three servers

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Unless you want this become a mono-culture, with one thread of drama, I ighly recommend we duplicate the servers (minus gear + plat + auto delete after 2 weeks) twice.

This drama is caused by a mono culture. multiply the cultures.

how to populate more than one server? why not try to implement that?



one server = terminal VERY limited value.

[Swish]

how to depopulate multiple servers? This crap turns up on the forum every year, and then the summer hits.... population drops to 350-400, and then you've got 3 servers with ~150 each on them.

Think these ideas through to reality, think of the big picture.

[Swish]

You don't escape certain inevitabilities with a new server.

There'll always be inflation, there'll always be raiding guilds like TMO, and there will always be twinks, scammers and zones where you can't group because people are PL'ing.

All you're "buying" by making a fresh start is the time before all that happens again...and helping to split the population in half in the process.

[Tecmos Deception]

How do you people not understand that a fresh server will only level the playing field for about 24 hours? The people who are "monopolizing" things right now will be back to max level and rolling in manastones, guises, and all the raid loot imaginable while you and the other people who wanted a server restart are still fighting over xp mobs at the fucking orc highway.

[Haystacks]

Nope

[fugazi]

A new server with Kunark+Classic straight out of the gate sounds awesome though. I loved to play on new servers as they came out back in the day. The experience when everyone is still leveling up, one guy is getting rich by selling langseaxes and one guy asking for donations so he can level up his smithing and in turn give you better prices on your first banded set ..

.. oh, and people getting into flame wars over gnoll spawns at Blackburrow. THAT IS MY FANG U BITCH. I'm totally up for a new server where everyone starts fresh.

[webrunner5]

How do you people not understand that a fresh server will only level the playing field for about 24 hours? The people who are "monopolizing" things right now will be back to max level and rolling in manastones, guises, and all the raid loot imaginable while you and the other people who wanted a server restart are still fighting over xp mobs at the fucking orc highway.

This is a VERY smart person. Listen to what he said above. All you need to know.

[bluejam]

Worst idea by far.

[Tippett]

everyone who is saying its dum has a ton of time/shit invested here already

ignore them, this server is beyond mudflation a fresh roll would be great

[Danth]

I feel that a fresh server wouldn't have so strong an effect effect as its proponents expect. As such I don't particularly support such a motion. That being said, it would have *some* benefit simply because the dupes that damaged the P1999 economy early on wouldn't happen on a new server.

Now's the wrong time, regardless. This sort of thing would make more sense after Velious has been out for awhile.

Danth

[Autotune]

everyone who is saying its dum has a ton of time/shit invested here already

ignore them, this server is beyond mudflation a fresh roll would be great

Please make another server where people from the top guilds (from both of the other servers) can reroll and lock down all the legacy items so they can sell them for plat on their main server.

[fishingme]

How do you people not understand that a fresh server will only level the playing field for about 24 hours? The people who are "monopolizing" things right now will be back to max level and rolling in manastones, guises, and all the raid loot imaginable while you and the other people who wanted a server restart are still fighting over xp mobs at the fucking orc highway.

I believe with the coming of a new server that there would be new and harsher rules against certain things that makes the current blue server not live up to it's full potential

[Atennu]

I believe with the coming of a new server that there would be new and harsher rules against certain things that makes the current blue server not live up to it's full potential

Full...Blown....Retard. GM's aren't going to make a new server, and then make up a bunch of harsher rules. You think they want to deal with petitions on two separate servers? Please, get a fucking clue.

[fishingme]

Full...Blown....Retard. GM's aren't going to make a new server, and then make up a bunch of harsher rules. You think they want to deal with petitions on two separate servers? Please, get a fucking clue.

It's not difficult to obtain more volunteer GMs, I'm sure more than a few people are willing to do it. You seem way too hostile to something that wouldn't even happen in the first place though dude. It's a game just fyi.

[Atennu]

Yeah and those volunteer GMs will be players themselves, get into the top end guilds and even more RNF shit will follow up "GM Name001 killed Raid target." Must be corrupt, unfair and have spawn locations/timers.

For someone who's been on these forums since April of 2010 you act like these things werent ever said when devs were in guilds.

