lvl 61+) given to chanters is extremely powerful for charm soloing. The key spells being Arcane Rune, Word of Morrell, and our new Charms. The selection in the lower level spells for charming are a little more limited, but still effective."

All his information is based on Planes of Power time line, not classic, so not sure about it being relevant here (except that sirran was supposedly charmable during velious).

[Nirgon]

Sirran was bard charmed. Why don't any of the other guides I linked say "dictate" or "charm" Sirran? And they say to dictate/charm the other NPCs up there? Hm?


http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/bard_charm.php


All it took was a few gods getting charmed by bards for the nerf hammer to come down, and bard charm was changed to cap at 51. 51 was definitely the best cap pre-kunark, because so many encounters were designed assuming that cap existed. Having a higher cap made some of the toughest encounters at the time (PoS, etc.) easy.

[heartbrand]

GOD DAMN IT THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT FUCKING SIRRAN THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT DICTATE NOT HAVING A LEVEL REQUIREMENT WHEN I BELIEVE IT SHOULD

[Splorf22]

Nirgon what does your spell database say about dictate?

P.S. I just posted a guide that says sirran was charmable. If you choose to ignore it thats up to you, but don't think the rest of us are idiots. I want it nerfed for balance reasons, not because it wasn't classic.

[heartbrand]

Hi, this is the Sirran thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82333&highlight=sirran

this is the thread about dictate working on mobs above level 58

[Nirgon]

It was 58, cool your jets turbo

[Splorf22]

It was 58, cool your jets turbo

is this from your spell database?

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

sirran should NOT be charmable

case closed

[kanras]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010725175403/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=171

This charm spell has a cap of level 58. Level 59 and higher targets cannot be charmed with this spell.

Allure has a level cap of 50. Dictate has a level cap of 58. Anything above level 50, especially something level 58, can deal a ton more damage in the 48 seconds than almost any level 50 creature can deal in a few minutes.

Capped at 58, pending update.

[Splorf22]

That same guy also thinks Allure has a level cap of 50.

Also at some point Dictate was changed to 48 seconds (from 30). When was that?

[-Catherin-]

make it actually last 48 seconds while you are at it then. since the proof we are using to change the level cap also shows it as lasting 48 seconds

[kanras]

Dictate will last 48 seconds, pending update.

[Treats]

Make this resistable also.

Should not work on anything immune to MR.

[Sun Jul 14 12:24:28 2002] Kilashandra tells the group, 'Sending in pet to assist with Phinigel Autropos'
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:29 2002] Kilashandra tells the group, 'Knock 'em dead, Sweetheart!'
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:30 2002] Vladimirski has been struck by the wrath of the gods.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:30 2002] You begin casting Dictate.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:30 2002] You shout, 'Attempting to CHARM ~~~ a swirlspine seahorse ~~~ wake my Vicar...'
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:32 2002] Vladimirski is bathed in a divine light.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:33 2002] Solarianne feels very dispelled.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:34 2002] Ennya shouts, 'EROLLISI MARR, HEAR MY CALL'
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:35 2002] Ennya begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:35 2002] Your target resisted the Dictate spell.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:38 2002] Ennya's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:39 2002] Kilashandra begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:41 2002] You begin casting Rapture.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:41 2002] Solarianne's skin is rent by massive shards of deadly ice.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:43 2002] Vladimirski feels very dispelled.
[Sun Jul 14 12:24:43 2002] Your target resisted the Rapture spell.

http://malaehi.freewebspace.com/whats_new.html

[-Catherin-]

[Sun Jul 14 12:24:28 2002]


:p

[Treats]

[Sun Jul 14 12:24:28 2002]


:p

This log was before resist changes.

What do you think they did to disable Dictate being used on Sirran on Live?

They did not raise his level out of Dictate range.

They did not have specific flags to prevent it (This is prior to resist system revamp).

The only way would have been to raise his Magic Resistance, I don't know what else they could have done.

[Splorf22]

So basically it seems that in EQ when an irresistible force meets an immovable object, the force loses, i.e. MR immune mobs are immune to 'unresistable' spells.

[Treats]

Dictate isn't unresistable, its flagged MR.

Dictate
Attempting to charm (16)


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Classes: Enc (L60)

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Range to Target: 200 feet

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Skill: Alteration
Allowable Targets: All

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Resistance Check: Magic

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Mana Required: 750
Spell Duration: 8 ticks (48 seconds)
Duration Formula: 10
Casting Time: 5.0 seconds
Spell Recovery: 2.25 seconds
Recast Delay: 300.0 seconds

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Spell cast on you: You have been charmed.
Spell fades: You are no longer charmed.

[koros]

Am I remembering wrong or was tash not "mr check" with a -1000 mod?

[Treats]

Tash line has no resist check:

Tashanian
Adding 1 Poison counters
Decrease Magic Resist from 37 (L57) to 39 (L60)


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Classes: Enc (L57)

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Range to Target: 200 feet

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Skill: Abjuration
Allowable Targets: All

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Resistance Check: None

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Mana Required: 40
Spell Duration: Unknown
Duration Formula: 9
Casting Time: 1.0 seconds
Spell Recovery: 2.25 seconds

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Spell cast on you: You hear the barking of Tashania.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso glances nervously about.
Spell fades: The barking fades.

[Lazortag]

edit: nvm

[heartbrand]

wut? u cant charm players

[Lazortag]

wut? u cant charm players

I was thinking of Rapture. I must be losing it.