[fishingme]

Yeah and those volunteer GMs will be players themselves, get into the top end guilds and even more RNF shit will follow up "GM Name001 killed Raid target." Must be corrupt, unfair and have spawn locations/timers.

For someone who's been on these forums since April of 2010 you act like these things werent ever said when devs were in guilds.

True, but it would in essence be a server for the casual raider not the hardcore raider like with the whole endgame poopsocking. But lets be honest here, blame the person picking the GMs. Not the idea of the server. Trust me though dude, it would have a damn good chance of working if there was another higher-up council of GMs that not only helped with petitions, but also served as more or less "supervisors" of the other GMs.

[fishingme]

I mean, as is there's plenty of changes that could be made on this server to help even out endgame raiding and make it more classic. Personally, I can see an end to selling accounts so no one guild would be able to buy raid ready alts and just planting them on/near targets while not playing those chars until a mob spawns. Quite frankly also a removal of RNF wouldn't be that terrible of an idea. But I mean, it would be a more casual playing server. There's many people who are casual players who don't want to play with the hardcore poopsocking raiders, but they would still like to see content. I can imagine the environment on a server like that would help a lot with the stress of the volunteer staff, I don't know how many petitions the GMs get about guilds crying about loot/FTe/whatever. But I mean, a reduction of that to a more laid back player base why the hell not try it

[webrunner5]

Maybe Nilbog can chime in on this, but can you imagine how may legit and pissy ass petitions a day or a month they get on here. Let alone with Red already. So I am sure they would be hot to trot to do that on 2 or 3 more servers. That ain't going to happen.

And in 5 days a NEW TMO or whoever guild would OWN the new server. Same old crap. People in top end guilds know every trick in the book both legal and unlegal to get loot and level fast as hell. So you would be in Freeport with a F'ing Orc Pick killing a skelly and they would be in KC looting a T Staff. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Atennu]

People don't even understand the amount of BITCHING that went on in the early days. Legacy camps with items that are no longer going to drop will be owned by the quickest levelers on this server, and his guild. They will pass that camp off day in and day out to other guild members. It happened here, it will happen again. Raid content will be monopolized within a matter of 2 weeks. The only good thing about a new server would be how many items are on it, the amount of plat that was duped here would be 100% gone, and bugged camps that offered more plat than was classic would be removed. (6 min repop guards in oggok dropping double fine steel weapons and coin is just one example)

[fishingme]

Well, you guys gotta realize that in a way p99 has basically been a beta with patch updates to fix bugs like duping. So a new server released with what's all ready been done will help with the duping. It would pretty much be an experimental server where rules can be thought out to alleviate the endgame cluster fcuk. Also, friggin guild number caps man, there needs to be a cap on how many individual players can be in a guild, so that no one guild has a 1/4th of server population in it.

[Danth]

Maybe Nilbog can chime in on this, but can you imagine how may legit and pissy ass petitions a day or a month they get on here.

You can gain some idea of this by looking at the number of threads in the petition forum. That forum has significantly more threads than this one. That doesn't even account for in-game petitions which probably outnumber forum petitions.

Danth

[Nuggie]

Maybe Nilbog can chime in on this, but can you imagine how may legit and pissy ass petitions a day or a month they get on here. Let alone with Red already. So I am sure they would be hot to trot to do that on 2 or 3 more servers. That ain't going to happen.

And in 5 days a NEW TMO or whoever guild would OWN the new server. Same old crap. People in top end guilds know every trick in the book both legal and unlegal to get loot and level fast as hell. So you would be in Freeport with a F'ing Orc Pick killing a skelly and they would be in KC looting a T Staff. Sounds like a good idea to me.

I think Nilbog has chimed in on this. many, many times. answer is always no.

besides, I'd rather they concentrate their efforts on the Velious.

/drool

[Swish]

besides, I'd rather they concentrate their efforts on the Velious.

/drool

No rush :p

[Kevynne]

Please make another server where people from the top guilds (from both of the other servers) can reroll and lock down all the legacy items so they can sell them for plat on their main server.

yes, and let them make sure they can control all epic mobs and sell them for 23895619026012k and rmt.

[Kevynne]

inb4 inc ban for mentioning rmt.

[baramur]

New server, take away ability to mq epics, make all raid mob loot nodrop, ban anyone who sells loot rights.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If I could add, the point would be consumer choice. If it were possible, to eventually then move characters for free, the game can sort itself out better. I doubt the cultures would be identical. Not enough people want to do what TMO does: cycle through endless rosters of people punching their loot tickets. Another server would perhaps develop a different high end game. But that is why I said three. Sure, the same players will try to take over a second server. But a third? And how many guilds would, in fact, basically mass-migrate away from the current high end clusterfuck as it exists now?

It is not a stupid idea. It would be a stupid idea if this were 2001. But it would be funny to see how fun it is monopolizing an empty server.

Right now, we are locked into a certain (and boring) kind of endgame eq experience because of the fact there is one server, not because of gm's. The server has so many people invested in a certain way of running the way guilds work, etc.

The only way to not have this basic system continue onward to infinity, is multiple servers. Where players can vote with their feet.

Come on, it's just a couple of dual pentiums, and badabing, eq server. Right?

[Tecmos Deception]

I personally won't be happy until each one of us has our own personal p99 server with the exact features that each of us want.

[tommydgun]

personally i dont necessarily think its a good idea to make another server because the overall demand for classic eq isnt high enough to support another server with a healthy population (800+ prime time players).

however, if there was going to be a new server i think a lot of things could be done to improve the overall experience for the majority of people by preventing certain powergamers the opportunity to ruin things for others.

for example:

1 - no MQing
2 - no selling loot rights
3 - not allowing multiple accounts for a single individual
4 - no selling accounts
5 - no selling PL services for plat (this is a tough one to manage because in my opinion buffing noobs for free doesnt count here, but someone advertising PL services for 2k/hr is something i think we could do without)
6 - no casinos

those are my top ones i would like to see... a fun thought i just had was not allowing consecutive raid named guilds by a given guild unless they were the only guild able to kill mob. meaning if you killed naggy or something for example, then if you were being contested for naggy on the next pop you had to fold. i also like the idea someone had about guild max members cap.

fun to think about, though it will never happen. personally i can still enjoy p99 but then again i havent been here even half a year yet.

[Ele]

Let's fix a critical mass of the bugs and get a proper patch timeline done before opening up a fresh server.

:)

[diplo]

classic EQ had a population 3-5x our current numbers. and by the way, back on classic, there was usually 1-2 dominating raid guilds so i say no.

[tommydgun]

classic EQ had a population 3-5x our current numbers. and by the way, back on classic, there was usually 1-2 dominating raid guilds so i say no.

debated responding to this, but i couldnt resist. this point is such an irrelevant point to these arguments. the population was more dense but content was being added at a much quicker rate. on p99 people have been sitting in the same content forever dominating it. thats the main difference. also the fact that everyone and their mom has a 50+. back on live there wasnt enough time for the same percentage of the population to get into endgame all before a new expansion came out, only the hardcore gamers, therefore there wasnt as much of a cluster at the top.

not to mention the fact that everyone knows 100% about the content before it comes out so there is no time wasted trying to figure things out. comparing anything from p99 to actual 99 is pointless.

[webrunner5]

debated responding to this, but i couldnt resist. this point is such an irrelevant point to these arguments. the population was more dense but content was being added at a much quicker rate. on p99 people have been sitting in the same content forever dominating it. thats the main difference. also the fact that everyone and their mom has a 50+. back on live there wasnt enough time for the same percentage of the population to get into endgame all before a new expansion came out, only the hardcore gamers, therefore there wasnt as much of a cluster at the top.

not to mention the fact that everyone knows 100% about the content before it comes out so there is no time wasted trying to figure things out. comparing anything from p99 to actual 99 is pointless.

You make very good points. Well said. By the time Velious comes out it will be pointless.

[porigromus]

debated responding to this, but i couldnt resist. this point is such an irrelevant point to these arguments. the population was more dense but content was being added at a much quicker rate. on p99 people have been sitting in the same content forever dominating it. thats the main difference. also the fact that everyone and their mom has a 50+. back on live there wasnt enough time for the same percentage of the population to get into endgame all before a new expansion came out, only the hardcore gamers, therefore there wasnt as much of a cluster at the top.

not to mention the fact that everyone knows 100% about the content before it comes out so there is no time wasted trying to figure things out. comparing anything from p99 to actual 99 is pointless.

Resolution to issue, characters on server expire/die/pass away after a time period. The account's new characters though can start with original characters surname and will have an experience bonus + heirloom item with a little bonus stat to whatever class they choose to make. +int +wis etc and the item will have the original characters name such as "Willy Wonka's Sword of Wonder" :D

[webrunner5]

Resolution to issue, characters on server expire/die/pass away after a time period. The account's new characters though can start with original characters surname and will have an experience bonus + heirloom item with a little bonus stat to whatever class they choose to make. +int +wis etc and the item will have the original characters name such as "Willy Wonka's Sword of Wonder" :D

Dude. I want what you are smoking. :D

[rsloans84]

Id be willing to donate a large amount for a new blue server.. Name it RP p99 green

[Lostprophets]

hmm,
I could only see this work if it did something like the following..

P99 BLUE Competition "FTE" Server
P99 BLUE ROTATION (NO Variance) Server (Letting blue players transfer to this server if they wished)

This would let people relive classic for what each remember it for...some servers had respected rotations, some had competition/racing servers...and it's clear we've got a split community on this one.

[Lyra]

"Willy Wonka's Sword of Wonder"

If we are asking for what we want....

I would like a Wonkavator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkmGb1W-9s

It can go sideways and slantways and longways and backways and squareways and frontways and any ways you can think of.

Catchy tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSyoYwGaWvw

I would play a Willy Wonka mmorpg.

[Swish]

If we are asking for what we want....

I would like a Wonkavator

It can go sideways and slantways and longways and backways and squareways and frontways and any ways you can think of.


Had to be posted :D

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[Sephyre]

Id be willing to donate a large amount for a new blue server.. Name it RP p99 green

This is actually a clever idea.

The point that you don't want to take resources away from Velious is valid, and you don't, but looking at Blue 1999 right now:

* Server was in classic longer than the original timeline
* Server has been in Kunark far past the timeline

This is no fault of the devs, they're doing an amazing job even giving us this place to play on, but it is what it is.

Mudflation is pretty crazy, and population is climbing steadily (the fact that SOE isn't opening another progression server with the anniversary will see another population bump here).

To the point where a third server becomes a viable option, as long as it doesn't draw away dev time for Velious.

I think a 'green' server (tagged RP), would be enough of a cosmetic difference to blue (which will always be seen as the top tier server), so that both populations would be sustainable.

Those that have too much invested in blue 99 would stay, while those looking for the 'brand new' experience would move across.

To be fair, the perfect time to launch said server would be with the release of Velious.

Let Blue99 have Velious enabled, with the uber guilds going crazy to conquer the expansion, then at the same time release a server (with either classic or classic+kunark) that's on the original patch release timeline.

Should fragment the playerbase enough to make sure both servers are healthy, without compromising the goals of the project.

[Kevynne]

This is actually a clever idea.

The point that you don't want to take resources away from Velious is valid, and you don't, but looking at Blue 1999 right now:

* Server was in classic longer than the original timeline
* Server has been in Kunark far past the timeline

This is no fault of the devs, they're doing an amazing job even giving us this place to play on, but it is what it is.

Mudflation is pretty crazy, and population is climbing steadily (the fact that SOE isn't opening another progression server with the anniversary will see another population bump here).

To the point where a third server becomes a viable option, as long as it doesn't draw away dev time for Velious.

I think a 'green' server (tagged RP), would be enough of a cosmetic difference to blue (which will always be seen as the top tier server), so that both populations would be sustainable.

Those that have too much invested in blue 99 would stay, while those looking for the 'brand new' experience would move across.

To be fair, the perfect time to launch said server would be with the release of Velious.

Let Blue99 have Velious enabled, with the uber guilds going crazy to conquer the expansion, then at the same time release a server (with either classic or classic+kunark) that's on the original patch release timeline.

Should fragment the playerbase enough to make sure both servers are healthy, without compromising the goals of the project.

[planeofdreams]

I would be so down for an RP flagged server, but I don't know anything about what it would do for the health of the current one.

[Clark]

Worst idea by far.

:)